Are Alignment Merits REALLY worth it?
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Posted on: 2010-09-04 17:29 in Player Questions
You only have to buy the A-merit the first time. Next time you reaffirm the same character in the same hero/villain alignment, you'll get the A-merit outright rather than the reward merits.
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Okay, I was confused there, as I bought one prior to doing the Reaffirming Alignment. So you only have to reaffirm once, on any given character and when you do you get 50 Reward merits, then any time after you get an A-Merit, granted it's the same alignment? Also do you have to BUY an A-Merit with the 50 you get from the mission, or do you just have to do the mission once?
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Originally Posted by Selina_H
You only have to buy the A-merit the first time. Next time you reaffirm the same character in the same hero/villain alignment, you'll get the A-merit outright rather than the reward merits.
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Originally Posted by Quinz
So you only have to reaffirm once, on any given character and when you do you get 50 Reward merits, then any time after you get an A-Merit, granted it's the same alignment?
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Originally Posted by Quinz
Also do you have to BUY an A-Merit with the 50 you get from the mission, or do you just have to do the mission once?
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Just remember that you can only convert/buy every 20 hours, and plan accordingly.
Okay, thanks for that information. I was about to twitch and frown greatly if you had to ALWAYS buy them. But still, NOW my question changes to: Are Alignment Merits worth it to BUY?
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40 million Inf and 100 merits for a recipe that would normally cost 200-240 merits to purchase? In my opinion, yes, they are worth it, if you're working towards something. If you're just stockpiling for a rainy day, then no, you shouldn't buy them, just get what you earn.
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Seconded. A-merits definitely give you a lot more bang for your buck, especially if you're random rolling. If you tend to run a lot of TFs and Ouro arcs anyway, I'd say go for it. But if you're going to be grinding a bunch of content you hate just for the reward merits, it's not worth it. There are other ways to get your shinies.
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Originally Posted by Roderick
40 million Inf and 100 merits for a recipe that would normally cost 200-240 merits to purchase? In my opinion, yes, they are worth it, if you're working towards something. If you're just stockpiling for a rainy day, then no, you shouldn't buy them, just get what you earn.
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Whoever gave you that information somehow confused A-Merits and the Incarnate Alpha Slot that is coming out in i19. Totally unrelated items. A-Merits you can only get two ways:|
Originally Posted by Quinz
I had originally heard that Alignment Merits were purchasable for 20 Reward Merits, 100 Vanguard Merits and 10Mil influence and they could only be bought once every 20 hours. I understand it and it seemed worth it for what was buyable. I went, finally, checked about buying one on my hero and I see they are worth 50 Reward Merits and 20Mil. See, that doesn't seem worth it to me.
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1. Reinforce Hero/Villain morality (takes 10 tip missions and 1 morality mission).
2. Trade 50 merits and 20 million inf
#1 takes more than 20 hours because you can only run 5 tip missions every 20 hours
#2 can only be done every 20 hours
It is the alpha slot they are *thinking about* allowing to be purchased with vanguard merits etc. This is not live yet, and not finalized so may or may not happen.
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| i was kind of desperate for one specific reward, though, where I either got two alignment Merits or 250 Reward Merits and just bought one, figuring I can get an Alignment Merit through the missions. |
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| And if you saved for a purple? That would be 400mil inf PLUS 12.5 random rolls, you may as well purchase purples for the market. (According to my loose calculations). |
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| Okay, thanks for that information. I was about to twitch and frown greatly if you had to ALWAYS buy them. But still, NOW my question changes to: Are Alignment Merits worth it to BUY? |
Or, you could just straight out pick a luck of the gambler +recharge at level 25, craft it for about 1.5 million in salvage and sell it for 180 million. Easily worth the 40 million you invested and if you tried to pick one with Reward Merits it would cost you 240, not 100.
Short version: If you are using Reward Merits for anything other than conversion to A-Merits, you are wasting them.
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Yes, especially if you are working towards a set of purples. You'll save a lot of time if you buy a merit everyday in addition to earning one every other day. Running TFs after your daily quota of tip missions should cover the cost.
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Originally Posted by Quinz
Okay, thanks for that information. I was about to twitch and frown greatly if you had to ALWAYS buy them. But still, NOW my question changes to: Are Alignment Merits worth it to BUY?
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Whoever gave the OP that information got it from Closed Beta. Vanguard merits were originally included in the cost to buy an alignment merit, but that was removed shortly after the loyalty program testers were invited.
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Originally Posted by GavinRuneblade
Whoever gave you that information somehow confused A-Merits and the Incarnate Alpha Slot that is coming out in i19. Totally unrelated items. A-Merits you can only get two ways:
1. Reinforce Hero/Villain morality (takes 10 tip missions and 1 morality mission). 2. Trade 50 merits and 20 million inf #1 takes more than 20 hours because you can only run 5 tip missions every 20 hours #2 can only be done every 20 hours It is the alpha slot they are *thinking about* allowing to be purchased with vanguard merits etc. This is not live yet, and not finalized so may or may not happen. |
On average- now I haven't been doing this at level 50, I've been doing it in the mid-30s- on average, I've been making upward of 100 million per 5 rolls. I didn't keep precise numbers, but I've done 70 rolls and I've gotten at least six 100-million-inf rolls just for starters.
I've got PM's from someone who got 15 or 20 rolls - I'd have to check, it's not my info to release- and there's this thread.
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Depends on what you're looking to get with them. |
Originally Posted by Quinz
Okay, thanks for that information. I was about to twitch and frown greatly if you had to ALWAYS buy them. But still, NOW my question changes to: Are Alignment Merits worth it to BUY?
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Luck of the Gambler Def/Global recharge sells for 100mill-200mill. 200 merits, or 100 merits + 40 mill to buy.
Blessing of the Zephyr KB Protection & Call to Arms +Def are very expensive on the market, and cost 240 and 265 merits respectively. MUCH easier to get with Alignment merits.
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No, it doesn't depend on what you are looking to buy. In every single case, you are better off using A-Merits over Reward Merits. Every single case.
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Originally Posted by Derangedpolygot
Depends on what you're looking to get with them.
Luck of the Gambler Def/Global recharge sells for 100mill-200mill. 200 merits, or 100 merits + 40 mill to buy. Blessing of the Zephyr KB Protection & Call to Arms +Def are very expensive on the market, and cost 240 and 265 merits respectively. MUCH easier to get with Alignment merits. |
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Well, I suppose I meant A-merits versus inf cost on the market; merit costs to show the value of such recipes.
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Originally Posted by GavinRuneblade
No, it doesn't depend on what you are looking to buy. In every single case, you are better off using A-Merits over Reward Merits. Every single case.
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This pretty much sums it up right here. Why not spend 50 merits and 20 million inf to get 100 merits' worth of stuff?
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Originally Posted by GavinRuneblade
Short version: If you are using Reward Merits for anything other than conversion to A-Merits, you are wasting them.
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___The best thing about using A-merits as direct buys as opposed to rolling (which is also very nice), is that you can pick the level of the set IO you buy.
___This is really nice for things that go down to lvl 10 such as the Kismet +acc, Regen Tissue +regen and other such uniques.You can be guaranteed that they will exemp down to the low lvl TF/SF/Oro missions, you can use other alts to buy them and mail them to your lowbies, and buy crafting at the lowest lvl you want, you save some extra influence and use lower tier salvage
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That is true, there are some that are cheap enough they're worth buying with inf, and some you really want to use A-merits.
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Originally Posted by Derangedpolygot
Well, I suppose I meant A-merits versus inf cost on the market; merit costs to show the value of such recipes.
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Most purples and PvP IO's are not worth spending A-merits on, you'd be better off just buying them off the market.
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Okay a little backstory:
I had originally heard that Alignment Merits were purchasable for 20 Reward Merits, 100 Vanguard Merits and 10Mil influence and they could only be bought once every 20 hours. I understand it and it seemed worth it for what was buyable. I went, finally, checked about buying one on my hero and I see they are worth 50 Reward Merits and 20Mil. See, that doesn't seem worth it to me. i was kind of desperate for one specific reward, though, where I either got two alignment Merits or 250 Reward Merits and just bought one, figuring I can get an Alignment Merit through the missions.
To my understanding, you reinforce your alignment (Hero or Villain) and you just got an Alignment Merit. I did this and what did I get? 50 Reward Merits. I looked at them and was like "What is THIS crap?" I have to spend 20Mil to get an Alignment Merit despite reinforcing my alignment. It doesn't seem worth it.
Sure, you could spend 50 merits and 20mil inf to get 4 (or was it 5?) random rolls, where you could get 2.5 random rolls PLUS can buy some specific sets on the market for under 20mil that you want. You could get a specific item for 1 or 2, depending, where it doesn't seem worth it to lose 5 random rolls and 40mil for the item in question. And if you saved for a purple? That would be 400mil inf PLUS 12.5 random rolls, you may as well purchase purples for the market. (According to my loose calculations).
My question is this, now: Since you have to 'Buy' Alignment Merits, even if you do Reinforcing Alignment missions... Are they WORTH it?
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