I'm toying with the idea of doing a high recharge /regen toon and using shadow meld as another of the many "panic" buttons. The downside I see is the animation time seems a little long for my normal non-stop attack playstyle. It may be something I click while traveling between spawns so it's up to absorb the next alpha strike.
I gotta make pain. I gotta make things right. I gotta stop what's comin'. 'Least I gotta try.
Yea I had all those arguments I have a build planned out it take 3 purple sets and I have a billion on hand so I ay be able to pull it off right now but I was thinking about taking by db/ela I have and get him Shadow Meld. I have enough recharge to push perma energize and have roughly a 8-9 second gap on SM if I wanted
I think it will be nerfed my guess the APP/PPP where rushed and the devs ignored them so I am going to hold off a bit because I want to so take advantage of that bad design
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Rogue Spear-Spines/DA 50; Hypnosis-Ill/Rad 50
Sir Thomas Theroux-DM/SR 50; Melted Copper-Fire/Shield 50
Byzantine Warrior-DB/ELA 50;Blade Tempo-50 DB/EA
I have been on /glee street ever since hearing about Shadow Meld for Scrappers. Those of you that have been around a while know that I have been hoping for it for an exceptionally long time and now I finally get it.
Umbral will get yet another clicky power for his very clicky DM/Regen Scrapper. Umbral thinks he will probably stop being a massive dill-hole for at least a week after he gets Shadow Meld. Umbral can't promise this though, but it's likely. Umbral is happy.
I use shadow meld on my claws/dark stalker. As helpful as it is, it is far from over powering. I know. I know. Scrappers have more HP then stalkers. But so do brutes and tanks and they have versions of powers we have that help them out a lot more then they help us. I don't see shadow meld being any different. Besides, there is work involved in getting this power. Especially for the heroes that want this power.
"All problems can be solved by throwing enough scrappers at it."
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Originally Posted by Umbral
I have been on /glee street ever since hearing about Shadow Meld for Scrappers. Those of you that have been around a while know that I have been hoping for it for an exceptionally long time and now I finally get it.
Umbral will get yet another clicky power for his very clicky DM/Regen Scrapper. Umbral thinks he will probably stop being a massive dill-hole for at least a week after he gets Shadow Meld. Umbral can't promise this though, but it's likely. Umbral is happy. |
Claws will probably get this as well (Claws the character, not Claws the forum poster)
The only downside I see is it's going to require us to go full villain in order to run the arc to get the Patron Pool. I don't think Rogues are allowed to start the patron arcs.
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As a claws/sr, I look at shadow meld...and start screaming random curses at Castle. May Cthulhu Eat You Last!!!!|
Originally Posted by Umbral
I have been on /glee street ever since hearing about Shadow Meld for Scrappers. Those of you that have been around a while know that I have been hoping for it for an exceptionally long time and now I finally get it.
Umbral will get yet another clicky power for his very clicky DM/Regen Scrapper. Umbral thinks he will probably stop being a massive dill-hole for at least a week after he gets Shadow Meld. Umbral can't promise this though, but it's likely. Umbral is happy. |
/yells at clouds
Be well, people of CoH.
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WE had this discussion on the forums it is that good for some sets 4 sets that get the biggest impact /fa, ela, /da and regen|
Originally Posted by Rieze
I use shadow meld on my claws/dark stalker. As helpful as it is, it is far from over powering. I know. I know. Scrappers have more HP then stalkers. But so do brutes and tanks and they have versions of powers we have that help them out a lot more then they help us. I don't see shadow meld being any different. Besides, there is work involved in getting this power. Especially for the heroes that want this power.
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I can take /ela and get to 45% defense while upping my recharge rate giving me more dps a self heal; 50% resistance almost across the board and no crash yes I lose dps with 3s animation but I gain so much more in return oh and I can get it down to any where from a 5-9 second gap from up to down oh and through in a damage aura
My guess is they will change the recharge time to 120s or 140s (just a guess)
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Langar Thurs-Katana/SR 50; Hejtmane-DM/DA 50
Rogue Spear-Spines/DA 50; Hypnosis-Ill/Rad 50
Sir Thomas Theroux-DM/SR 50; Melted Copper-Fire/Shield 50
Byzantine Warrior-DB/ELA 50;Blade Tempo-50 DB/EA
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I know this. I read all 40 something pages of that. But two things that still and always will remain true. 1) with the exception on the dmg aura, you can do all those things you mentioned with a stalker. I explained why that's a no issue in my first post. 2) powers are based around SOs not IO builds only the rich and grinders can afford to build.
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Originally Posted by Hejtmane
WE had this discussion on the forums it is that good for some sets 4 sets that get the biggest impact /fa, ela, /da and regen
I can take /ela and get to 45% defense while upping my recharge rate giving me more dps a self heal; 50% resistance almost across the board and no crash yes I lose dps with 3s animation but I gain so much more in return oh and I can get it down to any where from a 5-9 second gap from up to down oh and through in a damage aura My guess is they will change the recharge time to 120s or 140s (just a guess) |
"All problems can be solved by throwing enough scrappers at it."
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And stalkers still have crap aoe output and vastly lower HP. They can not leverage SM like scrappers can.|
Originally Posted by Rieze
I know this. I read all 40 something pages of that. But two things that still and always will remain true. 1) with the exception on the dmg aura, you can do all those things you mentioned with a stalker. I explained why that's a no issue in my first post. 2) powers are based around SOs not IO builds only the rich and grinders can afford to build.
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And while powers might be balanced around SOs, the devs are not in the habit of ignoring what's happening when IOs are in use and they will eventually nerf that which is providing too much benefit.
Be well, people of CoH.
Ok slightly off topic but related. For heroes to use the opposite pools we need to completely switch and do the appropriate patron arc? So for my Scrapper to be able to use Shadow Meld I would need to go full villain and do the arc up until the badge right?
I believe that is the case, Brakner. I did it on test with my main to see how stupid a fully purpled claws/sr scrapper would be with hibernate.
It was mighty stupid.
Be well, people of CoH.
Shadow Meld will certainly be a powerful addition to many scrapper builds. The only flaw is that it's a 3 sec cast (on Mids), a bit long for my scrappers in action...
Another point I need to confirm, but I read that as a Vigilante you cannot access to contacts in Rogue Isles. It would mean, that unless you want to play on villain side, you have to turn your scrapper completely to villain, run the patron arc, respec to shadow meld, then back to the hero side... Not sure though that if you want to tweak your build and respec it after that you have to redo it all or not, maybe not 
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You'll need to go full Villain in order to access the patron power pools. I will be taking this for my Fire/Regen/Weapons PvP Scrapper rather than Hibernate.
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I believe that is the case, Brakner. I did it on test with my main to see how stupid a fully purpled claws/sr scrapper would be with hibernate.
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Hrm, well that changes everything . I have been holding off doing respecs on 3 or 4 heroes because of the new PPP's. Since I wount be switching these heroes to villains I guess I can do their respecs now.
Don't forget you get a freespec upon completion of a patron arc
*edit* Well the first one at least. I don't think they give any more for doing the other arcs.
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Great, another shield charge fiasco? Well at least whoever wants to use shadow meld probably has over a year before castle realizes it's overpowered and 'fixes' it, lol.
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Originally Posted by Hejtmane
Yea I had all those arguments I have a build planned out it take 3 purple sets and I have a billion on hand so I ay be able to pull it off right now but I was thinking about taking by db/ela I have and get him Shadow Meld. I have enough recharge to push perma energize and have roughly a 8-9 second gap on SM if I wanted
I think it will be nerfed my guess the APP/PPP where rushed and the devs ignored them so I am going to hold off a bit because I want to so take advantage of that bad design |
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Originally Posted by Cyber_naut
Great, another shield charge fiasco? Well at least whoever wants to use shadow meld probably has over a year before castle realizes it's overpowered and 'fixes' it, lol.
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It could go even longer, unlike Shield Charge which even a cantaloupe propped up at a keyboard could see was overpowered, in the age of IOs I think it will be a lot harder for most players to recognize any impact Shadow Meld is making. (It makes an impact of course, just hard to notice).
Time will tell.
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Except I been told it is not overpowered by a tons of people in closed beta because stalkers are not pawn with it
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Originally Posted by Cyber_naut
Great, another shield charge fiasco? Well at least whoever wants to use shadow meld probably has over a year before castle realizes it's overpowered and 'fixes' it, lol.
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Langar Thurs-Katana/SR 50; Hejtmane-DM/DA 50
Rogue Spear-Spines/DA 50; Hypnosis-Ill/Rad 50
Sir Thomas Theroux-DM/SR 50; Melted Copper-Fire/Shield 50
Byzantine Warrior-DB/ELA 50;Blade Tempo-50 DB/EA
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How hard is it to notice the survivability gains of 30% def?
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Originally Posted by Deus_Otiosus
It could go even longer, unlike Shield Charge which even a cantaloupe propped up at a keyboard could see was overpowered, in the age of IOs I think it will be a lot harder for most players to recognize any impact Shadow Meld is making. (It makes an impact of course, just hard to notice).
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There's also the fact that there might be a very small number of people that have both a tweaked to the gills level 50 scrapper and the desire to go through the side switching to stay a villain so that they can keep shadow meld.
I'm honestly beginning to wonder if the whole copy/paste APP/PPP kludge was done with the devs thinking, "meh, most people that will bother to change sides at all, and that number won't be huge, will do so for badges and change right back. No big deal."
Be well, people of CoH.
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I thought if you changed back to hero you could still keep your Patron powers as long as you didn't respec.
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Originally Posted by Bill Z Bubba
There's also the fact that there might be a very small number of people that have both a tweaked to the gills level 50 scrapper and the desire to go through the side switching to stay a villain so that they can keep shadow meld.
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I think Shadow Meld will be more effective for Scraps. With my Stalkers, the choice is:
a) Start with SM and waste some of it's time up as I activate BU + AS
b) Use SM after using AS and waste some of the BU
Without having to deal with the AS animation, Scraps should be able to get a lot of use out of it.
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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison
I thought if you changed back to hero you could still keep your Patron powers as long as you didn't respec.
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This entire post should receive some kind of award for being both hysterical and fantastic.
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True. However, while I may be a complete aberration in many ways, how many high end scrappers don't respec fairly regularly? I can't respec Bill these days unless I buy a recipe off the market or a new freespec lands.
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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison
I thought if you changed back to hero you could still keep your Patron powers as long as you didn't respec.
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Be well, people of CoH.
So, it seems we'll get the stalker Shadow meld with Patron pools proliferation, unless i totally misunderstood what i read.
Any scrapper with 15% def (very easily doable) can be soft capped for a while with that power alone, and it doesn't seem to cost much endurance.
What are your thoughts on this power, and does it work as well as it looks like ? Slotted, a 15sec 30% defense buff that can be up every 25sec with good recharge slotting looks borderline overpowered
I sure plan to consider it for my spines/dark, it might be that "magic power" to solve my survivability issues in big fights. What uses do you foresee for this ? Anyone else thinking it's the best epic/patron power along with Physical perfection ?
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