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Posted on: 2010-04-27 10:18 in Roleplaying
The CoT date back to the dawn of human civilisation, so yes they predate the greeks :P
Nemesis himelf hadn't found trans-reality travel at this point so that doesn't count :P
Eh, I'll not say more about the whole psionics thing.
Oh sure IC I say the bullets missed, but by the logic of 'I can do/survive that in game' then I can say a normal human can be filled with lead and just kneel down and be fine.
Also, a gang of powerless thugs are the most powerful force in the universe.
Erm...Nemesis started off as a simple Prussian toy maker...so he WAS human in Paragons reality, he didn't discover trans-reality travel until after Portal corp.
Reading through the story of portal corp makes me think he discovered it at -exactly- the same time...
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Originally Posted by Omega_Chief
The CoT date back to the dawn of human civilisation, so yes they predate the greeks :P
Nemesis himelf hadn't found trans-reality travel at this point so that doesn't count :P Eh, I'll not say more about the whole psionics thing. Oh sure IC I say the bullets missed, but by the logic of 'I can do/survive that in game' then I can say a normal human can be filled with lead and just kneel down and be fine. Also, a gang of powerless thugs are the most powerful force in the universe. |
Thugs aren't that powerful on their own, it's their Masterminds secondary that makes them powerful.
They'd obviously have experience fighting Meta-humans since they aren't dead, crippled or in prison, in a world with Meta-human gangs that would be attempting to take their turf, that's not counting the local deadly flora and fauna like the snakes.
So we've got a bunch of people who have experience fighting dirty against 'stronger' targets, backed up by support from gadgets or some other source.
Starting to sound a lot like Malta, who are one of the high threat groups in the game.
As for the kneeling thing I'd say there are more than enough CoX canon technoligies to allow for some one to heal over time, heck if we are going for the flesh wound idea, then they could be kneeling down while rummaging through a first aid box for some iodine and bandages.
Psionics I don't mind the idea of, some subset of human or an entirely different species that can breed with normal humans, only those with pure enough blood gaining powers and thus being such a rare thing through history.
According to some one else, the events in Crotoa were caused by the Banished Panthelon who are likely to have their own power source, rather than the one massively toned down by the box.
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Originally Posted by Dr_Mechano
Erm...Nemesis started off as a simple Prussian toy maker...so he WAS human in Paragons reality, he didn't discover trans-reality travel until after Portal corp.
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Nemesis is from Primal Earth?
I thought he was from other dimension, where he'd taken over the Earth?
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Yush Nemesis is from Primal Earth, those other dimensions you see are where one of many Nemesis polys weren't thwarted by heroes and successful. Each of those dimensions had their own Nemesis who was more successful than our own.
On Praetorian Earth he died a happy toy maker and never went supervillain for example.
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I thought all those other Earths were just one massive inter dimensional empire, all ruled by one singular 'real' Nemesis.
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Originally Posted by Dr_Mechano
Yush Nemesis is from Primal Earth, those other dimensions you see are where one of many Nemesis polys weren't thwarted by heroes and successful. Each of those dimensions had their own Nemesis who was more successful than our own.
On Praetorian Earth he died a happy toy maker and never went supervillain for example. |
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Nope...all different Nemesises...Nemesi?
Infact there's mention that Nemesis doesn't like the fact his interdimensional duplicates had been successful and sometimes takes the fight to them!
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Not true, actaully.|
Originally Posted by CactusBrawler
Still couldn't one hit you, player characters can not be one hit. It's possible that some how you could be hit hard enough that the D.O.T component of an attack could take you down, but that mechanically counts as two hits. In an in character sense, I've always explained it as the medical systems stabilizing a person prior to teleporting them. Of course that's just my opinion on the IC/GP mesh, others are likely to disagree. |
Otherwise the custom boss in the AE mish I was testing out wouldnt have been able to use BU+Headsplitter to one shot me. Which he msot definately did.
Unless PvP mechanics stop one-shotting, which is more than possible, given how wierded up they are.
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.
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Technically Mech some Nemesises do rule multi earth empires, the Nemesis from primal earth has at least one other earth in his intra-reality empire, no to mention abses in teh shadow shard.
And no CB, there's no unified Nemesis Emprie ebtween realities, there is in fact a rather large war going on between rival Nemesis Empries in the multiverse.
See if people actually read the portal corps mission dialogue instead of jsut using them to farm we wouldn't have this confusion.
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Originally Posted by Omega_Chief
Just to counter the Game Mechanics vs RP, I hate that so gods damn much, if we go off game mechanics we can have a street gng member fill us with lead from a machine gun and not have to worry about it until burst number six, so personally I don't think basing what you can do in RP soley off 'I can do it in game though!' is a good idea.
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IC vs Game Mechanic, Chief, Vixen, Wolf and Fox shouldnt have to take ANY damage from simple machine guns (except the sort of anti-everything ammunition folks like Malta would pack), due to armour and being made out of metal. Sure, they worry about other things, like flamethrowers, sonic cannons and giant, super-strength wieldeding claws, blades and massive missile launchers.
Some things we just have to hand wave, hate them though we may.
Like the fact im coming to realise, that it's impossible to make the Chief properly in game until they give us a PPD hardsuit powerset with guns/armour combo =[
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.
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Nemeses, I'd think.
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Originally Posted by Dr_Mechano
Nope...all different Nemesises...Nemesi?
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Sam: "My mind is a swirling miasma of scintillating thoughts and turgid ideas."
Max: "Me too."
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And that Tech, is the point I'm making, RPwise we have to understand we are at a point divorced from game mechnics, thus saying 'But I can do it with game mechnics so I must be able to IC!' just doesn't hold water in my eyes.
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Are you sure there were no other sources of damage? A minion or LT attack at the same time? You were at 100% HP when the fight began?|
Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
Not true, actaully.
Otherwise the custom boss in the AE mish I was testing out wouldnt have been able to use BU+Headsplitter to one shot me. Which he msot definately did. Unless PvP mechanics stop one-shotting, which is more than possible, given how wierded up they are. |
I'm pretty sure all attacks in the game are incapable of reducing a players HP by 100%
I think the same mechanic is why you can plummet and drop down to 1hp, but never be killed no matter how long the fall is.
I suspect this is more to balance Giant Monsters, how unfair would it to be one shotted by a giant monster as you're loading out a mission?
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You see that wasn't the impression I got from it, I got the impression that the warring factions were led by Fake Nemesis each thinking they were the real one, meanwhile the real one watches amused while drinking a sherry watching as an elite force rises from the veterans of these Nemesis wars and then snarfing them for his private army.
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Originally Posted by Omega_Chief
Technically Mech some Nemesises do rule multi earth empires, the Nemesis from primal earth has at least one other earth in his intra-reality empire, no to mention abses in teh shadow shard.
And no CB, there's no unified Nemesis Emprie ebtween realities, there is in fact a rather large war going on between rival Nemesis Empries in the multiverse. See if people actually read the portal corps mission dialogue instead of jsut using them to farm we wouldn't have this confusion. |
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Nope, not the impression at all, and it makes sense drawing from other sources too.
What you've said is what he'd like you to think was happening :P
I do hate Xanatous Roulette.
I have a friend who does it all the time in TCGs ¬_¬
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I can let you fight the bugger if you like, once I add Build up back onto him. Katana/Regen Scrapper, level 32. One shot, one kill. It was just the boss. Trust me on this one, it was a rather distinct Oo moment.
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Originally Posted by CactusBrawler
Are you sure there were no other sources of damage? A minion or LT attack at the same time? You were at 100% HP when the fight began?
I'm pretty sure all attacks in the game are incapable of reducing a players HP by 100% I think the same mechanic is why you can plummet and drop down to 1hp, but never be killed no matter how long the fall is. I suspect this is more to balance Giant Monsters, how unfair would it to be one shotted by a giant monster as you're loading out a mission? |
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.
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That, at least, is incorrect. The 'you can't fall to your death' (doom being a different matter) mechanic existed long before the 'you can't be one-shotted' mechanic, which I vaguely thought was PvP only; brought in due to Stalkers.
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Originally Posted by CactusBrawler
I think the same mechanic is why you can plummet and drop down to 1hp, but never be killed no matter how long the fall is.
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My point was pretty much that that kind of thing gets abused, and was in this case.|
Originally Posted by Omega_Chief
And that Tech, is the point I'm making, RPwise we have to understand we are at a point divorced from game mechnics, thus saying 'But I can do it with game mechnics so I must be able to IC!' just doesn't hold water in my eyes.
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I find myself doing exactly the opposite. I have to explain away game mechanics. So, Gunwitch, with no defense really, she's going to be a Corruptor, will be able to survive someone spewing lead at her for weeks by the time she's level 20, never mind 50. That makes no sense since a good hit with a machine gun burst should rip her open. So, she dodges bullets (or whatever), and her health bar is an indication of how her 'luck' is running at not getting hit.
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Admittedly my recollection might be a little off, but I can't recall ever being one hitted by anything, even GM's and bosses even when trying to do level 1 runs to Crotoa for double the costume goodness.
Been group one shotted though where a spawn turns on you and WTF owns you in a wave of hits.
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I just say my 'bullet-vulnerable' characters wear super-suits by Edna Mode. 
"If I had Force powers, vacuum or not my cape/clothes/hair would always be blowing in the Dramatic Wind." - Tenzhi
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Drain Psyche ties into something along these lines for Fear Trigger. Her HP bar is basically the integrity of the psychic field protecting her. Once it gets to 0, something's broken through and done a number on her. By utilizing her mental abilities to drain the will of others (AKA, the Regen/-Regen Foe component of Drain Psyche), she can keep the field going strong and regenerating.|
Originally Posted by Ravenswing
My point was pretty much that that kind of thing gets abused, and was in this case.
I find myself doing exactly the opposite. I have to explain away game mechanics. So, Gunwitch, with no defense really, she's going to be a Corruptor, will be able to survive someone spewing lead at her for weeks by the time she's level 20, never mind 50. That makes no sense since a good hit with a machine gun burst should rip her open. So, she dodges bullets (or whatever), and her health bar is an indication of how her 'luck' is running at not getting hit. |
Of course, facing things without a psychic signature is a sure-fire way for her to get blatted.
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This is a very good explaination of what HP really mean , be it your skill at spotting incoming attacks , dodging , ducking and weaving so that no one can target you , keeping the foe on the back foot et al .. and it is realistic .. compare highly trained special forces troops to conscripts .. |
Originally Posted by Ravenswing
... and her health bar is an indication of how her 'luck' is running at not getting hit.
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The game mechanics issue i have more problem with is the Natural origins toons , or any one using natural weapons like blades , blunts , bullets .. as to how they damage the force field using villains , or the impervium clad robots ... again this takes us back to the issue of street crime fighters and cosmicman in the same team .
Giovanni Scaldi (the spirit which possess the mask Vanessa DeVore wears and gives her psychic powers) and Brother Abelard turned up during the Renaissance some 400 years ago (the specifically mention Brother Abelard as a "special agent of the Inquisition").
So that was long after the last opening of the box (back in greek times) but well before the 20th century opening of the box.
Nemesis as well is older than the current opening of the box but long after the Greek one, he's been around for "atleast 180 years" which again was well before the modern opening of the box.
Nemesis and the Banished Panthelon are what I'd class as inter dimensional beings, so why would they be affected by the box?
Perhaps there wasn't even a box on Nemesis's home Earth?
Do the CoT predate the Greek era though, or is that unknown?
Warshades are alien, so why would they be affected by an event on Earth?
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Back to the game play versus mechanics thing, if they wanted guns to be dangerous they could of made it so that only boss level characters use them, then a few hits would finish anything that's not resilient power set.
Of course IC you could just say the bullets that didn't trigger your medi-port were just flesh wounds or really close misses.
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