Preatorian PvP Zone

I think that Preatoria should have a PvP zone of it's own added in a future expansion. But it should be a different kind of PvP zone.

This new PvP zone or arena should be a place where you could auto-level something to 50, slot it with SOs, and then go off to fight. They developers did precisely that on test server for testing of Recluse's Victory (except you could only level to 40).

That puts everyone on an even footing regarding access to powers, slots, and enhancements. What makes a difference is what powers you picked, how you slotted them, and how good you are at using them.

And since you don't have to level something and pay to out fit the character, you reduce wasted time for the PvPer, have less power-leveling and farming overall, and I expect that you would see a drop in RMT transactions as well.

Another benefit would be the wide variety of opponents. Since you don't have to spend a few weeks to a few months or more to level something to 50 and get all the good enhancements for it, I think that people would be more willing to try out unique powerset combos just to see how it feels.

Now this would have to be a separate place so that you don't mix IO'd toons with SO only toons. And the characters created here could only exist and play in this zone. Perhaps existing characters could walk in but have to use a second or third build and have it be SO only. That way anyone could play with their favorite character as well.

I also propose that there be a reasonable inf. fee associated with this. Either an "Entrance Fee" or regular cost of SOs, or perhaps both. It's not too onerous an amount and would be a nice little influence sink.

And since the balance here is achieved by having everyone on equal enhancement footing, I would hope that this zone would operate on the generally known and accepted PvE rules and not the widely despised PvP rules including travel suppression, heal decay, inherent shields, and diminishing returns.

I also think that since these are, in essence, throw-away characters, that people in general will be less upset by defeats are more willing to try PvP on a lark.

So, what do you think?

If you need GR for it, then no.

I won't buy it.

As far as that working in City of Heroes.... could it work? I have no idea to be honest with you.

Generally I'm against things like that because it attracts people that have the mentality of "I want it, and I want it now for nothing". I like the community here, and the number of trolls is deliciously low outside of Pocket D where there's the occasional moron. But what can I say to oppose it in an unbiased way? Nada, aside from the obvious amount of work it would take and the humorous bugs that would arise from it but that's rarely a valid reason to oppose content being added.

I suppose the questions I have is.... where are all these incredibly strong super heroes/villains coming from, and why are they all colliding in this zone in Praetoria? Is there a red flag and a blue flag and the object is to steal the others flag because... "Because... it's the flag man.... it's the flag" (points if anyone gets that reference without having to google it). What would be the logical reason to explain it?

On the idea itself.... I'm actually completely against the IO thing. I think if this idea were implemented with the insta-50s they should get their pick from level 53 dual origin enhancements, and a way to upgrade to single origin through PVP rewards somehow. That way, the people who actually WORKED for their PVP "Godlyness" or whatever you feel like calling it could come in and have an upper hand against these guys who clicked a bunch of buttons and got a free level 50 to play with. Unless of course it's separated like a kiddy pool, then none of this last pargraph matters aside from still not wanting people to instantly have the best things in the game for no work at all but I see no point in separating it with the already limited PVP playerbase.

The only thing I would add flea is con'ing do you want it to be faction oriented like loyalist vs resistance or hero vs villian etc or free for all (I prefer this).


Otherwise I like the idea of a "try it out PvP zone" and I do think it would be more friendly for beginers.

I suggested Praetoria since it is new and doesn't have a PvP zone. I understand that some people may not like that because they don't have or plan to buy GR. Sorry.

I would make it a free-for-all in keeping with the whole "Going Rogue" theme. You never know who your friends and enemies are.

As to where they are coming from: I hadn't really thought about it. Call it a dream or an alternate dimension if you must. But since new heroes and villains are created everyday, I really don't think that's a problem.

Thank you all for your feedback!

I'm not disputing there might be a drop. I'm disputing that it will matter significantly.

When you compare the number of people who PL to farm, or PL for prestige, or PL just to PL, versus those who do it for PvP, I'm not sure the numbers are comparable. Then ask yourself if the People who PL for PvP aren't quite likely to just keep doing it for other reasons, and you quickly come to the conclusion that an easy leveling zone might change the habits of a few people, but in the grand scheme, not so much.

They need to make PvP not be a giant, steaming pile of turd first. Then they can add more zones and shinies to it.

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Originally Posted by Zwillinger GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.

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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.

I would rather see the Correction Facility/Behavioral Adjustment Facility turned into a free for all PvP zone without any alignment restrictions at all. Loyalist vs Resistance or Loyalist vs Loyalist or Resistance vs Resistance. An absolute total free for all. That should satisfy all the PvP-ers out there! It would provide something completely unique to the entire game system as well as letting those who have to have PvP satisfy their gluttonistic destructive urges on each other.

Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. Anyone can team with anyone or battle anyone.

But I suppose we would need some kind of safe zone to avoid spawn camping.

Other than that, hell yeah, total FFA.

This is the kind of pvp zone that I could support. Casual pvpers, in fact just plain casual players could step in and be on an equal footing with hard core pvpers. They would still lose most the time of course due to lack of knowledge of tactics and how powers work in pvp. But there wouldn't be that wall that is there now. Currently if you enter a pvp zone you KNOW with absolute certainty that your casual build which was created just to pve is going to wind up stacked up against at least one player who has spent billions on their build and is loaded down with all sorts of soft capping IOs and processes. Even if there isn't actually one of those players in the zone at the moment it still seems a certainty. And you definitely will be up against some people who have spent fortunes on their build.

It's kind of like telling asking somebody if they want to try paintball. Then telling them that they will have a paintball pistol that holds 10 round clips. And that they will be up against trained military personnel with automatic paintball rifles that hold 100 round clips and who are wearing armor that simulates flack vests so that hitting them anywhere in the upper torso with your pistol doesn't count. Most people would say "No thanks" and walk away. If on the other hand you tell them that the trained guys will be limited to the same 10 shot pistols and no armor it makes it more tempting. This is why the last changes to pvp were pointless. They lowered the muzzle velocity of the automatic rifles, they lowered the coverage area of the flack vests, but they didn't take them away. And it just annoyed the regular pvpers because it was universal, they had to partake in it no matter if they wanted it or not. And it didn't encourage the casual players because they still only had their puny pistols. This one zone would make it more like a standard fps. Everybody on an equal footing with only skill and knowledge making the difference. Not how many billions you've spent on your build and how many hours you've ground for purples.

Edit: I'm not saying that it would make pvp popular. That just isn't going to happen in this game because the whole concept and play structure attracts people who aren't hard core into the win at all costs attitude. I'm just saying it would make pvp less hostile and intimidating.

I agree with all that's already been agreed upon and i'll buy GR if it happens.