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Quote:In RP situation you described before, GM deliberately provokes reaction from a player.Originally Posted by Omega_Chief
You can't exactly have a go at people for making assumptions about basic details you've neglected to mention, here's an example.
"Alright you're in a house, it's quite stuffy and warm"
"Yikes in that case I open a window"
"Aaaand now you're dead due to explosive decompression ebcause you were in a house on the moon"
In this thread I started, I asked two questions:
Anyone interested taking part in this kind of RP thread?
And should I prepare InGame NPC for InGame interaction?
I did not initiate speculation of how possible or impossible RP plot I described was. It was not a subject I expected, and I didn't initiate it. Looking back the thread I can see it was you who dragged the subject in there.
Next time, take responsibility of your own actions. Don't put blame onto somebody else.
I can name 25794 who think it's not silly at all.Quote:Originally Posted by FloatingFatMan
Name two. Hell... Name ONE even...
Log on into Facebook and ask anyone of them, how "silly" they think it is to plan to give goverment right to use children for medicine testing without telling anything to their parents.
Matti Vanhanen's second cabinet presented draft of the law 2nd november 2009.Quote:Originally Posted by Dr_Mechano
We're talking protests, riots...heck possibly even ARMED riots
Draft went into process 10th september 2010.
Now it's november 2010.
I still don't see any protests, riots. And not any armed riots.
Wrong.Quote:Originally Posted by FloatingFatMan
The proposer would be likely to end up on the wrong end of a therapist for even suggesting it!
The ministers who signed the draft are still in the goverment.
Gideon, telling how he assumes it is since 2005.Quote:Originally Posted by Gideon
Gideon, telling it how it is since 2005. -
Quote:Why should I do that? I don't know much about law-making process in United States of America.Originally Posted by Shadowe
Please provide this proof that the US government have produced a bill in the 21st Century that will allow the US government to kidnap children and perform secret experiments upon them, then.
If you look at the original post I started this thread, you can see I did not mention United States of America anywhere in the post.
Good thing about forum roleplay is that events of it can take place anywhere in the world. You can take some heroes of Paragon City away from their home-turf. That way it also keeps overall Status Quo of Paragon City, Rhode Island and the whole United States of America almost intact, without God-Modding the world the majority of players keep playing in.
You are wrong. You are very wrong. In here, there's a lot of people who think it's not silly at all.Quote:Originally Posted by FloatingFatMan
Subjective. To YOU it's not silly. To absolutely EVERYONE else, it's really really silly. -
Quote:You are only assuming this. Can you prove your words? I can prove the plot is not silly, and you are wrong assuming otherwise.Originally Posted by FloatingFatMan
Beyond the kids themsevles though, the actual plot IS silly. There's just absolutely no way whatsoever that such a "law" permitting experimentation on private citizens, against their will (let alone kids), would ever make it past the initial proposition. The proposer would be likely to end up on the wrong end of a therapist for even suggesting it!
As someone who's among the top-ten best paid Visual Designers of Finland, as someone who's been part-time teacher of animation in School of Art and Design, I can tell you I am not out of business. You should be grateful for my advice to you. Flipping out becouse of negative feedback will not help you in your career.Quote:Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
As someone who's currently working on multiple projects of their own and studying animations, I know exactly what its like to aim for perfection. But I also know that, if the audience doesnt care squat about it? Your outta business. End of.
You are only assuming this. Can you prove your words? I can prove your assumption is wrong.Quote:Originally Posted by Fanservice
For someone who's researched this thoroughly, you haven't really looked much at how a law is made.
The problem is most of you people in this thread jump into conclusions, and treat their assumptions as factual information. And demand me to make changes into a plot they don't know much about. -
I'm a perfectionist. I have multiple awards in web designing, screenwriting and roleplaying game designing. In all the fields of my interest, I create masterpieces. This is mostly because I do, whatever it is I do, I always do it properly. I do background checks, I research and I perfect whatever I do, before giving it to audience.
Now what I have prepared for RP, is something I have already spent time to research and prepare. I already said several times I am not willing to change and start everything from scratch just becouse one single person desires something completely different than I have prepared. Before I became a full-time web designer, I was one of the screenwriters of a political animation. Believe me I know politics, I know satire and I know how to create interesting plots in world of politics. The tone of this RP does not please everyone, and it is not suppose to. This is not something for everyone.
It is easy to guess that a law like described before would cause mass protests, riots and possibly even armed riots. It might or might not cause rioting. It would not unquestionably lead into rioting. If you have any facts to prove why it would be nonsensical to believe a plot of my RP happened in anywhere in the world, you are free to state those facts now.
Shadowe and Ravenswing have displayed discipline of keen perception. Given suggestions are now aknowledged. I'd like to answer Shadowe's questions but doing so I would spoil much of the RP. -
Quote:I must say your rant got some points.Originally Posted by Dr_Mechano
Yeah maybe with things like Oil, faking intelligence of WMDs but these are peoples kids we are talking about at no point would anyone hand over kids, no questions asked, to well...anybody!
Orphaned Kids, homeless kids, yeah you could probably get away with that but then you don't need a public law to have that happen and you could still have your crooked politician funnelling taxpayers money into those experiments for...whatever reason a politician would do it...through some other means but trying to pass it off as law is just ridiculous.
Also ask yourself this question, what profit would the Politician see out of it...I mean personally, Most Villains do this because homeless/Orphaned kids are a cheap and easy resource to experiment on and they're doing it solely for the sake of experimentation.
A Politician would need to be making a massive amount of money out of this in order to put not just his career but actually staying out of Jail AND the history books as a genuinely evil sonofagun plus what Pharmacutical company would be willing to have their repuation tarnished (apart from Crey) by being caught experimenting on kids?
Most companies and doctors who aren't Crey or supervillains wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot barge pole, they simply wouldn't want to risk getting caught. If it is to do with kids someone within any company (besides Crey) would eventually break and turn whistleblower on the whole scandel and it would ruin the company.
But let me ask you one question.
ONE question.
Do you think this outline is ridicilous? So ridicilous it could NOT happen, not in real world, not in Primal Earth?
"Two radiojockeys interview a doctor of medicine. The doctor tells, that current goverment has prepared a law, which gives doctors right to use children as test subjects for medicine experiments without any permission from their parents. Radiojockeys search public sources and prove the preparation of such law is true, although kept away from national news." -
Quote:http://omglol.kerrolisaa.com/1/11490.gifOriginally Posted by Omega_Chief
You do have to remember Primal Earth is not identical to the Real World.
But seriously, I'm not going to change the setting or the outline because of your desire. I think I already told you that. -
Quote:I strongly disagree with you.Originally Posted by Dr_Mechano
Yeaaah...not really keen on this myself, my character isn't True Blue hero but eh doesn't appeal to me just seems like well...kind of nonsensical.
I have strong reasons to believe you are wrong.Quote:Originally Posted by Dr_Mechano
Take a look at todays media, anything a politician says or does is looked over with massive scrutiny, the chances of actually hiding this from the public, especially the internet (god bless it!) are slim to none.
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The actual premise is kind of flawed.
It is possible for powerful politicians to pull this kind of stunt. -
Quote:You are assuming a lot. I told that I was not going to dilute the outline because purpose of this RP is to be what it is. Making it completely different only because of your desire is not what I am prepared to do.Originally Posted by Omega_Chief
As one GM to another, there's a very important tip, and that's to be flexible, take feedback.
No matter how awsome your plot may be to you, players do not want to be railroaded and will want to do thier own things.
Being as inflexible as you are right now when presented with some problems that might affect the number of people watching who want to join in isn't exactly a good sign.
I don't see any reason why you assume I would railroad players. -
Quote:By all means, vigilantes and even those villains who wish to benefit of this kind of case, are welcome. I'm not anticipating any particular reaction, I am providing a theme and setting, and I am then interested to see what kind of heroes/villains it will attract and how they will deal with the case.Originally Posted by DeviousMe
I think I might be, depening on the scope of reaction you're anticipating. I tend to respond to corrupted officals who have the law on their side with decidedly unheroic characters.
If you're looking more for the true-blue heroes who obey the law while they fight this, ala Superman, I don't think you'd like me throwing wrenches of evil and violence into your works. 
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Quote:I believe I asked two questions:Originally Posted by Omega_Chief
Wait what? You start a discussion thread, ask for our opinions, we provide our opinions and then you just brush them all aside?
Anyone interested taking part in this kind of RP thread?
And should I prepare InGame NPC for InGame interaction?
Your opinions are welcome, though. -
It is obvious you are underestimating greed, and the power of money. The theme of this RP is high-level corruption, I have already prepared outline of the story, and I see no reason to dilute it. Mass-protests? I don't think so.
The question remains:
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I am about to start an open RP thread, BUT before I do so, I would like to know how many of players would be interested to take a part of this kind of RP thread.
Theme of this RP is corruption inside goverment, and heroes efforts to fight it.
Starting point:
Two radiojockeys interview a doctor of medicine. The doctor tells, that current goverment has prepared a law, which gives doctors right to use children as test subjects for medicine experiments without any permission from their parents. Radiojockeys search public sources and prove the preparation of such law is true, although kept away from national news. Then after that broadcast, both the radiojockeys and the doctor previously interviewed, go missing.
Anyone interested taking part in this kind of RP thread?
And should I prepare InGame NPC for InGame interaction? -
I admit I made a mistake: I took the number of total victims -both dead and injured- of year 2004 Beslan School siege, and year 1999 bombings of Moscow, Buynaksk and Volgodonsk and compared those numbers to the number of dead victims of St. Johns massacre. But the exact count of victims is irrelevant, whether 100 or 1000, a terrorist attack does not automatically lead into a war.
Back to the topic.
Quote:That was exactly the question I had in my mind, along the the question of OOC reaction by players. But just like in the real life, I assume there are also a vast number of gullible people in the game world who think that human trafficers are 'good guys', because they 'help' poor people to get away from the tyranny of Praetoria (or away from Rogue Isles), and that 'we should have a special place' for those who escape the 'inhuman world', saying: 'if the laws are wrong, they should be changed'.Originally Posted by Dante
Human trafficking is a real world problem and one that Im sure happens to some degree in the CoX world as well. Im not about to pass judgement on whether its better or worse than blowing up a school, theres no doubt that both cause untold human misery. What you as a player have to ask is whether you are ready for what kind of reaction you will get IC.
Even if the streets of Paragon City were flooded by Praetorian/Rogue Isles superpowered muggers, prostitutes and beggars, you would be amazed how many people still thought human trafficing is done by good people, helping poor unfortunate people away from the tyranny of the Tyrant or Lord Recluse. Totally ignorant of the fact that it is really modern day slavery.
I am also very aware that if a newcomer villain suddenly amasses a lot of money in a short time, he becomes a potential threat. Money is power. Someone getting power at fast rate is a competitor.Quote:Originally Posted by Dante
Villains, like Heroes, come in all kinds of flavours and although its good to push the boundaries of villainy, you should be aware that some Villains may not approve of your characters actions either. Despite the anything goes nature of the Isles, some crimes are still taboo. I suspect that anyone playing a serial rapist would be met with a very hostile response from both red and blue sides, ditto if it was any crime involving children who are always emotive. (See recent events for example.) So if you want to play a character who is proud of their human trafficking operation, be prepared that it may not go down too well in the criminal fraternity either. -
Quote:I must be more clear on this point: the amount of money human trafficers make is vast. They are able to buy politicians, influence general opinion and even change the laws of a country! Look at the present day Europe: who are the people behind romanian human trafficing? They have not been caught, and there is very little you can do against them. If you give enough money to members of the European parliament, politicians of different countries and reporters, suddenly a crime isn't really illegal, after all.Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
2) Unless you try and smuggle, say, an entire country somewhere, it's believable, and should also have believable consequences. PPD attacks? Sure. Longbow? Very possible. The odd Hero? If it's sensitive to them, maybe.
With that kind of money, you are virtually untouchable. I would not consider PPD attacks belieable conseguences. Police can be bought. It has been seen in real life. I consider vigilante assaults more belieable.
Wrong. It is wrong to compare that incident to 9/11 and assume the death of 1000 would escalate into war. History proves otherwise. Death of 1000 in a terrorist act does not automatically lead into war. But I see your point from roleplaying aspect: arranging belieable consequences would have been too difficult.Quote:Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
The reason the 1000 dead school children was blown out of the water was because of the huge implications it would have simply had to have had in character. Namely, outright war, mobilisation of the US army (9/11 only had 1k worth more casualties, and children are always a sensetive topic) and the obliteration of an entire SG pretty much without question, because there would be no other way around it without utterly, utterly godmoding both the game world and Heroes characters. -
I noted that the death of 1000 is too much for union roleplayers in general. Now I am uncertain if it is okay to roleplay a villain doing crime of similar level. I must ask: is it ok to roleplay a human trafficer in Union roleplay community?
At the moment human trafficing in real world Europe is a big problem. Not only because its ruthless nature, but also because the criminals organizing it get rich very fast, and that way are able to bribe politicians and reporters fairly easily. Bringing a real, topical problem into imaginary game world could be of bad taste. What do you think? Is it ok, or is it better drop the idea? -
Global Name: @Jaijot
Server: Union
City of Heroes/City of Villains
RP Characters
Sochi - hero. A russian witch for hire.
Balye Drakon - villain. A romanian human trafficer vampire, starting a new enterprise in Rogue Isles.
The Automator - villain. A gold-digger newcomer gangsta with a masterplan.
Type of RP: Forum RP, ingame RP, SG RP.
Can be contacted: In game email