Vet Rewards

You seem to have a position with the consistency of jello.

Which are you trying to claim:

a) You should be able to pre-buy vet rewards now
b) You should be able to back buy vet rewards now
c) Vet rewards aren't actually vet rewards but some form of financial wizardry independent of said vet rewards

If you don't think you have meandered around on these disparate positions you have.

Perhaps if you stick with what the Vet Rewards are you will be less confused.

They are given by the company to reward loyalty for subscribing to the game. They are not awarded in advance because they are thank yous under the expectation the subscriber is playing the game not a thank you for advance payments. We get that with the discounted amount for pre-payments.

All I'm really trying to say is I don't see a difference between company loyalty by prepurchasing large amounts of game time and company loyalty by by someone who has actually played month to month for the same period of time. Each person contributes the same amount of money to the game. And if, as you say, vet rewards are rewards for company loyalty then they should be available to both of these people.

Now if you want to say that it is different because each person contributes a different amount of time to the game then that is fine. But if that is your stand then vet rewards should be tied to the amount of time spent logged into the game, not the amount of time you have had your account for, which is why I brought up people being able to prepurchase game time then not log in for 12 months.

Its more than possible that I'm not explaining myself clearly so let me try and sort it out.

Person A has been playing regularly for 12 months.

Person B prepurchased 12 months of game time 12 months ago but has not played since doing so.

Person C has just started playing and has prepurchased 12 months of game time.

Its sort of like that math thing I (dimly) remember from high school.

A=B Because they both receive vet rewards
B=C Because they have both shown the same level of "loyalty" to the company.

Thus A=C and C should be receiving the same level of vet rewards as the other two.

NO! C can cancel the account before the 12 months are up and A and B have shown their loyalty by actually BEING SUBSCRIBED (past tense) for 12 months. C has not. A and B can not cancel time already played/paid.

A = B =/=C

Edit - And please stop thinking the devs have not thought or heard of this. They KNOW. Some things are not about money, but just a thanks - nothing more, nothing less. If they want infusions of money, they are able to come up with all kinds of ways to do so.

Wait, wait, this might all be the a faulty knowledge bit on my part here. Can you get refunded for money spent prepurchasing game time? E.g If I right now went and purchased 12 months of game time then tomorrow decided to cancel my account will I be refunded that amount of money. If so then you are entirely right and I have been arguing this under a false pretense. If, however, once you have paid for playtime you cannot get it back then indeed A=B=C.

True and false. four 1-year, non-reoccurring PayPal payments would let you accrue 48 months.

Thankfully, this is one game that hasn't given in ultimately to greed.


to the OP -

Money CAN NOT buy everything in CoH.

Why not?
It is simply unfair to a subscriber (especially a veteran) if others can buy things in game with real world money that others spent "time" to obtain.

As far as I'm concerned that includes inf, levels, vet rewards, etc.

It should be obvious by now that the DEVs of CoH have taken a great amount of time to thwart the influence of RMT's and others that would exploit/cheat in this game.

There should be no expectation that you would be able to buy vet rewards, inf, or levels in this game - EVER.

If you do manage to purchase these things with real world money, you are doing it through methods that could lead your character/account/you to be banned, canceled, or (in case of a character) deleted. If you don't believe me, check the EULA and Rules of Conduct.

Play to play. Don't bother trying to pay "to be cool".
Go some place else if you want to buy your way to the top. It seems to work pretty well in the real world - good luck out there.

PS
QED - Mr Mister is ignored.

We start at 18 here - woot

Wow... I know you may have ignored me Alt_aholic but really, calm down. I'm not trying to impede your game at all, and getting so upset about something like this can't be good for your health. I'm not upset on my side, I'm just trying to have a reasonable logical discussion.

Let me just state that I do, indeed, play to play. I have a Bots MM so that I can solo and have time to read all the mission descriptions. I also have a Brute that I love to team on. I have never, nor do I ever intend to, purchase Inf with RL money or pay someone to powerlevel my characters.

Now in regards to my question above regarding refunding game time once purchased.

Taken from the NCSoft site, I couldn't find any that actually use the word refund but that may just be because of my weazk search-fu. So logically A=B=C

Also, I am neither playing to be cool, or to get to the top (how do you even get to the top in CHV anyway??). As I stated I mostly want the nifty little powers that make my altititis a little easier in the lower levels. (Only been back a couple of weeks and I already have 15 toons below level 10).

C has to wait for the time to be spent, as clearly stated in the FAQ.

Besides which you got the formula wrong because C has spent zero months. Thus A = B != C.

C has not shown the same level of loyalty as they did not have access to the game.

Think of it this way:
Let's say that Disney has a similar system to the vet rewards program. Every three months of access entitles the person a reward.

Person A goes buys a month pass each month for 12 months. He has had access to the rides for 12 months and gets 4 rewards.

Person B prepays for 12 months but can't make it to the park, but he has had access to the rides for 12 months and gets 4 rewards.

Person C prepays for 12 months but this is his first day, but he has had access to the rides for 0 months and gets 0 rewards.

Person D buys 12 months over the course of two years, he has had access to the rides for 12 months and gets 4 rewards.

A equals B equals D but does not equal C.

A = B = D =/= C

No. Read the EULA.

Doing so would likely get your account banned for life.

You failed algebra, huh?

And have failed to show any beyond "I want it now!"

Except, as shown above, C does not equal A or B.

The Veteran Rewards system is equally fair to everyone. The system was explained clearly before it started. If you want a particular reward, play the game and look forward to it. Failing to do so will get you labelled as a Plantar Wart aka Veruca Salt singing "I want it NOW!":

Notice any similarities between the requests for having the vet rewards outside the program and this song? Good.

What? Okay so you're still focused on the travel power reward huh? The following shows that there are options besides vet rewards or taking dedicated powers:

Real money options:
Mini-booster: Temporary 30 Day Jetpack $5, 30 real days unlimited flight power on all characters on the account.
Super Booster IV: Martial Arts grants Ninja Run, level 4 onward on all characters.
Good Vs Evil in-game pack (or if the account doesn't have it, the full GvE edition): Pocket D Teleport and Jump Jet (though that is only 30 seconds at a time.)

30 real days temp powers:
Christmas Event (for candy canes) or Holiday cheer (random): 30 real days Jingle Jet unlimited flight power.

30 minute Temp powers:
Siren's Call: you can buy Flight, Teleport, or Super Leap from the Siren's Call mercenaries if your faction is winning the zone.

Non-consecutive lasting temp powers:
Level 1 onward, park your character in either Firebase Zulu (or other Shadow Shard) or Grandville for a max 30 minute (renewable) Jetpack. Get the Commuter or Pilot day job badges to refuel at any train station or Arachnos flier as well.
Level 1 onward go to Firebase Zulu or Grandville and purchase a Jetpack for 10,000 Inf.
Level 5-9 (50-50 chance at level 10), or with help do the Atlas Park Safeguard or Mayhem mission: Reward is a 2 hour Jetpack. (Can get once per character.)
Level 11-14 (50-50 chance at level 10 or 15), or with help do the Kings Row Safeguard or Mayhem mission: Reward is a 2 hour Jump Jet. (Can get once per character.)
Level 15-19 Villains - Steal a Goldbricker's Rocket Pack: 90 minutes of flight.
Level 20-24 Villains - Sky Raider Flight Pack 60 minutes of flight. (You can flash back to get this multiple times.)
Level 25 onward for both sides: Ouroborus Portal

Introduced with Issue 17:
The second of the new Positron's TFs has a Jet Pack as well.

All these options are available to all players.

As for other temp powers, see this list:
http://wiki.cohtitan.com/wiki/Temp_Powers

The options are there, you just have to see them.

Class dismissed.

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100% agreed.

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While this is true, there is no other easily available measure that can be applied. When you are screening job applicants, IN THE ABSENCE OF OTHER INFORMATION, a person with 5 years experience is assumed to be more knowledgeable than someone with 1 year of experience.

Same thing with the vet rewards. Sure, the guy with 6 years of vet rewards might be a total moron. But you'll have to find that out the hard way.

(shrug)
It's human nature. I don't think we can come up with a better explanation than that (unless someone here has a background in behavioral science).

Oh, don't start that BS in this thread too.
It's fair because everyone gets treated the same way.
It's too bad if YOU don't like it, but that doesn't make it unfair.

I think whining about people whining has to take the cake, honestly.

You're the expert on whining about people whining. You make that accusation whenever anyone tells you that you have to wait for vet rewards to unlock just like everyone else.

What? Okay so you're still focused on the travel power reward huh? The following shows that there are options besides vet rewards or taking dedicated powers:

Real money options:

• Mini-booster: Temporary 30 Day Jetpack $5, 30 real days unlimited flight power on all characters on the account.
• Super Booster IV: Martial Arts grants Ninja Run, level 4 onward on all characters.
• Good Vs Evil in-game pack (or if the account doesn't have it, the full GvE edition): Pocket D Teleport and Jump Jet (though that is only 30 seconds at a time.)

30 real days temp powers:

• Christmas Event (for candy canes) or Holiday cheer (random): 30 real days Jingle Jet unlimited flight power.

30 minute Temp powers:

• Siren's Call: you can buy Flight, Teleport, or Super Leap from the Siren's Call mercenaries if your faction is winning the zone.

Non-consecutive lasting temp powers:

• Level 1 onward, park your character in either Firebase Zulu (or other Shadow Shard) or Grandville for a max 30 minute (renewable) Jetpack. Get the Commuter or Pilot day job badges to refuel at any train station or Arachnos flier as well.
• Level 1 onward go to Firebase Zulu or Grandville and purchase a Jetpack for 10,000 Inf.
• Level 5-9 (50-50 chance at level 10), or with help do the Atlas Park Safeguard or Mayhem mission: Reward is a 2 hour Jetpack. (Can get once per character.)
• Level 11-14 (50-50 chance at level 10 or 15), or with help do the Kings Row Safeguard or Mayhem mission: Reward is a 2 hour Jump Jet. (Can get once per character.)
• Level 15-19 Villains - Steal a Goldbricker's Rocket Pack: 90 minutes of flight.
• Level 20-24 Villains - Sky Raider Flight Pack 60 minutes of flight. (You can flash back to get this multiple times.)
• Level 25 onward for both sides: Ouroborus Portal

Introduced with Issue 17:

• The second of the new Positron's TFs has a Jet Pack as well.

All these options are available to all players.

As for other temp powers, see this list:
http://wiki.cohtitan.com/wiki/Temp_Powers

The options are there, you just have to see them.

Class dismissed unless you can show how the vet rewards City Traveller out-powers the above available alternatives. I promise to repost this list every time I see you make the silly statement above until you come up with an answer.

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Originally Posted by Dispari I don't know why Dink thinks she's not as sexy as Jay was. In 5 posts she's already upstaged his entire career.

I think the argument is that the City Traveller vet reward frees up a power selection. Sadly the people making that argument are ignoring the fact that the various temporary travel powers we have available free up two power choices.

Thanks to the temp powers we never have to take a permanent travel power.

I believe that was my point.

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Yeah but you used many words and facts that make some peoples heads hurt with their common sense and logic.

Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison See, it's gems like these that make me check Claws' post history every once in a while to make sure I haven't missed anything good lately.

And some of us have more than one account and while on our first account we have the most recent Vet Rewards we still patiently wait on our other accounts to get there and don't whine, badger and troll demanding our (the real person) loyalty be rewarded onto our other accounts.

We are the only ones who truly have the experience of knowing what we are missing.