SS and EM for Scrappers!!

Have any of these powersets ever been available for Scrappers. If so, why were they removed?
If not, do you think that they might be available for Scrappers any time in the future? I love both of these powers, but I'm sad that I have to be using a Brute or Tanker to be able to use them.

No, they've never been available on Scrappers. Yes, they will probably be available at some point in the future. Powerset proliferation is one of the goals of the devs. Many sets have been ported so far. Many more to come.

Now that EM has been completely neutered, it can probably be ported to scrappers without too many crying about it.

SS, however, would probably be nerfed pretty hard before it comes to scrappers. Not that I think it would be numerically OP (I know it has been speculatively theorized as more or less in line with other scrapper primaries), but the overall perception is that it would be just that. Brutes and tankers everywhere would probably be very upset.

Argue all you want, give me a direct port of SS. Once again : I'm completely fine with that.

I just hope that Super Strength gets ported soon, in whatever form they port it, so that this monthly argument can at least be about something real.

If it's balanced before being ported, there'd be no reason to argue. If it's ported as is, I know personally I'll be too busy playing it to post about it.

Looking at Billz thread, Scrapper Super Strength is below Martial Arts in Single Target DPS.

Assuming Billz didn't get the BEST of the BEST DPS attack string on it, how much better would it be?

I stand corrected Umbral. TY =)

I honestly couldn't think of a better thing to analogize though =( I do have to say that on my SS tanker, the rage crash is very annoying. I wouldn't like it on my scrapper either I would imagine.

It would be cool if NCSoft would hire on 50 temporary software engineers fix most or all of the major issues that players have with each powerset and then let them go. It would be awesome!

First of all, I hope the devs don't try to 'balance' SS based on perma double stacked rage, like some posters do, lol.

SS is one of the most over-rated sets in this game, based on all the cries of 'overpowered' I see in these forums. I like the set because I have a preference for melee and the concept of characters with super-strength. I think some are falsely swayed by the fact it's popular in large part because of that, and because the set relies on a couple of great powers balanced by a bunch of mediocre to lame powers, and also how some of the powers work (ie. the massive screen shake and booming sound effects - I remember someone listing similar reasoning for why they felt shield charge was overpowered outside of numbers).

Rage is a nice power, but even with the damage boost the power offers, SS doesn't blow other sets away in dmg output, it simply allows SS to do dmg on par with competing sets. Without rage, SS is a bottom feeder in dmg output, plain and simple. The accuracy bonus is nice, but overkill in the vast majority of game situations. And you pay for that with a glaringly annoying ten seconds of impotence, and an end crash that creates serious endurance issues with most combos. And the way the end hit is delivered, all in one shot, can be very problematic in a lot of situations. So in the end, you're using a power selection and slots to do dmg on par with other sets, and you get a great accuracy boost (in a game where hitting things is not very difficult in most cases) in exchange for endurance problems and an annoying ten second crash every two minutes. I'm not seeing that as overpowered at all. In terms of double stacked rage (which is not nearly as easy to create and maintain as some seem to imply), I'd gladly see it made non-stackable in exchange for removing the ridiculously unfun ten seconds of no damage every two minutes, and perhaps less of an end hit.

In terms of damage, it's single damage output is mediocre to subpar for brutes and tanks, and if you look at bills workup, even when ported to scrappers, it's not a top single target dmg set, so I'm not sure how anyone could cry 'overpowered' (of course the same cries could be heard by the calculator crew when katana got its animations tweaked, yet the game survived without becoming city of samurai...). Those who list the numbers on kob ignore the in game reality that in most cases it's just overkill. One, even with this high damage attack, SS is mediocre in terms of single target damage over time. Two, spending three seconds one-shotting a minion is no different than another set dropping it with two speedier attacks. Three, thanks to it's long animation, there are plenty of instances where all of the damage and end is wasted as you uppercut a corpse, lol. It's a very fun power, but nowhere near as powerful or valuable as some try to imply by simply posting numbers and ignoring how it actually works in the game.

As far as aoe goes, SS is definitely one of the better sets, but there are plenty of sets on par with it. Another power that gets tagged with 'overpowered' is footstomp, because some folks just post the numbers that support their position and ignore the other circumstances that do not. Footstomp is probably the best aoe attack in the game. But it should be because it's in a set that is devoid of aoe outside of footstomp, and its in a set with mediocre to subpar single target dmg, so it should have strong aoe abilities, and if it isn't getting a bunch of 'good' aoe powers, it should get one 'great one, and it does. FS basically supplies ALL of SS's aoe dmg and mitigation, and it comes at lvl 32/35, so it should be the best aoe attack in the game (don't even try to pass off handclap as a useable power, lol). If you weaken FS, the set will underperform. You simply cannot balance FS with other sets aoe powers, because the other sets have their aoe capabilities more evenly distributed throughout their powerset, where SS gets it all from this one power. If FS was weakened, then you would have to add a couple of cones/aoes to earlier powers, and/or buff handclap to compensate, or you end up with another crippled set like EM.