A few questions about Kheldans


Dechs Kaison

 

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Hello all

I was playing around with the Peacebringer/Warshade classes, and if anything I've gotten very curious about the lore of the Kheldian race now. One item of lore that I can't quite figure out is the actual process that is gone through during the merger of a Kheldian/Nictus with another race. How does this work? Does a human go through some bureaucracy and "apply" to get a Kheldian? Do the Kheldian find and ask independently? What is the actual procedure to merge the two together? I read the back story guide at http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=114391 and BTW, thanks for posting that! Really makes me interested in the class. Just didn't see the answers there.

Also, I know that several of the CoH official comics deal with this subject, but off hand does anyone know which ones?

Thanks for any answers to my questions!


 

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I think the only comic that does has Horus becoming a Kheldian - essentially "you're hurt, I'm hurt, we can help each other, how about it?"

It's very much left up to the individual, with a few "general rules" -

- Peacebringers and Warshades will only merge with someone who agrees with it.
- Nictus tend to force their way in, or take advantage of their host-to-be (either though things like the "rent-a-bodies" the Council keeps handy, or slow conversion of Galaxies through Nictus fragments or the like.)

I'd assume there's at least one section with "Fill out form 194D1-K in triplicate," since the PPD has a Kheldian corps and it would be in character for a government division.


 

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Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill View Post
I think the only comic that does has Horus becoming a Kheldian - essentially "you're hurt, I'm hurt, we can help each other, how about it?"

It's very much left up to the individual, with a few "general rules" -

- Peacebringers and Warshades will only merge with someone who agrees with it.
- Nictus tend to force their way in, or take advantage of their host-to-be (either though things like the "rent-a-bodies" the Council keeps handy, or slow conversion of Galaxies through Nictus fragments or the like.)

I'd assume there's at least one section with "Fill out form 194D1-K in triplicate," since the PPD has a Kheldian corps and it would be in character for a government division.
I had forgotten about that comic. Who knew Kheldians had alien magic pertaining to cellphones? Where is THAT in my powerset?


 

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I think the only comic that does has Horus becoming a Kheldian - essentially "you're hurt, I'm hurt, we can help each other, how about it?"
Actually, wasn't it more like a Kheldian taking over a dead human body or something?

Either way, I'm pretty sure the comic is on the bottom when it comes to questions of canon and lore.

Regarding the question of how merging works, there's three cases where we have at least a rough idea what happened.

In the case of Sunstorm, a police offer of facing certain death at the hands of Vahzilok zombies and a Kheldian figured a "warrior" like that would be an idea candidate.

In the case of Moonfire, a dying Kheldian managed to grab the attention of an exchange student in Paragon City and the human agreed to merge to save the Kheldian.

In the case of Shadowfire, the same Nictus has been jumping from mother to daughter for millenia, upholding a sort of family tradition.

There's also the Peacebringer unit in the PPD that's never been much elaborated on, but I guess it can be assumed there's an organised effort to create Peacebringers between Kheldians and the PPD there.

So basically, anything from chance encounters to planned merging, anything goes.


 

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I'd like to offer up the backstory for my peacebringer.

He was a dying kheldian on a desolate planet, when by chance a human explorer happened by. The human was not willing to merge, but he offered the kheldian to "merge" with the fiber-optic based circuitry of his ship's artificial intelligence.

An being of light living in a light based computer seemed like a reasonable enough idea.


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I'd like to offer up the backstory for my peacebringer.
Well, if you're going to, I'll also offer up the backstory for my "Kheldian"

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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison View Post
I'd like to offer up the backstory for my peacebringer.

He was a dying kheldian on a desolate planet, when by chance a human explorer happened by. The human was not willing to merge, but he offered the kheldian to "merge" with the fiber-optic based circuitry of his ship's artificial intelligence.

An being of light living in a light based computer seemed like a reasonable enough idea.
Neat. But it does bring up the question of the kheldian lifespan. If it is still in light form while in the computer, does it age? One of the appeals to the khelds of merging is they can live a lot longer. I can see the argument from both sides, all the computer circuitry sending constant new light into the kheld keeping it renewed just like a living being. Or, it's still in light form so still ages.

I assume that you've decided the former?


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I assume that you've decided the former?
Of course. The circuitry sustains him, but there is a downside. Since there is no organic life form, he lost his ability to shapeshift (human only build). He can leave the circuitry for very short spans of time, though (Light Form).

That's what it took for me to justify it in my mind.


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I went for the pun . . .

Sue Sherman was a teenager who had been badly beaten by some Hellions. As she was trying to crawl away, she came upon Shee T'Karr, a Kheldian who had also been severely injured by the Hellions. For mutual survival, they merged to become . . .

"Sue-Shee"


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It seems reasonably open-ended. I used the "Kyle Rayner" method myself (with my own touches, of course). Kheldian encounters a homeless musician with no direction in an L.A. alleyway and they combine to become The Starguard.


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I went for the pun . . .

Sue Sherman was a teenager who had been badly beaten by some Hellions. As she was trying to crawl away, she came upon Shee T'Karr, a Kheldian who had also been severely injured by the Hellions. For mutual survival, they merged to become . . .

"Sue-Shee"

Ow...


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An abandoned Kheldian backstory I used was based on my dog shapeshifter, Element Dog. I wondered if a Kheldian, in the absense of any sentient lifeform, would choose a less intelligent one. I explained it as a superhero who already had shapeshifting ability, who had chosen to become a host to a Kheldian, was critically wounded and on the verge of death. When he happened upon a collie wandering in an alley, he used his powers to merge with the collie, allowing the combined being to be a suitable host for the Kheldian.

My Nictus, for when Going Rogue comes out, is also a "Kheldian comes across a human and offers to merge with him" backstory. He was a Nictus, but like most Warshades, tired of the fighting and wanting to merge with a willing host. Unfortunately, what he took for an Earth warrior fighting against Devouring Earth was actually a Skulls Gravedigger working his way up the ranks in his gang. So his host's evil tendencies will turn him back towards the Nictus side.

The rest of my Kheldians aren't really Kheldians.