I'm fine with it, I vote ok.
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I'm ok with it... but it's conditional on the amount of drama
Let's face it gang a bigger PvP community on Pinn wouldn't hurt, and part of the reason that the test PvPers irritated the hell out of this group was due to the elitist mentality. Denying access to a community event falls in line with that mentality. Bring em in, be good sports, have some fun.
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Voting no for NWS due to previous Pinn slamming.
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accepted...best time for all 5 of us is the weekends, as my schedule flips around at work and Jade is weekend only for the most part
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Originally Posted by Neuronia
We challenge NWS as well, let us know when you are available for a tilt.
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I have 3 people that have transfered toons to Pinn for this but and we are waiting on the 4th and 5th, my question now is, after reading the rules, where does it say that a team that posts a roster can be voted out survivor style before they even get a chance to have a match against anyone. I know there is a rule that says as long as the captains vote something it can be played on like the previous match with the tie and then the following rounds being fought as they were. No where does it say that the captains can say no to a team entering, so I would think that the roster would go up and then a challenge is made, if challenged team does not want to fight the challenger then they would just choose to forfiet. It is all for fun anyway, right. You would be amazed at how civil most people can be if they are not met with hostility immediately upon them posting anything. So again just really posting because I have 3 and waiting on the other 2 and didnt see the team can only enter the ladder by popular vote anywhere in the rules so I am kinda confused and if everyone else that tries to enter is gonna get the no vote then it is pointless to have anyone else transfer anything. And wouldn't letting more teams in solve the "haven't had a match in a month" problems.
We are really interested in joining up for some fun .
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^^^^^ Captains run league
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Originally Posted by JKwervo
I'd like to point this out. For those Captains that want to change something on the guidelines, this is how the league is ran. Unless Captains vote for it to be ran a different way. This is a CAPTAIN ran league. You want change, you talk it amongst other captains and call for a majority vote. This is just an FYI if people assume that the organizers are running the show. We are not.
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Originally Posted by Psyrene
I have 3 people that have transfered toons to Pinn for this but and we are waiting on the 4th and 5th, my question now is, after reading the rules, where does it say that a team that posts a roster can be voted out survivor style before they even get a chance to have a match against anyone. I know there is a rule that says as long as the captains vote something it can be played on like the previous match with the tie and then the following rounds being fought as they were. No where does it say that the captains can say no to a team entering, so I would think that the roster would go up and then a challenge is made, if challenged team does not want to fight the challenger then they would just choose to forfiet. It is all for fun anyway, right. You would be amazed at how civil most people can be if they are not met with hostility immediately upon them posting anything. So again just really posting because I have 3 and waiting on the other 2 and didnt see the team can only enter the ladder by popular vote anywhere in the rules so I am kinda confused and if everyone else that tries to enter is gonna get the no vote then it is pointless to have anyone else transfer anything. And wouldn't letting more teams in solve the "haven't had a match in a month" problems.
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For one read the name of the Thread Pinnacle Ladder League. Two we are aware of the now defunct Test ladder. Three we have already had Drama revolving around those types of people here in our Forums. See there would never have been an issue but it seems everyone wants to "bad mouth" Pinn and talk about how we suck at this and cant do that but everyone wants in here? Reality is after all of the Drama (and still some of the people wanting in are causing Drama as they ask Can I play in your sandbox) we really dont want it here.
And you ask about being voted in or out? IT's a Pinnacle Captains run league. Which means Captains have say over every aspect of how it run when it runs and why it runs. As well as who is allowed to "play in our Sorry Sandbox" as some of you folks have said of our league. I for one will not be in the league if Vex sets foot in it. I am sorry I have a bitter taste in my mouth about letting Test people in here but we were doing fine before and reeally dont need or want the drama. Go PvP on champion or liberty. Heck there is always someone in Zone on the King (freedom) server why cant you play intheir sandbox?
plenty of server just not this league (IMO)
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Baron and EnnVee are unavailable. Enigma88 will be off the grid for a week as well, so I will be acting as spokeswoman for Team 320.|
Originally Posted by EnnVee
Barron and I are part of 320, we are about to loose our internet for 7 to 14 days due to the company making service upgrades where we live. It may be best if NWS moves to another challenge for now. We will post as soon as our internet is stable again.
 sorry Jade, we loves you ! |
Right now, any challenges we recieve will have to wait until the team is back on the internet.
But anyone looking for a 1V1 or an extra for practice is welcome to contact me.
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I am placing the vote for Team 320. We vote yes to having more people to fight in Pinnacle. Just as long as the drama is left at the door. This vote is cast with reservation from all the flames that went on earlier in this thread. But plain and simple, it would be fun to have more people to fight. |
Originally Posted by Zeta Orionis
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There was a concern raised that the PinnLadder is dead. Why not bring in some new faces to liven it up again.
But if the flames and drama come back ... I say adiose.
I wish I would have head this off a lot sooner.
Being that this is a "captain run league," you may add, edit or remove rules as you see fit, which is clearly stated in the rules. Voting to not allow teams in is not a rule.
You can choose to add said rule, and the way the league was set up will allow for that, but if said rule is added, or any discriminatory rule for that matter, we will pull all prizing and PvPEC support.
I can't stop you from doing it, but it will not be a PvPEC event. If that doesn't matter to you, carry on. If it does, a PvPEC rep will have to grab the reigns here. Captain run with no PvPEC intervention will not remain a ruleset. You can have a captain run league, but a PvPEC rep needs to be present to maintain fairness.
Again, I wish I would have head this off a few months ago.
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Originally Posted by perilX
I wish I would have head this off a lot sooner.
Being that this is a "captain run league," you may add, edit or remove rules as you see fit, which is clearly stated in the rules. Voting to not allow teams in is not a rule. You can choose to add said rule, and the way the league was set up will allow for that, but if said rule is added, or any discriminatory rule for that matter, we will pull all prizing and PvPEC support. I can't stop you from doing it, but it will not be a PvPEC event. If that doesn't matter to you, carry on. If it does, a PvPEC rep will have to grab the reigns here. Captain run with no PvPEC intervention will not remain a ruleset. You can have a captain run league, but a PvPEC rep needs to be present to maintain fairness. Again, I wish I would have head this off a few months ago. |
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The PvPEC nor NCSoft will support any event that discriminates against people participating based simply on them causing a little drama.
We endorse more pvp for "everyone" and the only way a player can be banned from a PvPec event is with approval of myself or PerilX. If that is not satisfactory then as PerilX stated we will have to remove our support and NCSoft prize support as well.
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- The intent behind "captain run league" is basically "the captains can do whatever they want as long as most of them agree to it". Quibbling over whether or not the captains are allowed to do something isn't the direction to go.|
Originally Posted by perilX
You can choose to add said rule, and the way the league was set up will allow for that, but if said rule is added, or any discriminatory rule for that matter, we will pull all prizing and PvPEC support.
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- Lots of events have a list of people who are banned from entering. So what?
- I have no idea what you mean by "We will pull all prizing and PvPEC support". Can you explain this, because I had no idea there was any PvPEC support.
If you check the first page of this thread this event is a PvPEC sponsored event and NCSoft is providing the prizes at the request of the PvPEC. That means the rules of the event have to be consistent with not only the PvPEC rules but also consistent with NCSoft's rules in regards to what they are willing to endorse or support. They will not support (provide prizes, help with advertising, gold titles etc.) any event that discriminates against anyone participating. Neither will the PvPEC.
We are not trying to "quibble" over anything. We are just letting you guys know that the current way this ladder is being ran is not satisfactory with the PvPEC. The solutions are either...
- A PvPEC rep (probably Neuronia) will oversee the event and the rules must be fair to EVERYONE. It can continue to be Captain ran but banning teams or players from participating will not happen.
Or......
- Continue to run it as you are, remove the PvPEC name off of the event and provide your own prizes.
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Originally Posted by Garent
- The intent behind "captain run league" is basically "the captains can do whatever they want as long as most of them agree to it". Quibbling over whether or not the captains are allowed to do something isn't the direction to go.
- Lots of events have a list of people who are banned from entering. So what? - I have no idea what you mean by "We will pull all prizing and PvPEC support". Can you explain this, because I had no idea there was any PvPEC support. |
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We never received our prizes yet for being in first for july. So not really sure what prizes and support you're talking about. So we have three teams that say yes they want the drama to play, and three teams that don't. Technically Neuronia is the captain for my team and she wants them in, since we're split. So therefore i will be bowing out of the league. So gl hf.
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Originally Posted by perilX
I wish I would have head this off a lot sooner.
Being that this is a "captain run league," you may add, edit or remove rules as you see fit, which is clearly stated in the rules. Voting to not allow teams in is not a rule. You can choose to add said rule, and the way the league was set up will allow for that, but if said rule is added, or any discriminatory rule for that matter, we will pull all prizing and PvPEC support. I can't stop you from doing it, but it will not be a PvPEC event. If that doesn't matter to you, carry on. If it does, a PvPEC rep will have to grab the reigns here. Captain run with no PvPEC intervention will not remain a ruleset. You can have a captain run league, but a PvPEC rep needs to be present to maintain fairness. Again, I wish I would have head this off a few months ago. |
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I am aware that the prizes haven't been sent out yet. I was actually on the winning team for the Freedom league and haven't received my prize. I have been in talks with Paragon and it is due to Going Rogue pressure, which is understandable, albeit a bit excessive. Assuming this is resolved in a fair manner, those prizes should be available here real soon.
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Haven't people been banned from PERC events before? And stop using the word discrimination, because that's not what's happening here. Discrimination requires action being taken against a person based only upon what groups they belong to. If people were refusing entrance just because they weren't from Pinnacle that would work, but there are other reasons here.
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Originally Posted by CriticalKat
They will not support (provide prizes, help with advertising, gold titles etc.) any event that discriminates against anyone participating.
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LOL I leave and the **** hits the fan. Ah well. Ce la vie
ALSO...prior to this being lolsponsored by the PvPEC....this was never ran UNDER that banner. I, alone, had to contact mod08 since PvPEC was wrapped up with the LEAGUE. And we still haven't gotten our prizes. But that's besides the point.
So...in essence...the origination of this LADDER has never been under PvPEC umbrella. I only edited it to fill my lolquota to run an event for said Committee. But since I'm no longer in game and just waiting for my account to run out...it doesn't matter.
I only posted to clarify that ORIGINALLY, this ladder was not UNDER PVPEC.
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Challenge noted, I'm going to attempt to get a hold of the Rodent and company, but do not be too surprised if we have to hand you a forfeit. |
Originally Posted by Neuronia
KGB & Hardpunchers challenge Freakinasty. Let us know when is good for you.
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With changes to work schedule and Pie-ro being our alt and having a nasty schedule as well, I'm actually debating on dropping team for the remainder of the tourney to give Rodent ability to grab someone with a more forgiving schedule. My availability until September is iffy with work changes as I may be devoting more time to travel.
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Sorry DarkAngel but the counting Vote has to come from Enigma he is your Captain you say has no sway. Not to be rude but that is the same for my Co-Captain he voiced his opinion but he is not the counting Vote
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Originally Posted by DarkAngel17
I am placing the vote for Team 320. We vote yes to having more people to fight in Pinnacle. Just as long as the drama is left at the door. This vote is cast with reservation from all the flames that went on earlier in this thread. But plain and simple, it would be fun to have more people to fight.
There was a concern raised that the PinnLadder is dead. Why not bring in some new faces to liven it up again. But if the flames and drama come back ... I say adiose. |
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And either way the fact is these people are jerks and we really dont want to play wth them ya know what Im out. Not going to debate this anymore anyhow. IT was for a better cause and was actually building something here. But if the powers that be are going to try to force us to "choke down" rotten food and play with people that server only to ruin what they touch then im out. IT was a good run and looked like our team had won this month as well so we are not a push over team but honestly these test guys and their attitudes and egos are not wanted here. anyone else would have been welcome but I cannot begin to say how dissappointed I am in both the System the game and soem of the people. Later.|
Originally Posted by perilX
I wish I would have head this off a lot sooner.
Being that this is a "captain run league," you may add, edit or remove rules as you see fit, which is clearly stated in the rules. Voting to not allow teams in is not a rule. You can choose to add said rule, and the way the league was set up will allow for that, but if said rule is added, or any discriminatory rule for that matter, we will pull all prizing and PvPEC support. I can't stop you from doing it, but it will not be a PvPEC event. If that doesn't matter to you, carry on. If it does, a PvPEC rep will have to grab the reigns here. Captain run with no PvPEC intervention will not remain a ruleset. You can have a captain run league, but a PvPEC rep needs to be present to maintain fairness. Again, I wish I would have head this off a few months ago. |
I will team with you all feel free to hop on vent those of you that have it but as for the ladder Im done. I wont be forced to play with anyone by anyone regardless of the motivation. As well their is again the Prize issue Lame F'ing excuse Going Rogue. How much time and effort does it take to freakin log in and award prizes and take off. whatever
No one's done anything, really. The drama was perpetuated on both sides. You never refused to play with people guilty of it who you already knew.
It's just biased. If you don't want more teams here, that's fine, but let's not make it into something else. No one came here to ruin whatever you had here. It's just that transfers are free, so people decided tossing some alts to compete in this server Ladder would help with more matches between this and the Test Ladder. If you just dip, it's pretty silly.
All that happened was a roster posted. Suddenly everything's so serious. It's just a game, and no one came in doing anything at all.
Psy, as far as I know, wasn't involved in what happened before, yet he was basically told he wouldn't be allowed to compete either.
I honestly don't get it. You just created an issue entirely on your own in this instance.
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Likewise....whether or not these teams can be, must be, or will be allowed in....our team is not going to sit and discuss it anymore, nor will we be bullied or badgered into having someone tell us who we have to pvp with....Team Face Grape is withdrawing....GL and HF to anyone bothering to stay and deal with the mess and drama
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Originally Posted by Blacier
And either way the fact is these people are jerks and we really dont want to play wth them ya know what Im out. Not going to debate this anymore anyhow. IT was for a better cause and was actually building something here. But if the powers that be are going to try to force us to "choke down" rotten food and play with people that server only to ruin what they touch then im out. IT was a good run and looked like our team had won this month as well so we are not a push over team but honestly these test guys and their attitudes and egos are not wanted here. anyone else would have been welcome but I cannot begin to say how dissappointed I am in both the System the game and soem of the people. Later.
I will team with you all feel free to hop on vent those of you that have it but as for the ladder Im done. I wont be forced to play with anyone by anyone regardless of the motivation. As well their is again the Prize issue Lame F'ing excuse Going Rogue. How much time and effort does it take to freakin log in and award prizes and take off. whatever |
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The only mess and drama here is what originated from xfunk's original post. Like vex said, a roster was posted and nothing more, but your refusal to let us compete in this public PVPeC sponsored event has caused things to be blown way out of proportion, like you just stated. Free server transfers are out from Going Rogue, so we decided to hop over here for some PvP and to play the game. That IS what we're all trying to do isnt it? why else would we pay 15 bucks a month. There was no malicious intent and I personally just think its a matter of you caring about your untarnished, undefeated record. Xfunk quoted zeta earlier, which we can all agree on was un-called for, but is xfunk really so innocent himself? as the co-leader of a team he should most definately be setting the example. I've played on pinnacle for quite some time until departing because the pvp was dead, but as it stands the only thing keeping us out of the "ladder league" is xfunk's ability to catch zeta in the act, and my personal preference of not saving chat logs. Oh well, im sure ill be able to catch xfunk talking trash to some random is zone, so im not so worried about it. Nobody is perfect, neither are you.|
Originally Posted by Dark_0mega
Likewise....whether or not these teams can be, must be, or will be allowed in....our team is not going to sit and discuss it anymore, nor will we be bullied or badgered into having someone tell us who we have to pvp with....Team Face Grape is withdrawing....GL and HF to anyone bothering to stay and deal with the mess and drama
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I appologize to kara and everyone else who has had to deal with this BS
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This whole thing is ridiculous, aside from the fact that we are labeled "*****" there is no justified reason for our team to be banned from playing. We have done nothing wrong, simply posted our roster because we, like most of you i'm sure, enjoy pvp'ing and we will go to whichever server has team matches set-up.|
Originally Posted by Dark_0mega
Likewise....whether or not these teams can be, must be, or will be allowed in....our team is not going to sit and discuss it anymore, nor will we be bullied or badgered into having someone tell us who we have to pvp with....Team Face Grape is withdrawing....GL and HF to anyone bothering to stay and deal with the mess and drama
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For you to drop out based solely on the fact that we have what you call an "elitist mentality" seems like an over-reaction to me. Personally I haven't been on pinn, nor near this forum in over a year and yet I will not be allowed to play with my team because of some sort of forum drama that happened, that seems like descrimination to me, seeing as I haven't done anything to be banned yet I will not be allowed to play with the team I chose.
It's honestly just a game, and elitist mentality or not, our team joining the league would add another team to play against, which at the moment it seems like you need more of, whether or not we will win is a whole other story.
If you're going to sit here and ban every player that has ever griefed/trolled/trash talked/had an elitist mentality/or said anything remotely "*******" then guranteed a lot of these teams would be without players.
To my team mates in NWS and also to Facegrape and the Hardpunchers....
I'm normally available on the weekends whenever it is needed for the PvP matches. However on weekdays... I am still at work when you guys are on. The earliest I am available on weekdays is at 7pm HST... which is basically 12am CST/Midnight for you guys. This Saturday 8/21 I will not be available (I will be hopping on briefly to join a scheduled CoP run, though). But the other Saturday's and Sunday's look good.
We do have 5 members, though. So if necessary, perhaps he can pick up my weekday unavailability? I dunno. Whatever my team mates decide is fine with me.