Lore Question: Praetoria?


Aggelakis

 

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I'm getting confused here. The CoH comic books show Praetorian earth as this desolated, destroyed earth, while the trailer shows it as this amazing looking city where the work is being done by Clockwork.
The Going Rogue page tells of Tilman and Aurora joining spirits and doing good for all
psychics out there
, but the comic shows her as this madwoman who turns people into drones.

So, is this just another Praetorian Earth, with the same characters, just in a diffrent setting? I'm starting to lose track.

-El


 

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I direct you to this thread where a discussion on this subject is already going on.

However, it occurs to me that the background of Praetoria is that the vast majority of Earth IS a dead, desolated wasteland, and only Paragon City is the Utopia that the game trailers show us. Plus, as has been mentioned, this is propaganda. We can't trust any of it.

All we do know is that the concept art from the original Praetorian missions has been updated and the characters look considerably different. Their backgrounds have also been fleshed out in much greater detail. But other than that they can be and probably still are the tyrants they were portrayed as.


 

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Originally Posted by El Bellaco View Post
I'm getting confused here. The CoH comic books show Praetorian earth as this desolated, destroyed earth, while the trailer shows it as this amazing looking city where the work is being done by Clockwork.
The Going Rogue page tells of Tilman and Aurora joining spirits and doing good for all
psychics out there
, but the comic shows her as this madwoman who turns people into drones.

So, is this just another Praetorian Earth, with the same characters, just in a diffrent setting? I'm starting to lose track.

-El
If I'm not mistaken, there are differen't praetorian earths. I could be wrong though.


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Originally Posted by El Bellaco View Post
I'm getting confused here. The CoH comic books show Praetorian earth as this desolated, destroyed earth, while the trailer shows it as this amazing looking city where the work is being done by Clockwork.
The Going Rogue page tells of Tilman and Aurora joining spirits and doing good for all
psychics out there
, but the comic shows her as this madwoman who turns people into drones.

So, is this just another Praetorian Earth, with the same characters, just in a diffrent setting? I'm starting to lose track.

-El
The Lore of Praetoria has been rewritten to accomodate Going Rogue.

Many things are still the same, but many things have also been changed. Tyrant and his Praetors are still evil (or at least gray), much of Praetorian Earth is still in ruins (but it isn't Tyrant's fault that the world is that way), and the Praetor Tilman bio is thought by many to be the Praetorian propaganda corps in action.

The city of Nova Praetoria is a bright spot in an otherwise devastated Earth. After Truman dropped a nuke on North Korea, the Hamidon achieved its full power and the Devouring Earth struck all over the globe. Cole, who had been retired from his Statesman identity, returned to action to deal with this threat. After he defeated Hamidon, the world was grateful and offered him the job of protecting the planet.

Nova Praetoria became Cole's seat of power, and it is a paradise surrounded by devastation.


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Thanks for the quick replies guys! Woah, that's quite a story. Can't wait to find out once Going Rogue comes out.

-El


 

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If I'm not mistaken, there are differen't praetorian earths. I could be wrong though.
There are a ton of different Earths/different dimensions, depending on who you ask and which part of the lore you're looking at (some say dimensions, some ascribe to "multiple worlds theory", which is similar to but not the same as different dimensions). There is only one Praetorian Earth (the one that Tyrant, et al, are from).


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Originally Posted by El Bellaco View Post
I'm getting confused here. The CoH comic books show Praetorian earth as this desolated, destroyed earth, while the trailer shows it as this amazing looking city where the work is being done by Clockwork.
The Going Rogue page tells of Tilman and Aurora joining spirits and doing good for all psychics out there, but the comic shows her as this madwoman who turns people into drones.

So, is this just another Praetorian Earth, with the same characters, just in a diffrent setting? I'm starting to lose track.

-El
Praetoria is getting a retcon in GR - the current Praetorian missions are going to be revamped, and the comic book should be viewd as an "elseworlds"´story


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Originally Posted by Aggelakis View Post
There are a ton of different Earths/different dimensions, depending on who you ask and which part of the lore you're looking at (some say dimensions, some ascribe to "multiple worlds theory", which is similar to but not the same as different dimensions). There is only one Praetorian Earth (the one that Tyrant, et al, are from).
That's why I said I could be wrong. Ty for the lesson.


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Praetoria is getting a retcon in GR - the current Praetorian missions are going to be revamped, and the comic book should be viewd as an "elseworlds"´story
The devs have said current Praetorian missions aren't going to be revamped until after GR. Their revamps won't be included with/alongside GR.


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The Lore of Praetoria has been rewritten to accomodate Going Rogue.
No it hasn't.

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Many things are still the same, but many things have also been changed. Tyrant and his Praetors are still evil (or at least gray), much of Praetorian Earth is still in ruins (but it isn't Tyrant's fault that the world is that way), and the Praetor Tilman bio is thought by many to be the Praetorian propaganda corps in action.
Correction: we don't know that it isn't Tyrant's fault that the world is in it's condition after the known information concerning his interaction with the Hamidon. We don't know how Tyrant feels about what he did.

We do know that the story that Tyrant and the Praetorian leadership isn't the same story that players experienced.

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The devs have said current Praetorian missions aren't going to be revamped until after GR. Their revamps won't be included with/alongside GR.
Their avatars and maps will be revamped. The canon stories are not being changed.

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Praetoria is getting a retcon in GR - the current Praetorian missions are going to be revamped, and the comic book should be viewd as an "elseworlds"´story
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Praetoria is not getting a retcon in Going Rogue. The Praetorion mission graphics are being upgraded. The stories that the players have experienced through Maria Jenkins and Tiny McIntyre are not changing.

What we are seeing on the Going Rogue webpage is an alternate view of the Prateorian Empire, as communicated by those in charge of the empires. The developers have been very explicit about exposing the duplicity in how Emporer Cole appears to his subjects, and how Tyrant appears to beings from other dimensions.

This further insight into the mental mechaniations of the Praetorian leadership will change existing points of view about them. What might be seen as maniacal and sociopathic in one light, might be painted as the only acceptable solution in another light.

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The Going Rogue page tells of Tilman and Aurora joining spirits and doing good for all psychics out there, but the comic shows her as this madwoman who turns people into drones.
And how do you know which one is correct? Both tell of the same event, Tilman and Aurora joining together. One paints Tilman as a evil villain. The other make her into a hero.

If you were her press agent, which one would YOU tell people about if you were promoting her? Oh yes, Mother Mayhem likes to Invade the Shadow Shard, Fight the Nemesis, oh and she erases people's minds and forcibly took over the wife of the guy leading the resistance...

ooorrr.. "She sacrificed her life, and her best friend decided to save her and sacrificed HER life instead"

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However, it occurs to me that the background of Praetoria is that the vast majority of Earth IS a dead, desolated wasteland, and only Paragon City is the Utopia that the game trailers show us. Plus, as has been mentioned, this is propaganda. We can't trust any of it.

All we do know is that the concept art from the original Praetorian missions has been updated and the characters look considerably different. Their backgrounds have also been fleshed out in much greater detail. But other than that they can be and probably still are the tyrants they were portrayed as.
This. The Praetoria as featured in the comics is real. We haven't seen outside the equivelent of the War Walls for Praetoria. Until the expansion hits, we probably won't.


 

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Praetoria is not getting a retcon in Going Rogue. The Praetorion mission graphics are being upgraded. The stories that the players have experienced through Maria Jenkins and Tiny McIntyre are not changing.
Someone is in for a bit of a surprise


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I'm pretty sure I remember it being said that they would, in fact, be retconning the existing Praetoria missions to match up with the info from/in GR...
I recall this as well.


 

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I'm pretty sure I remember it being said that they would, in fact, be retconning the existing Praetoria missions to match up with the info from/in GR...
No no, Je Saist is right! Always. Just ask her, she'll tell you. :P


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