"Epic" ATs - clarification requested
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CyberDragon,
Posted on: 2010-08-28 21:48 in Player Questions
I can't give a definitive answer, but when my Dominator dinged 20 in Praetoria last night, I do seem to recall getting the big blurb about Epics being unlocked. If it wasn't then, then it was when he went on through the portal to Paragon. I can't remember exactly which vent it was that triggered it.
Sadly, I can't provide any further testing, since I already have been able to make hero and villain Epics due to unlocking them earlier this year.
Your best bet would be to simply continue working toward 20 and see what happens once you ding.
I will keep on going, yes.
Thanks for the quick reply - anyone else in a similar position and able to provide full closure?
Thanks!
As far as I am aware:
Leaving Praetoria and choosing Villain will unlock Faction Exclusive Villain Archtypes.
You will only be able to start a Faction Exclusive Villain Archtype as a Villain.
Leaving Praetoria and choosing Hero will unlock Faction Exclusive Hero Archtypes.
You will only be able to start a Faction Exclusive Hero Archtype as a Hero.
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As of this posting there are no known plans to enable Faction Exclusive Archtypes to start as a Praetorian.
Nor are there any known plans to enable Faction Exclusive Archtypes to start as an Opposite faction. E.G. The Kheldian Archtypes will not be able to start as Villains :: The Arachnos Archtypes will not be able to start as Heroes.
As of this posting it is known if leaving Praetoria, choosing one faction, and then using the Morality System to swap factions, will result in the unlocking of Epic Archtypes from both Factions. E.G. : if you leave Praetoria and Choose Villain to unlock the Arachnos, and then convert to Hero to unlock the Kheldians.
Theoretically it should... I just don't know of anybody that's tried.
As of this posting there are no known plans to enable Faction Exclusive Archtypes to start as a Praetorian.
Nor are there any known plans to enable Faction Exclusive Archtypes to start as an Opposite faction. E.G. The Kheldian Archtypes will not be able to start as Villains :: The Arachnos Archtypes will not be able to start as Heroes.
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As of this posting it is known if leaving Praetoria, choosing one faction, and then using the Morality System to swap factions, will result in the unlocking of Epic Archtypes from both Factions. E.G. : if you leave Praetoria and Choose Villain to unlock the Arachnos, and then convert to Hero to unlock the Kheldians.
Theoretically it should... I just don't know of anybody that's tried.
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Originally Posted by je_saist
Leaving Praetoria and choosing Villain will unlock Faction Exclusive Villain Archtypes.
Leaving Praetoria and choosing Hero will unlock Faction Exclusive Hero Archtypes. |
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Originally Posted by je_saist
As of this posting it is known if leaving Praetoria, choosing one faction, and then using the Morality System to swap factions, will result in the unlocking of Epic Archtypes from both Factions. E.G. : if you leave Praetoria and Choose Villain to unlock the Arachnos, and then convert to Hero to unlock the Kheldians.
Theoretically it should... I just don't know of anybody that's tried. |
Because I've seen quite a few bugs in the side-switching system to know the game seems to have a bit of a problem recognizing anything you did before switching, and I don't have enough data yet to really know if this would affect that or not. But it wouldn't surprise me if it did.
I can't check this out myself as I already have far too many 20+ characters for a fair test.
As to your second point, converting to Hero should unlock Kheldians, yes, but wouldn't it also re-lock the Arachnos since you no longer have a 20+ Villain?
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I can answer thqat one:No it would not relock that sides E-AT since the devs made it clear that once they unlock they stay that way aside from occasional bugs that require you to log onto a toon that's the apprpriate level to re-enable them.
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Originally Posted by NekoNeko
As to your second point, converting to Hero should unlock Kheldians, yes, but wouldn't it also re-lock the Arachnos since you no longer have a 20+ Villain?
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How strange :
I managed to level two characters to 20 : one hero (and subsequently got the message for epic ATs unlocked - and have been able to tool around with kheldians in the creator) and one praetorian ( I selected villain, have gone through the portal and I'm standing in the rogue isles)
However, despite getting the epic unlock message on the praetorian, and relogging the toon (showing as level 20 on char selection, as well as a lovely little villain icon) I am unable to make VEATs.
Should I petition, or am I missing something - (please dont tell me I have to go and do tips to fully reinforce my villain AS a villain...)
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Roll a villain to 20 in the Rogue Isles. It really doesn't take too long.|
Originally Posted by Mackie
How strange :
I managed to level two characters to 20 : one hero (and subsequently got the message for epic ATs unlocked - and have been able to tool around with kheldians in the creator) and one praetorian ( I selected villain, have gone through the portal and I'm standing in the rogue isles) However, despite getting the epic unlock message on the praetorian, and relogging the toon (showing as level 20 on char selection, as well as a lovely little villain icon) I am unable to make VEATs. Should I petition, or am I missing something - (please dont tell me I have to go and do tips to fully reinforce my villain AS a villain...) |
Oh, and please don't say it's unfair if you have to do it the "hard" way, because not too long ago you had to have 50s.
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It does seem like a bug so you should probably file a bug report. You could also petition support for it, in case they can do something about it. I doubt that they can "flip a switch" to enable VEATs for you, though, but it can't hurt to try.
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Originally Posted by Mackie
Should I petition, or am I missing something - (please dont tell me I have to go and do tips to fully reinforce my villain AS a villain...)
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Is your Praetorian turned villain character one of the traditional villain ATs (Brute/Corruptor/Stalker/Dominator/Mastermind), or did you send a heroic AT to the Isles? If the latter, then perhaps that is where the problem lies? It is quite possible that the powers that be are looking for a villain AT at level 20 or higher in order to unlock VEATs? If so, then that should probably be petitioned as a bug.
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Originally Posted by Mackie
How strange :
I managed to level two characters to 20 : one hero (and subsequently got the message for epic ATs unlocked - and have been able to tool around with kheldians in the creator) and one praetorian ( I selected villain, have gone through the portal and I'm standing in the rogue isles) However, despite getting the epic unlock message on the praetorian, and relogging the toon (showing as level 20 on char selection, as well as a lovely little villain icon) I am unable to make VEATs. Should I petition, or am I missing something - (please dont tell me I have to go and do tips to fully reinforce my villain AS a villain...) |
I got the Epic AT Unlock message and I had already unlocked HEATs and VEATs back in 2008.
Characters:
- Dawnshift (50 Peacebringer/Virtue)
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It's arch-e-type. Archetype. No, really.|
Originally Posted by je_saist
As far as I am aware:
Leaving Praetoria and choosing Villain will unlock Faction Exclusive Villain Archtypes. You will only be able to start a Faction Exclusive Villain Archtype as a Villain. Leaving Praetoria and choosing Hero will unlock Faction Exclusive Hero Archtypes. You will only be able to start a Faction Exclusive Hero Archtype as a Hero. |
Unless, of course, you were referring to arches. Even then there should be a space between arch and type. Grammar fascism moment over, i return you to your regularly scheduled conversation.
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Isn't it based on your character's archetype?
Corruptors, Stalkers, Brutes, masterminds, dominators unlock VEATS regardless of what side they choose?
Though, I did hear somewhere that a praetoria character can not unlock EATs, and you'll have to make a hero/villain.
Characters!:
Pinny - Scrapper
Shadewing - Defender
@Pinny
Petitioned and got a response from a GM to a FAQ page -
Praets cannot unlock any of the hero or villain EATs, a fact which I find most troubling.
~sigh.
What's interesting is according to the manual, it should be based on the "base type" of your Archetype. That is, if you get a Scrapper, Blaster, Tanker, Defender or Controller to 20, you should unlock the HEATs, the other five ATs for the VEATs. This should not depend on whether you started them in Paragon City, the Rogue Isles, or Praetoria, or whether you change sides. (Only ONE side should be available when you hit 20 in Paragon City or the Rogue Isles. You cannot switch sides until after the unlock has already happened)
Since so many of us already have EATs unlocked, because we came into this with characters above 20, I'm not sure we can be 100% sure about this until it has been thoroughly tested. Even what a red name says "should" be the case may not be the way it is currently working.
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Originally Posted by Jade_Dragon
What's interesting is according to the manual, it should be based on the "base type" of your Archetype. That is, if you get a Scrapper, Blaster, Tanker, Defender or Controller to 20, you should unlock the HEATs, the other five ATs for the VEATs. This should not depend on whether you started them in Paragon City, the Rogue Isles, or Praetoria, or whether you change sides. (Only ONE side should be available when you hit 20 in Paragon City or the Rogue Isles. You cannot switch sides until after the unlock has already happened)
Since so many of us already have EATs unlocked, because we came into this with characters above 20, I'm not sure we can be 100% sure about this until it has been thoroughly tested. Even what a red name says "should" be the case may not be the way it is currently working. |
Praetorians at 20 unlock the ability for new accounts to start heroes or villains in Paragon or Rogue Isles. They have the Praetorian badge.
Characters that can only start in Paragon are blasters, defenders, controllers, tankers and scrappers. They will not have the Praetorian badge. At 20 they unlock Kheldians. They cannot switch prior to 20.
Characters that can only start in the Rogue Isles are corruptors, dominators, masterminds, stalkers and brutes. They will not have the Praetorian badge. At 20 they unlock VEATs. They cannot switch prior to 20.
Matrix for unlocking:
Praetorian Badge -> Level 20 -> Unlocks Heroes/Villains*
Hero* AT + No Praetorian badge -> Level 20 -> Unlocks Kheldians
Villain* AT + No Praetorian badge -> Level 20 -> Unlocks VEATs
* as defined since CoH and then CoV launched
total kick to the gut
This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.
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I have to admit it makes sense, although it hinges on the assumption that all new players will be forced to level to 20 in order to unlock the Archetypes in the other two start areas. |
Originally Posted by SwellGuy
It's not complicated.
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All existing players of the game, including those who do NOT purchase Going Rogue, will not have that restriction.
In fact, I think I will go so far as to say that restriction only applies to those who have ONLY purchased Going Rogue. I don't know of anyone who would purchase the old game, create an account on it, and then purchase Going Rogue and apply the code to it, but I would guess that would give them access to the old content right away.
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It's not an assumption. New accounts cannot start except in Praetoria unless they don't have Going Rogue.
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Originally Posted by Jade_Dragon
I have to admit it makes sense, although it hinges on the assumption that all new players will be forced to level to 20 in order to unlock the Archetypes in the other two start areas.
All existing players of the game, including those who do NOT purchase Going Rogue, will not have that restriction. In fact, I think I will go so far as to say that restriction only applies to those who have ONLY purchased Going Rogue. I don't know of anyone who would purchase the old game, create an account on it, and then purchase Going Rogue and apply the code to it, but I would guess that would give them access to the old content right away. |
total kick to the gut
This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.
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Yes, but it only applies to new accounts. |
Originally Posted by SwellGuy
It's not an assumption. New accounts cannot start except in Praetoria unless they don't have Going Rogue.
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If an old account creates a Praetorian, levels it to 20, and currently has no other characters above 20, what does he gain? He already has the ability to start Heroes or Villains.
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He/She gains exactly what I gain when I level a hero or villain to 20 now. Nothing. I already had 50s of each already.|
Originally Posted by Jade_Dragon
Yes, but it only applies to new accounts.
If an old account creates a Praetorian, levels it to 20, and currently has no other characters above 20, what does he gain? He already has the ability to start Heroes or Villains. |
Yet everytime I level up a character to 20 I get the Epic Unlock message.
total kick to the gut
This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.
As title, I'll keep this simple. I've looked back through a number of pages of threads here and cannot find a single definitive answer
If I (as a player with NO characters above 20) level a praetorian to level 20 (and subsequently end up blue or redside - fully hero or fully villain) - will I then be able to go back and make a corresponding E-AT of that particular side?
This confusion arises because I have seen conflicting posts on the point. One even apparently had heard it from a "GM" but I have not been able to see the actual quote for myself.
If yes - groovy
If not - I find that a little unfair. Yes, the Praets get a nice shiny new starting zone but after that they're back in the real world ( I would quote some resistance propaganda about peepers and sheeple but it makes my eyes bleed)
So, community - yay or nay?
Thanks.