Who Remembers the Glory Days?

And not to pick favorites in the ACTUAL debate, let me also say that true or not, Acemace's opinion on the relative performance of Hamio'd pre-ED FireTankers sounds quite reasonable to me.

I can't remember all the rules as they were, but I'm assuming you could slot six Enzymes for +300% defense. Yes, Fire has no defense, but you can grab the power pools. So let's say you take Weave, Combat Jumping and Manuevers. That's 9.8% unslotted. +300% gives you 39.2% defense from just three pools. There probably aren't many Fire tanks sitting at 39.2% defense these days?

On the resistance side, was that also getting 50%, or was it 30%? I'm thinking it was 30%? So +180%. So capped smashing, lethal and fire, 84% resistance to energy and negative, and 56% resistance to cold. Again, I suspect these numbers are higher than we get these days? I'm not a tanker expert, so I don't know for sure.

How about Healing Flames? Hmmm, looks like the best is four Golgis for +200% healing and two L53 recharge IOs plus perma Hasten. So 70% + 2*38.3% = +146.6% recharge, so recharges in 40 / 246.6% = 16 seconds, and heals for 1406 hit points, so 88 HP/S of healing. Plus whatever non-ED capped passive regeneration comes to.

Now, I don't know what the state of the art for Fire Tank survivability is. But I suspect those numbers would be hard for a modern Fire tank to compete with, assuming I got them right.

I remember the Glory Days. They were overrated.

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Originally Posted by Werner I can't remember all the rules as they were, but I'm assuming you could slot six Enzymes for +300% defense. Yes, Fire has no defense, but you can grab the power pools. So let's say you take Weave, Combat Jumping and Manuevers. That's 9.8% unslotted. +300% gives you 39.2% defense from just three pools. There probably aren't many Fire tanks sitting at 39.2% defense these days?

Defense numbers were much higher than they are now. I think Weave was like, 10% defense. Of course, this was before the critter accuracy change, so GMs/AVs (+0) were rocking a 90% base tohit.

(To give you an idea how wonky defense was back then, I saw a Blaster build (and demo record) with 45% def using Weave, CJ, etc. It was just enough to floor +0 minions.)

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Originally Posted by Werner How about Healing Flames? Hmmm, looks like the best is four Golgis for +200% healing and two L53 recharge IOs plus perma Hasten. So 70% + 2*38.3% = +146.6% recharge, so recharges in 40 / 246.6% = 16 seconds, and heals for 1406 hit points, so 88 HP/S of healing. Plus whatever non-ED capped passive regeneration comes to.

Healing Flames only used to be a ~17% heal on Tankers (coincidentally, that was 25% of a Scrapper's hp) and had a recharge of 60 seconds. It was massively buffed post ED / GDN.

You also got 5 % from hasten and with HO's at 50% you could perma hasten easier than the normal 6 slots you had to make it perma and you got 5% defense using it. Also which Invulnerability would you get would you get the i2 one where they rooted in place with invincibility and could not move or the i3 one with perma unstoppable one everyone ran.

When people would get xp by putting foot stomp on auto and leaving to watch movies while there tank was killing demons coming out the gate non stop (yea we use to get xp for every mob that came out)

Talk about demon farming maps haha that was crazy stuff

I remember the glory days, and other than regen I like now better. I like being able to run all of my DA toggles at one time.