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Hehe....sure that is true when comparing supers to supers. On the other end of the spectrum if we were to compare Hulk or Thor to Galactus they would look like wimps. Now let look at when we compare a super, such as Spidey, to a human. The results are different eh? (Galactus has better slotting |
Originally Posted by Postagulous
Not hardly. Hulk and Superman, et al, are not on the Spider-Man level. Spider-man is mostly reflexes and "standard hero strongerness."
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) Regardless not every power or AT is going to match comic book heroes. Leave that up to the players imagination, because it all boils down to their interpretation of the powers and ATs available. Case and point I have seen players customize Dark Armor to appear like sand thus having "Sand Armor" Is he wrong?
My following comment isn't a stab at anyone posting in this thread but more of a general observation; I think basing the decision to omit SS from ever being proliferated to scrappers on comics is plain silly. If players want to play a steroid enhanced athlete (or some other concept) as a scrapper they should have access to it.
I think the real issue is that SS is suspected of introducing game breaking numbers to scrappers if ported. Naturally this would presume the set is not balanced in its "native" ATs. No one wants to nor should we nerf SS tankers and brutes this late in the game.
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Salty I've been looking at your avatar for about 5 mins now lol
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Not hardly. Hulk and Superman, et al, are not on the Spider-Man level. Spider-man is mostly reflexes and "standard hero strongerness."
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Captain America, Daredevil, Punisher: these are "standard hero strength"
Spider-Man can lift 10 tons. That's 20000 pounds. As per The Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe.
If SM chose to, he could punch a common thug through his rib cage and yank the guy behind him back through the first guys chest.
Other non-tank super strength characters include Sunspot and Luke Cage
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Its a clip from Supergirl!
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No, you are wrong. Picard could kick all of their [rears.]
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Give me an example of what glass-cannon Marvel or DC or whatever hero could be a scrapper with SS?
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Lets not get into this. Anybody who doesn't take Invulnerability would have to be barred from taking Super Strength then.
[Edit] Oh, someone beat me to the (super strength) punch.
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Give me an example of what glass-cannon Marvel or DC or whatever hero could be a scrapper with SS?
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Like very few players have noticed how Elec/SD scrappers are overpowered for AoE/Farming. Wait... more than half of the lowbie scrappers I've checked recently were Elec/SD... Believe me, when something gets overpowered, even slightly, players are very fast to jump on the bandwagon. SS as it is now would be insanely overpowered if ported directly to scrappers. Scrappers were almost perfectly balanced before the introduction of /Shields, and that's when they were the most fun in my opinion : you could pick any primary/secondary combo and be sure it would never be sub par. So you dont want anything overpowered like SS being thrown into the mix. Or it needs to be rebalanced, but I'm pretty sure Tankers and Brutes dont want any rebalancing of SS |
I should just start QR before reading anything past the OP.
It surprises me that no one has mentioned that Hulk is absolutely a brute, and shouldnt even be in this conversation.
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It surprises me that no one has mentioned that Hulk is absolutely a brute, and shouldnt even be in this conversation.
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Originally Posted by saltyhero13
Hehe....sure that is true when comparing supers to supers. On the other end of the spectrum if we were to compare Hulk or Thor to Galactus they would look like wimps. Now let look at when we compare a super, such as Spidey, to a human. The results are different eh? (Galactus has better slotting
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If SM chose to, he could punch a common thug through his rib cage and yank the guy behind him back through the first guys chest.
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Other non-tank super strength characters include Sunspot and Luke Cage
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It surprises me that no one has mentioned that Hulk is absolutely a brute, and shouldnt even be in this conversation.
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When you think abut SS, the stlye of combat the hulk employs is aesthetically what should be looked at.
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On that same note, Spider-Man, while Super Strength, can't rip chucks of the ground out, handclap, or footstomp.|
Originally Posted by Bill Z Bubba
Wrong.
Captain America, Daredevil, Punisher: these are "standard hero strength" Spider-Man can lift 10 tons. That's 20000 pounds. As per The Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe. If SM chose to, he could punch a common thug through his rib cage and yank the guy behind him back through the first guys chest. Other non-tank super strength characters include Sunspot and Luke Cage |
Rogue and Collosus are more likely.
I think the point was, you could just as easily say Martial Arts is Super Strength. Martial Arts would fit Spidey's fighting style (now with punch options), more than what Super Strength...based solely on animations.
Not that I'm against Super Strength being ported anymore. I saw screw it, and just port it. I think they'll change the damage mods for it when it reaches Scrappers anyways, so it won't be nearly as good as people think it will be.
Foot Stomp and Knock Out Blow will get the same treatment that GFS got when ported. Lower Damage than a straight port.
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I don't care about comics and thematics and doodoo like that! Jeeze people for crying out loud tankers get dual blades, how freaking tankish is that? It isn't! So there boom blew up any logical nerd raging arguement about scrappers not getting super strength. I just want my SS/Shield scrapper so I can punch someone so hard that their head pops off!
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Originally Posted by Santorican
I don't care about comics and thematics and doodoo like that! Jeeze people for crying out loud tankers get dual blades, how freaking tankish is that? It isn't! So there boom blew up any logical nerd raging arguement about scrappers not getting super strength. I just want my SS/Shield scrapper so I can punch someone so hard that their head pops off!
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I prefer to beat a dead horse than be silent and meekly accept whatever is handed out to me. Release all powersets from captivity now!
But mainly I brought this up for one reason:
The game is six years old, and needs to compete with DCU online (and maaaaybe Champions )
Having as many choices for powersets as possible is good to get people to play the game/make another alt.
I have a friend who played coh for about a year, came back for a month or two in a later year, then quit. I told him I was excited to see the Pretorian/going rogue new stuff, and believe it or not:
He actually asked me "Do Scrappers have Super Strength yet? Thats the only thing that would get me to play again"
Now, he was laughing as he said it, so I am not 100 percent sure if he would come back, but I swear he said it. Out of the blue.
He played a martial arts regen scrapper way back, up to about level 40 and got bored of street sweeping (he prefered to solo)
When he returned later he had a fire blaster and duoed with my fire tank. We had a blast in dark astoria toasting undead, and did a lot of bank missions, but he lost interest again and left.
It may only be one person, but he really did say he wanted to play a scrapper that feels strong (He is a hulk fan, that might be a factor)
For the record, the way Spiderman uses his webs and agility primarily and secondarily (when the going is rough) feats of strength mostly reminds me of... a toller with SS secondary (stone/kin??). Yeah, I know... heresy.
Strong feeling scrapper, huh? Well, they tried alt animations for MA, which was good. I just wish there wasn't such a general bias in this game to RIGHT ARM ATTACKS so that *scrapping* actually occurs (for widows too).
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Does he realize he can play a Brute in going Rogue, blueside, and have Super Strength.|
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He actually asked me "Do Scrappers have Super Strength yet? Thats the only thing that would get me to play again"
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It may only be one person, but he really did say he wanted to play a scrapper that feels strong (He is a hulk fan, that might be a factor)
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1) He sounds like he'll get bored anyway.
2) Explain to him that the Hulk is a Brute.
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On that same note, Spider-Man, while Super Strength, can't rip chucks of the ground out, handclap, or footstomp.
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Another Scrapper that could be named is Gladiator and/or Sentry.
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Whoa now. I cant think of why you'd put someone who can tear a god in half like a phonebook in the Land of Scrap. No other "stereotypical" scrappers do things even close to that.|
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In sort, I disagree.
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