But Perma-Dom needs purplez!!

The only thing edited in the first post was the addition of the data chunk from mids. Last line in the post includes what I edited.

Sadly, this has not gone where I had hoped it would. It seems that while a few people know that you can a) be perma before 50 and b) that it does not in fact require purples and billions of inf to do, all of the players I have come across in the game did not know.

When I started this thread it was because I was looking at doms in the light that they are expensive as heck to build (requiring more money than I would ever willingly spend on any character) and that they really didn't shine until 50. I enjoy playing my characters before 50, and so both of these supposed facts turned me off.

I had however, set out to find answers for myself and not solely rely on what people who have been playing this game for years and years had told me. I wanted to see if I could perma (a milestone for most doms) below 50. This would immediately eliminate the purple sets that I will not pay for (I'm cheap) and allow me to have more fun earlier.

In my search, I found that yes indeed, I could perma before 50. I could do it with sets that I AM willing to purchase / work for and I came here to share that because no one else ever did that I could find.

Like I have explained before, many of the links to guides are outdated or simply broken. It is beyond frustrating trying to find good, solid, relevant sources of compiled information about some combos and even some ATs in this game. Don't believe me? Take a peak at the CoHwiki article on Dominators:

http://cityofheroes.wikia.com/wiki/Dominator

It doesn't even mention IO sets in the part about getting Domination to recharge faster.


While I did not write a guide, I did make a post that shows people who are new, or new to doms, or simply mis-informed that you can do this - that Doms are not the inf sink that many people claim them to be. Are they cheap? Well, they can be. Do they "perform well on just SO's"? Not really, but then, "performs well on SO's" is subjective and frankly, most ATs don't "perform well on just SO's" enough to suit most people.

After the first few responses, I was not very happy that I had made this thread. Now, I'm glad I did. I have had a few inquiries via PM asking me if I can make a build for a x/x dom similar to the one I did. I usually decline and remind people that I have very little experience with doms. Mostly due to the fact that everyone I knew believed they were an inf sink.

Not everyone is a Mid's genius. Not everyone knows which sets cost how much money. Not everyone understands the mechanics of this game (illustrated in this thread). But almost everyone can look at someone who said "Look what I did! And here's how I did it" and follow along well enough to get the point.

We're lacking in good, relevant information on these forums in the form of guides. Not only that, but our wiki is outdated and needs some love. I fail to see why someone wants to argue about something that really leaves nothing to argue about. I said I made a perma-dom at 36. I said I was told I needed purples and level 50 by people who have been playing this game for years to make this happen. The guide I read was outdated and didn't include half of the sets that made this build possible. And all of this is true.

So while this has not gone like I wanted it to, some good still came of it.

Thanks to all of those who actually read the post and were perhaps inspired to do something that "everyone they know" said couldn't be done.

Cheers!

That's because the CoHWiki would rather parrot box art than have actual information.

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With the new H/V merits, it's actually fairly easy to get LotG +recharge IOs. 4 days of tip missions as a Hero or Villain and you get a LoTG or Numinas or Mircale recipe. Because of this, it's actually fairly easy to get a permadom build at lower levels. My plant/thorn has had perma-dom since lvl 34. Most Dom's can perma fairly easily. I won't say super cheap, but not billions definitely. Part of this is because of the market merger, lots of stuff available to Doms that wasn't before, just due to supply.

Now, I have to say, while 68% global is enough to achieve permadom, if you have actually played it, you will find it's really easy to loose. Slight delay in firing hasten, get hit by any kind of slow and you loose it. So I would recommend getting a bit more global recharge built up if possible. Assault is nice, and obviously you can do whatever you want, but maneuvers would take a lotg.

Also Fire breath is really really good. It's the best AE in the /fire set. I would say drop roots and pick up Fire Breath, it will take the same Positron's blast you had planned to slot in roots, and you will get a lot more out of it. Just take Incinerate at 2, and Fire Breath at 4.

I do agree with the spirit of your thread OP, lots of people seem to think that permadom is for 50's and billionaires only, so it's good to get the info out. Sorry if you weren't looking for advice.

Ah ok, I wasn't trying to discedit, or anything I'm just making sure if say I wanted to do this that all accounts and angles have been figured in.

Permadom has just gotten easier and easier, and the budget threshold has gotten lower and lower.

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I don't think I have a handle on how to calculate it but it looks to me that the build in the original post would be 10 seconds or so short of Perma-Dom. I figure that (and again, I may be figuring it wrong) that Mid's doesn't show you the true number on Hasten. It seems to me it shows you the recharge time on Hasten while Hasten is running (when you activate the power in the builder). But it doesn't show the actual down time of the power since you aren't getting the recharge benefit during that time.

So if Hasten is off for 8 seconds according to Mid's, it's really off for 70% longer than that therefore giving a misleading number on Domination's actual recharge.

Does anyone know how to properly calculate the maximum recharge time on Hasten to allow Permadom with at least 2 or 3 seconds of overlap?

Near as I can tell, my Fire/Fire Dom would have to be level 41 before I could achieve actual Permadom.

Don,

My abbreviated, rough guide to perma-Dom:

71 or 72ish% global recharge + Hasten with 3 white SOs -- but you need to be Johnny on the Spot with hitting Hasten and Dom -- it's a lot of micro-management.

If you go with 71+ Hasten with 6 white SOs, you will have a few seconds of overlapping Domination, meaning you won't have to be so fast with trigger finger. Or you could have less global recharge.

However, low-80s + 3-slotted Hasten is, IME, the sweet spot between having some overlap and not going into multi-billion inf builds.

If you have 130ish global recharge, you don't need no stanking Hasten, but you're looking at an absurdly expensive fire / fire build.

For a much more thorough guide, look here.

Edit: and if you want to go for Hasten-less perma-dom, dear god, don't take my 130ish global recharge as gospel -- find the real number. I wouldn't want to be responsible for an eleventy billion inf whoops