Roleplay, Plots and the World.

I'm....so tempted to comment on this, but I can't find a way to phrase it that doesn't come across as...let's call it snarky.
To an extent, yes, trying to ignore everything that happens in a shared RP world would be daft. But this event really does force people to take part. You can't do something that pretty much every character around would find abominable and expect them to do nothing... Which means that if they do do nothing it's breaking the character. And the player has absolutely no say in the matter. Thats effectively a form of god-moding; they dont get a choice in how to react without completely being OOC for that char.

Originally Posted by Zwillinger GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.

Originally Posted by Captain_Photon NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.

Just because I have to say it, I think this would make an awesome plot.

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I have a feeling that, whilst Recluse wouldn't like that many heroes descending on the Isles, he either wouldn't have the resources to stop so many that aren't even targetting him, or would join the hunt and erase a menace.

Even he doesn't kill kids.

Blue side, there's a tip mission about Westin Phipps you really should do some day.

And now we hit the real issue, and this is important.

We have here a Wide-effect plotline. The vast majority of people who have posted have not said that they wish to ignore the overall plot. The vast majority of people would actually like to incorporate the plot into the ongoing Unionverse lore and history.

The problem has struck because an element of the plot has moved from "stuff happening somewhere else that we can ignore" to "stuff that we know everyone is going to talk about", because it DWARFS the Dunblane massacre, for example.

The characters in a superhero story - and that's what CoH is - have the power to react to atrocities. And they would do so. To remain in-character, those reactions would likely be very extreme. The outright destruction of the Court by the combined might of the heroes of Paragon would simply be step one.

I have no desire to take part in any RP where an entire SG is effectively ostracised and unable to take part in the wider RP occurring within the game.

But many of the heroes from Paragon would consider such action to be completely reasonable. And it actually would be.

Yes, the problem we have here is one of scale - this is too big to be ignored. Where do we set the bar? I have no idea. But a good judgement call would be that if you think you could watch it on a news report without wanting to punish the perpetrators yourself, then it's probably okay.

This. Hell, he might even make a public face of 'aiding' (i.e. not killing on sight) the Heroes in killing off an udead menace, which he could then flap at the UN if he ever had the need.

(Technically, yes, the Etoile Isles are UN recognised. How that works I have no idea XD)

Also, what Shadowe (The wise one! ) said. If you picture people tutting when they see the news and going "Ooo, thats bad. I hope the Heroes do something about that...Hmm, darling, where's my other slipper?" then that would likely be fine.
If on the other hand the reasonable response was "Christ! Dear, get the family. Yes, all of them. Yes, even Uncle Erwins lot. I dont care if we havent spoken to them for three months. *bring* Hello? Yes Erwin...You saw it too? Right. Get everyone, break open the gun cabinet, and meet you at City hall in, oo, twenty? Right."...
Yeah...then you've probably gone too far

Originally Posted by Zwillinger GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.

Originally Posted by Captain_Photon NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.

Technically he didn't 'take' over.

So he's still a legit head of state, if they knew the whole previous president killed so Recluse could take over it'd be a different matter.... but it's still accounted to an unknown assassin right? <Oroborous music plays>

It doesn't matter anyway. Real world fact, The US goes after terrorists, even if that means invading a nation state.

Ultimately, yes, the result of this would very likely be that a war between the US and the Isles took off. A massive number of heroes attack the Court. arachnos sees it as an attack on the Isles. Huge numbers of people die. There's some significant possibility that nuclear weapons are used.

We coud be talking about a war which would weaken both sides sufficiently that the Rikti or Praetorians could step in and take over.

It won't happen simply because it can't happen.

Hence plots on this scale are not viable for players to run.

And how does that work exactly, by whose standards? I in real life hate crime, corruption and quite a few other things. So do I go by my standards, which would even punish for Power Ranger* style crimes, some one more tolerant? A character? Whose character?

*"Oh no a giant monster is attacking!"
"Luckily it headed straight for the abandoned warehouse and dock district!"

I'm dreading Issue 25 where the Resistance who were aided by Longbow and The USA, turn against the US and start attacking.

You clearly don't have an issue with the fictionalised murder of 2000/1000 children. That alone tells me your judgement isn't an appropriate guide for what is going too far.

Then so be it. CB says he wrote this plot prepared for such consequences.

Both the NH and the Court helped STOP to child-killing robot by the way, while the world watched. So I don't see the Court being in trouble, praised maybe.

Uh, sorry, what? One Court member turned up, gave actual instructions to the robot that it obeyed, and would have gone back to the Isles...then Bathory said she wanted to see it cause havoc, and the order was given to attack again. Then Lucard showed up as well, and those two fought those who were trying to stop the robot.

How, in any imagineable way, is that helping?! Or am I just going completely mad?

Originally Posted by Zwillinger GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.

Originally Posted by Captain_Photon NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.

Because its fiction.

There are a lot worse things in real life to get worked up about.

Plenty of people are annoyed, actually. You obviously haven't actually read the thread or you'd have noticed that.

Even in fiction, some things go too far.

Do what you like, but I suspect pretty much everyone else here is going to retcon your event out of existence, and possibly your characters, too.

No, TheO. What we're saying is that, if this plays out as is now, then the Court will die. All of them. Hunted down and burned, staked, banished, culled, made extinct. There isn't any way short of god-moding the world that it could not happen. The US government would get everyone, and that would include the likes of MAGI and the Midnight Squad, to hunt down and terminate the Court. And bearing in mind the Midnighters banished what ammounts to a God (Rularuu). I dont think making a bunch of vampires stay dead would be as tricky as that musta been.

Originally Posted by Zwillinger GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.

Originally Posted by Captain_Photon NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.

Sorry Pious, but with this statement you've made yourself look ridiculous.

I really hope you write angry letters to the producers of films.

"George Lucas with your destruction of Alderaan in Star Wars: A New Hope you've gone too far, etc, etc"

The world didn't watch. It was presented as a happened and finished incident in a single very short post.

The world didn't get a chance to react in any way at all.

Star Wars doesn't affect my RPing; your incident, does.