wow where do i start with this...
LOL,i knew that when i was there something was terribly wrong.ok just tell me what are some of the thing tanker and brutes have for pvp.
well first of all these are definately PvE builds. What you need to look for in PvP is +hp,+recharge and some +dmg and +recov. With DR slamming defense sosososo bad it is not good to build for +def because all of you work will be for nothing once DR hits it. You also had no escape power, which will help you in not dying so much.
I do not have a WP tank or brute, just a WP stalker but here is a build I made for the tanker, sorry didn't have time to do one for the brute(have to take my 10yr old trick-or-treating) but you can see the differences between your PvE build and a PvP build.
There are many people that can/will be able to tweak this for ya(just don't listen if it is dahjee,galactor or sbane) but here ya go:
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tank i19: Level 50 Mutation Tanker
Primary Power Set: Willpower
Secondary Power Set: Stone Melee
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Concealment
Power Pool: Leadership
Ancillary Pool: Energy Mastery
Hero Profile:
Level 1: High Pain Tolerance -- Numna-Heal/Rchg(A), Numna-Heal(3), Numna-Heal/EndRdx(5)
Level 1: Stone Fist -- Hectmb-Dam%(A), Hectmb-Dmg(7), Hectmb-Acc/Rchg(9), Hectmb-Dmg/Rchg(17), Hectmb-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(21)
Level 2: Fast Healing -- Numna-Heal(A), Numna-Heal/EndRdx(3), Numna-Regen/Rcvry+(5), Mrcl-Rcvry+(25)
Level 4: Stone Mallet -- ExStrk-Dam%(A), GS-%Dam(7), Mako-Dam%(13), GS-Acc/Dmg(13), GS-Acc/End/Rech(23), GS-Acc/Dmg/End/Rech(43)
Level 6: Indomitable Will -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def(46), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(48)
Level 8: Combat Jumping -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(9), LkGmblr-Def(29)
Level 10: Heavy Mallet -- GS-%Dam(A), GS-Acc/Dmg(11), GS-Acc/Dmg/End/Rech(11), GS-Acc/End/Rech(21), Mako-Dam%(40), ExStrk-Dam%(43)
Level 12: Quick Recovery -- P'Shift-EndMod(A), P'Shift-EndMod/Rchg(15), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc(15), P'Shift-End%(25), Efficacy-EndMod(34), Efficacy-EndMod/EndRdx(48)
Level 14: Mind Over Body -- GA-ResDam(A), GA-RechEnd(17), GA-Res/Rech/End(19), GA-End/Res(19), GA-3defTpProc(46)
Level 16: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(23)
Level 18: Heightened Senses -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def(34), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(34)
Level 20: Grant Invisibility -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A)
Level 22: Taunt -- Mocking-Taunt(A), Mocking-Taunt/Rchg/Rng(27), Mocking-Rchg(27), Mocking-Taunt/Rng(31), Mocking-Taunt/Rchg(37)
Level 24: Super Speed -- HO:Micro(A), HO:Micro(29)
Level 26: Maneuvers -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), Ksmt-ToHit+(42)
Level 28: Super Jump -- HO:Micro(A), HO:Micro(31)
Level 30: Stealth -- SW-ResDam/Re TP(A), SW-Def/Rchg(31), SW-Def/EndRdx(33), SW-Def(33), SW-EndRdx/Rchg(33), SW-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(40)
Level 32: Phase Shift -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 35: Hurl Boulder -- Apoc-Dam%(A), Apoc-Dmg(36), Apoc-Dmg/Rchg(36), Apoc-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(36), Apoc-Acc/Rchg(37), GJ-Dam%(37)
Level 38: Seismic Smash -- UbrkCons-Dam%(A), UbrkCons-Hold(39), UbrkCons-Acc/Hold/Rchg(39), UbrkCons-Acc/Rchg(39), UbrkCons-EndRdx/Hold(40), GladNet-Dam%(50)
Level 41: Tactics -- AdjTgt-ToHit(A), AdjTgt-ToHit/Rchg(42), AdjTgt-EndRdx/Rchg(42), AdjTgt-ToHit/EndRdx(43), AdjTgt-ToHit/EndRdx/Rchg(45), Rec'dRet-Pcptn(45)
Level 44: Build Up -- AdjTgt-ToHit(A), AdjTgt-ToHit/Rchg(45), AdjTgt-Rchg(46), AdjTgt-ToHit/EndRdx/Rchg(48), AdjTgt-ToHit/EndRdx(50)
Level 47: Strength of Will -- ResDam-I(A)
Level 49: Conserve Power -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(50)
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Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- ULeap-Stlth(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Gauntlet
Level 4: Ninja Run
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Set Bonus Totals:
- 15.5% DamageBuff(Smashing)
- 15.5% DamageBuff(Lethal)
- 15.5% DamageBuff(Fire)
- 15.5% DamageBuff(Cold)
- 15.5% DamageBuff(Energy)
- 15.5% DamageBuff(Negative)
- 15.5% DamageBuff(Toxic)
- 15.5% DamageBuff(Psionic)
- 11.75% Defense(Smashing)
- 11.75% Defense(Lethal)
- 6.125% Defense(Fire)
- 6.125% Defense(Cold)
- 3% Defense(Energy)
- 3% Defense(Negative)
- 3% Defense(Psionic)
- 7.375% Defense(Melee)
- 3% Defense(Ranged)
- 4.563% Defense(AoE)
- 8.55% Max End
- 48% Enhancement(Accuracy)
- 85% Enhancement(RechargeTime)
- 5% FlySpeed
- 351.39 HP (18.75%) HitPoints
- 5% JumpHeight
- 5% JumpSpeed
- Knockback (Mag -3)
- Knockup (Mag -3)
- MezResist(Confused) 20%
- MezResist(Held) 22.75%
- MezResist(Immobilize) 20%
- MezResist(Repel) 2000% (10% chance)
- MezResist(Sleep) 20%
- MezResist(Stun) 20%
- MezResist(Terrorized) 20%
- 20% Perception
- 20.5% (0.342 End/sec) Recovery
- 80% (6.259 HP/sec) Regeneration
- 20% ResEffect(FlySpeed)
- 20% ResEffect(RechargeTime)
- 20% ResEffect(RunSpeed)
- 3% Resistance(Smashing)
- 3% Resistance(Lethal)
- 8.04% Resistance(Fire)
- 8.04% Resistance(Cold)
- 7.41% Resistance(Energy)
- 7.41% Resistance(Negative)
- 6.15% Resistance(Toxic)
- 6.15% Resistance(Psionic)
- 5% RunSpeed
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OLD SCHOOL PvP
Rad/Psi,Psi/Em,Fire/Em,Cld/Sonic,FF/Sonic,Grav/Ta,Storm/Psi,Sp/WP,Fire/Psi,Sonic/Pain
RIP:Southern Comfort PvP,PE PvP,INTEGRITY PvP,After School Special PvP Test SG's,TPvPL Season1+2 Runner ups
thanks psyrene for helping me see that i will need more +hp recharge and all,but all those purple might set me back to much for my first build in pvp,kinda of thinking of rolling another toon to get the hang of thing that wont set me back so much.Ithink i'm going to go look at an blaster or scapper i heard an dark/sr scapper might work for an first toon not sure what to look foran blaster.will start looking over the pvp forum.
no matter what you are going to find builds that are spec'd with purps and PvP IO's, unless you say to make one with out them. A blaster build will normally have 4 glad jav procs(1 for each attack) and then 4 acc/dam glad jav's or 4 acc/dam/end/rech for a set of 2 in each ranged attack soooo hate to tell you that a good PvP build will cost you a bit of inf. And I don't know who told you dark/sr, I am pretty much sure I would never waste the time to make a /sr scrapper. Prior to the elusivity nerf they were pretty good, now though....eh.....
OLD SCHOOL PvP
Rad/Psi,Psi/Em,Fire/Em,Cld/Sonic,FF/Sonic,Grav/Ta,Storm/Psi,Sp/WP,Fire/Psi,Sonic/Pain
RIP:Southern Comfort PvP,PE PvP,INTEGRITY PvP,After School Special PvP Test SG's,TPvPL Season1+2 Runner ups
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I got u and thanks for the head up on /sr.I guess i'll be farming for drops. are there any recommended on an good toon for an beginner.....well at pvp anyway, cant take another beating like that one lol
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Originally Posted by Psyrene
no matter what you are going to find builds that are spec'd with purps and PvP IO's, unless you say to make one with out them. A blaster build will normally have 4 glad jav procs(1 for each attack) and then 4 acc/dam glad jav's or 4 acc/dam/end/rech for a set of 2 in each ranged attack soooo hate to tell you that a good PvP build will cost you a bit of inf. And I don't know who told you dark/sr, I am pretty much sure I would never waste the time to make a /sr scrapper. Prior to the elusivity nerf they were pretty good, now though....eh.....
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Don't worry about the beatings you take. Those come regardless. Instead, focus more on what you can learn from those beatings and what works. A good character to start with would be a blaster. Psi/EM and Fire/EM are both solid builds that can teach a lot of the basics of PvP through use. Starting with a melee toon can often lead to bad habits that will warp one's perception of how PvP "should be."
If you can get good on a blaster, you can learn other characters such as Doms and Corrs without too many problems.
"the reason there are so many sarcastic pvpers is we already had a better version of pvp taken away from us to appease bad players. Back then we chuckled at how bad players came here and whined. If we knew that was the actual voice devs would listen to instead of informed, educated players we probably would have been bigger dicks back then." -ConFlict
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yes daddy
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Originally Posted by Reiraku
Don't worry about the beatings you take. Those come regardless. Instead, focus more on what you can learn from those beatings and what works. A good character to start with would be a blaster. Psi/EM and Fire/EM are both solid builds that can teach a lot of the basics of PvP through use. Starting with a melee toon can often lead to bad habits that will warp one's perception of how PvP "should be."
If you can get good on a blaster, you can learn other characters such as Doms and Corrs without too many problems. |
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LOL. no. |
Originally Posted by Reiraku
Don't worry about the beatings you take. Those come regardless. Instead, focus more on what you can learn from those beatings and what works. A good character to start with would be a blaster. Psi/EM and Fire/EM are both solid builds that can teach a lot of the basics of PvP through use.
If you can get good on a blaster, you can learn other characters such as Doms and Corrs without too many problems. |
Playing a blaster will only give you a false sense of skill. You'll end up dueling and think you're good untill you get wrecked by a cold/therm corr/Defender because you haven't learned how to kite or conserve your endurance.
A blaster is a great AT to play if you don't care for actual competitive pvp.
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I agree that playing a Blaster/Corr/Dom/Fender is a really good start. They preform better on teams and thats the point of PvP. Then once you get the hang of the entire thing moving to a melee or solo friendly toon. |
Originally Posted by Reiraku
Don't worry about the beatings you take. Those come regardless. Instead, focus more on what you can learn from those beatings and what works. A good character to start with would be a blaster. Psi/EM and Fire/EM are both solid builds that can teach a lot of the basics of PvP through use. Starting with a melee toon can often lead to bad habits that will warp one's perception of how PvP "should be."
If you can get good on a blaster, you can learn other characters such as Doms and Corrs without too many problems. |
And blasters giving a "false sense of skill"???? Wow. I think scrappers will do that worse than any other AT.
*edit*
And hi Rei
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Blasters are Right behind Scrappers. Trust me, plenty of idiots on freedom that think they're good because they win matches with a psi/em. Then they get wrecked in KB matches. d;D|
Originally Posted by _Syn_
And blasters giving a "false sense of skill"???? Wow. I think scrappers will do that worse than any other AT.
*edit* And hi Rei |
Sure, Blasters are a great way to introduce you to pvp... But take a moment and consider i13 rule set concerning Mez, DR, HD and base HP.
You'll go farther in 6v6 or 8v8 with 2 doms then you will with a blaster and emp.
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umm....no that is why we usually ran 6 Psi/Em's and 2 emps or 5 Psi/Em's a rad defender and 2 emps....|
Originally Posted by Tokyo
You'll go farther in 6v6 or 8v8 with 2 doms then you will with a blaster and emp.
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It also depends on the skills of the emps. If they are not good then they will either be farmed or your teammates will be farmed. Same for the blasters, if they can not lock quickly and take down targets and evade then yeah they will get wrecked but on a team with skilled emps and blasters, nothing can really stand up to them.
The only time to run a dom is if you are running a 2 stalker 3 blaster, dom and 2 emp lineup, the dom is there to set up the stalkers.
You can also run a 4 or 5 blasters a dom and a Rad or just a Dom and 2 emps.
In actual competitive PvP we wouldn't run a 2 dom lineup, that would be stupid because of mez suppression. You only need one toon to be stunning/holding a target. (which is why a lot of those people that think their Psi Blasters are great even in a KB environment and they are not. It is because they all have the Placate Proc, Explosive Strike Proc, probably have kinetic crashes 6 slotted in Power Thurst etc and on a real Team build you would not have any of those.)
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| A blaster is a great AT to play if you don't care for actual competitive pvp. |
You should maybe competitively PvP in this game before you tell people what not to play for competitive PvP. Just sayin...
OLD SCHOOL PvP
Rad/Psi,Psi/Em,Fire/Em,Cld/Sonic,FF/Sonic,Grav/Ta,Storm/Psi,Sp/WP,Fire/Psi,Sonic/Pain
RIP:Southern Comfort PvP,PE PvP,INTEGRITY PvP,After School Special PvP Test SG's,TPvPL Season1+2 Runner ups
yikes!
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You run Psi/em with emp because every other ladder lineup has the same exact thing... I'm not really surprised that I haven't seen more rad/pain corrs taking the place of emps either.|
Originally Posted by Psyrene
umm....no that is why we usually ran 6 Psi/Em's and 2 emps or 5 Psi/Em's a rad defender and 2 emps....
It also depends on the skills of the emps. If they are not good then they will either be farmed or your teammates will be farmed. Same for the blasters, if they can not lock quickly and take down targets and evade then yeah they will get wrecked but on a team with skilled emps and blasters, nothing can really stand up to them. The only time to run a dom is if you are running a 2 stalker 3 blaster, dom and 2 emp lineup, the dom is there to set up the stalkers. You can also run a 4 or 5 blasters a dom and a Rad or just a Dom and 2 emps. In actual competitive PvP we wouldn't run a 2 dom lineup, that would be stupid because of mez suppression. You only need one toon to be stunning/holding a target. (which is why a lot of those people that think their Psi Blasters are great even in a KB environment and they are not. It is because they all have the Placate Proc, Explosive Strike Proc, probably have kinetic crashes 6 slotted in Power Thurst etc and on a real Team build you would not have any of those.) Again I don't get it. I have never seen a "competitive" Team not run any blasters. Unless you are talking about the Villian Test Ladder way back when there was one and I would be that if there were a "villian" ladder still going then the teams would run villian Psi Blasters. You should maybe competitively PvP in this game before you tell people what not to play for competitive PvP. Just sayin... |
I never said not to run blasters. 2 to 3 competent blasters is enough to spike through most heals these days thanks to DR.
Mez supression is only a problem if you have both doms mezing the same target. I'm guessing you're refering to the school of 1,2,3 spike.
ATs DO play other rolls besides spikers. Hence why the 2 mind/Energy doms were a better investment than an emp and blaster for KB.
I wasn't telling anyone what not to play for competitive PvP I was saying if he wants to get better at PvP a psi/em is probably the worst to pickup basic pvp skills with.
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| If you can get good on a blaster, you can learn other characters such as Doms and Corrs without too many problems. |
I've never been a proponent of giving someone a tricycle to learn how to ride a bike. You want to teach someone to ride a bike, put them on a bike.
P.s. do you seriously only use Doms to setup for stalkers? Are you serious?
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Power, you aren't a teabagger are you? I'm looking at that Ayn Rand quote you have there. :P
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Originally Posted by PowerFlame
yikes!
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Earth/Nrg doms, mind/nrg doms, i have seen multiple doms or sonic blasters or rad/sonic defenders it really just depends on the team. We did it a couple of times on test when Vex wanted to play his stalker. Him and FD or Rice would run their stalkers and we would have a dom or mage on his Rad/Sonic.|
Originally Posted by Tokyo
P.s. do you seriously only use Doms to setup for stalkers? Are you serious?
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If you are thinking that a rad/pain corr would be the one to do this, there again you show that you have never really competitively pvp'd in this game in an 8v8 environment because if the other team is competent at all and you are running a pain and an emp or 2 pains or whatever, that pain will be doing his job which will be buffing the team and healing the other teams target and will not have time to get locked on target, stun the target and heal the target the other team is attacking. Now if your team was just rolling the opposing team then yeah you could easily do that since your healing/buffing duty would really not be needed. The dom or whatever is like in baseball, the setup man and that is his prime duty, and disrupt other toons between spikes by spamming other holds on random targets.
and you did say this:
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| You'll go farther in 6v6 or 8v8 with 2 doms then you will with a blaster and emp. |
Totally agree that playing a blaster and playing a support toon is a different skill set. One of the most difficult toons to play use to be a sonic/sonic. You were there as a buffer for shields, a cager for disruption, and had to be on target for debuffing with sonic siphon and then back to finding the cage target and rinse and repeat.
I am not going to argue it with you, you have said many times over you do not competitively PvP in this game and never have so there are somethings you just don't understand about it...and kb's on Freedom is not competitive PvP.
OLD SCHOOL PvP
Rad/Psi,Psi/Em,Fire/Em,Cld/Sonic,FF/Sonic,Grav/Ta,Storm/Psi,Sp/WP,Fire/Psi,Sonic/Pain
RIP:Southern Comfort PvP,PE PvP,INTEGRITY PvP,After School Special PvP Test SG's,TPvPL Season1+2 Runner ups
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I don't know why I'm taking time with this, but here goes. Teams run Emp + Psi/em's because it works. If your team is coordinated and works together it will get kills. Other options have been tried, other builds have been thrown in. dUmb still had its storm team in the freedom league (but still had 2 emps and 3 Psi/EM's)|
Originally Posted by Tokyo
You run Psi/em with emp because every other ladder lineup has the same exact thing... I'm not really surprised that I haven't seen more rad/pain corrs taking the place of emps either.
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I never said not to run blasters. 2 to 3 competent blasters is enough to spike through most heals these days thanks to DR. |
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| Mez supression is only a problem if you have both doms mezing the same target. I'm guessing you're refering to the school of 1,2,3 spike. |
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| ATs DO play other rolls besides spikers. Hence why the 2 mind/Energy doms were a better investment than an emp and blaster for KB. |
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I wasn't telling anyone what not to play for competitive PvP I was saying if he wants to get better at PvP a psi/em is probably the worst to pickup basic pvp skills with. Playing a blaster competitively...you'll learn to count to 3. Playing an emp or Corr, different skill set altogether. Much more challenging as well. (And you need to challenge yourself in this game, otherwise it gets painfully boring.) And you can move the skills you've learned playing a corr or defender to a blaster. |
As someone who blasts and emps, if someone wanted to get into PvP and wanted to play offense? I'd never stick them on an emp to start. Start on a Psi/EM, then maybe progress to things like rad/psi or rad/son, some sort of dom, or a stalker.
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I've never been a proponent of giving someone a tricycle to learn how to ride a bike. You want to teach someone to ride a bike, put them on a bike. P.s. do you seriously only use Doms to setup for stalkers? Are you serious? |
In conclusion, I've never been a proponent of trying to teach someone to ride a bicycle having only ever watched others ride it myself.
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You're right Kbs aren't competitive PvP. I tend to play with my Corp' for that. |
Originally Posted by Psyrene
Earth/Nrg doms, mind/nrg doms, i have seen multiple doms or sonic blasters or rad/sonic defenders it really just depends on the team. We did it a couple of times on test when Vex wanted to play his stalker. Him and FD or Rice would run their stalkers and we would have a dom or mage on his Rad/Sonic.
If you are thinking that a rad/pain corr would be the one to do this, there again you show that you have never really competitively pvp'd in this game in an 8v8 environment because if the other team is competent at all and you are running a pain and an emp or 2 pains or whatever, that pain will be doing his job which will be buffing the team and healing the other teams target and will not have time to get locked on target, stun the target and heal the target the other team is attacking. Now if your team was just rolling the opposing team then yeah you could easily do that since your healing/buffing duty would really not be needed. The dom or whatever is like in baseball, the setup man and that is his prime duty, and disrupt other toons between spikes by spamming other holds on random targets. and you did say this: Which is entirely untrue. If they learn to play a blaster then hey there ya go they play a blaster. There is more to it than what you say with counting to 3. Gotta be able to lock fast, not give away the target by following to soon or pre-firing. Have to learn how to evade and how to get back on target etc. Much more than counting to 3 and you see this when someone gets on your team and a target is called and they never get a lock on the target or just get repeatedly farmed. Totally agree that playing a blaster and playing a support toon is a different skill set. One of the most difficult toons to play use to be a sonic/sonic. You were there as a buffer for shields, a cager for disruption, and had to be on target for debuffing with sonic siphon and then back to finding the cage target and rinse and repeat. I am not going to argue it with you, you have said many times over you do not competitively PvP in this game and never have so there are somethings you just don't understand about it...and kb's on Freedom is not competitive PvP. |
Most of those skills you've listed fall under common sense to those who PvP on other games. Nothing a beginning PvPer wouldn't learn playing a support toon, especially a corr when you're buffing, debuffing and locking target. If your pain doesn't have time to lock the target and buff, that's a bad pain considering Enforced Morale lasts 90 seconds as well as painbringer and WoP; even on an 8v8 team that gives the corr a fair amount of time to lock and spike.
I agree I shouldn't be arguing about what AT works in what is called competitve pvp in this game because like you said, I don't play it. However, telling someone they can learn how to play other ATs by playing a blaster is laughable.
Correction, I never said you could learn other AT's by playing a blaster. I said a blaster was a good start that's easy to get into while still learning the basics. Those same basics are used when learning another AT while being considerably less difficult for a beginner to get a handle on.
"the reason there are so many sarcastic pvpers is we already had a better version of pvp taken away from us to appease bad players. Back then we chuckled at how bad players came here and whined. If we knew that was the actual voice devs would listen to instead of informed, educated players we probably would have been bigger dicks back then." -ConFlict
I run a WP tank for Zonal and I have had great times on it... Best thing to go for on one is massive Hp, Recharge and Regen... There are a few toons that can kill your regen completely so make sure you have Aid self and slot loads of Numi's thoughout the build to get yourself the 30% Heal bonus... Currently my Tank's Aid is healing over 800Hp every 7secs and that's after DR, she sits at 3189 Hp base and with alright Res throughout the build especially against Psi blasters as I also have tough makes it the closest to pre i13 tanking in pvp as I feel you can get.
So yea, alround great fun if you build it right... Whether your in Arena, 2v2 or more, Zonal or even fightclubbing.
Hope the OP has as much fun on their WP as I do.
Consciousness: that annoying time between naps.
make a WP/SS/Stone if you like WP and tanks. Get taunt hurl and fossilize and you'll be good for most fights.
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"If you can get good on a blaster, you can learn other characters such as Doms and Corrs without too many problems."|
Originally Posted by Reiraku
Correction, I never said you could learn other AT's by playing a blaster. .
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really?
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Originally Posted by Tokyo
"If you can get good on a blaster, you can learn other characters such as Doms and Corrs without too many problems."
really? |
I would agree with the original statement to a certain extent. Blaster style play is more similair to Doms and Corrs than if you were playing a stalker, or Melee class so in that way it's correct but you won't become a wonderful Corruptor from playing blasters, you could pick up some useful skills that you will also use on those similair style of characters tho.
At least that is how i read it.
Consciousness: that annoying time between naps.
actually - an emp is superior to a pain dom in every way in 8v8. Two good emps on a team can counter a three blaster spike anyday. 5 and you are racing against kills. AB > Painbringer (+100% recharge over 50% dmg boost) and pains don't get a fort like power (power boosted +too hit and +25% dmg on a troller). Add in the RAs for drive bys and self preservation. That and the dmg to the target on enforced morale is a pain in the butt when people are twitchy about taking dmg.
as far as wp goes in arena - easy to build + HP + RES - the aura is great for stalkers etc..but you have to manage your heals (greens or pool aid self) - end is not an issue though
if you really like wp and want a pvp toon try KM/WP scrapper 
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