I17 and double the size: 100k -> 200k!


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We squeed a bit awhile back, yeah.

I'm still pretty happy about it though - currently I'm working on a mission that's about 95% done and sitting at something like 96% of the soon-to-be-old file size, so this couldn't have come at a better time for me.


 

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Yeah, now we can have twice as many unbalanced eyesores in our arcs.

Whether we want them or not.


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If you don't want, don't use.
To mangle Arbiter Fabulous, that is woefully inadequate "because I have to play your arcs".

I've reviewed over 150 arcs. I haven't seen a single one that would have been improved in any meaningful sense by adding more custom mobs. I have seen lots that would probably have benefited had the architect forgone using a custom faction and used a stock one instead. Stock factions are better balanced, have better diversity both in terms of number of mob designs and the abilities of individual mobs, and come with a pre-packaged background that is already familiar to the players.

There are two points here that everyone is going to hate but they're completely true. The first is that the custom critter editor was not designed for the creation of entire factions even if that was the intent (if it was, it failed); it was designed to create characters similar to players. The problem is mobs aren't similar to players. The editor will only produce things graphically that look like players, not mobs, which is not what you want when you're building an army as opposed to an individual. This goes for powers as well. You're limited to powers players can actually have and you can only choose two sets, not mix and match across the entire list (which would really screw balance if you could). Nor can you tune those powers aside from assigning mob rank. Look at how many mobs in the game this is not true of. You are hard-pressed to duplicate something as basic as a 5th/Council Boss in the editor. You can't even try to make a Zeus Titan. The simple truth is the system is best used to design individual characters, or at best a unit type to be added to a stock faction.

The other truth people don't want to accept is that providing more choices is not inherently good. If you provide the average user with the choice to shoot himself in the head he probably will. Then he'll blame you for providing the choice, and he'd be right. More choices are better when the new choices have the effect of providing more improved outcomes than worse ones. This isn't one of those changes. Adding more custom mobs isn't going to improve anyone's arcs, and there's nothing else to do with the space, so there's just nothing to get excited about here.


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To mangle Arbiter Fabulous, that is woefully inadequate "because I have to play your arcs".
No, you do not. You choose to.

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The other truth people don't want to accept is that providing more choices is not inherently good. If you provide the average user with the choice to shoot himself in the head he probably will. Then he'll blame you for providing the choice, and he'd be right.
And yet there are a lot of people out there with access to a gun who have managed to not shoot themselves in the head yet.

And as for blaming me, well there are those people who blame Oreo cookies for making their kids fat. They're not right either.


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No, you do not. You choose to.
The only way not to would be not to play other peoples' arcs.

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And yet there are a lot of people out there with access to a gun who have managed to not shoot themselves in the head yet.
Actually, as far as MA is concerned, not only do the poor uses of custom critters far outweigh the good, custom critters enabled people to not merely shoot themselves in the head, but everyone else too. Or maybe you hadn't noticed that it was abuse of customs that resulted in the current Patch From Hell?

For that matter, haven't about 90% of the problems with MA boiled down to abuse of customs?


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And I looked, and behold a pale, beaten and dead horse: and his name that sat on him was Venture, and thread derailment followed with him...


 

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The only way not to would be not to play other peoples' arcs.
And by doing so you essentially acknowledge that the majority of them will be crap. No matter what tools are provided, the majority of everything is crap.

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Actually, as far as MA is concerned, not only do the poor uses of custom critters far outweigh the good, custom critters enabled people to not merely shoot themselves in the head, but everyone else too. Or maybe you hadn't noticed that it was abuse of customs that resulted in the current Patch From Hell?

For that matter, haven't about 90% of the problems with MA boiled down to abuse of customs?
Malaise Lunatic farms: Standard critters. Meow farms: Standard critters. Bubble farms: Standard critters. The Mastermind thing: Standard critters.

Also, as Fredrik said, people using customs to farm generally only need one or two.


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The problems haven't been caused by the number of different customs you can make. The ally exploit would still have been possible even if we could just make one custom mob per mission.
But not if you could only place them as details.


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Yeah, now we can have twice as many unbalanced eyesores in our arcs.
I hate to break it to you, but we can now have many times more unbalanced eyesores than that: it seems pohsyb (or another programmer) has begun storing custom critter data in memory with more reasonable encoding rather than the written-out english form they've been using before (which is almost, but not quite, identical to the form it exists on local disk). This means a custom critter that takes up 7k on disk might be taking up only 2k in memory or less (I haven't measured explicitly yet, but others have noted the size discrepancy and I know it was on the list of things to do eventually).

Hopefully, the new custom settings will make those unbalanced eyesores a little less unbalanced, or at least allow for people to theoretically make less unbalanced eyesores. Unfortunately, Ultra Mode is likely to make those eyesores now High Definition eyesores. You might want to consider investing in some customized polarizing sunglasses for use during arc reviews.


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Venture, has it occured to you that being the "Stop Having Fun Guys" guy isn't earning you too many friends?

Ah well, this will allow me to make my "faction with 10 bosses" dream a reality! woohoo!


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I really don't care what anyone says. The thing is that I enjoy making attractive custom characters that make sense and form a cohesive group. Problem with that before was, custom groups would take up an helluva lot of space. So for legitimate authors, who want have more space for creativity have just gotten their wish. Nothing wrong with that.


 

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I hate to break it to you, but we can now have many times more unbalanced eyesores than that:
Oh, rapture.

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Unfortunately, Ultra Mode is likely to make those eyesores now High Definition eyesores. You might want to consider investing in some customized polarizing sunglasses for use during arc reviews.
Eh, I only have a GT240 (which I just got today...about the best I could do without buying a new power supply). Limits the damage.

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The thing is that I enjoy making attractive custom characters that make sense and form a cohesive group.
The vast majority of the customs I've seen are none of these three, never mind all of them.

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Venture, has it occured to you that being the "Stop Having Fun Guys" guy isn't earning you too many friends?
Do you seriously expect to make friends on the internet?


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Do you seriously expect to make friends on the internet?
I have and continue to do so! In fact some of us in VU are getting together over the summer for a LAN party and...

Oh wait, you wouldn't know about that because you got yourself kicked for being a meanie head. Nvmnd carry on!


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VU?