Incredible Cosmic Power... Itty-bitty living space.
...Damn. Now I just picture a fight between Liz and Leon. Dirtiest fight-talk in history? Probably...
Although it ain't happening until I IO that sucker
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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This is not the problem at all. Here's the problem:
UltraSuperMegaMan comes to GG and meets my character Nitoichi. He takes offence at the length of her skirt (which is invariably short) and tells her off. She tells him to go and do indescribably rude things to himself, since clearly no woman would. He, being a cad, slaps her. Now, UltraSuperMegaMan is invulnerable to all damage, can bend steel girders with his eyelashes, shoots gamma-ray laser beams from his eyes, is able to travel at two hundred times the speed of light (in atmosphere, without destroying the planet), etc, etc, etc. He has personally punched out a black hole and can beat Lord Recluse with his pinky finger. |
Now, I don't deny that such a player making his or her character very powerful is the most common example, but Dillweed Man (or DWM as I like to call characters played in this fashion) can be encountered in just about any shape or form. Say there's a blind lvl 12 Mind/ controller whose telekinesis lets him 'see' the world in lieu of his lost eyes and can barely lift a not-too-heavy person for a short time if the character pushes all his concentration into that power. Sounds like a perfectly average super like we've got in the game, right? Well, put a DWM player at the controls of said controller, and suddenly you've got a character who autokills people by telekinetically stopping their hearts. Doesn't require much power. Certainly less than it takes to lift a person. Result? You're either dead or a bad roleplayer.
This is of course an extreme example, but my point is that DWM players can and will do this with any character they want, from the lvl 12 controller to the lvl 50 tanker. While it's the most common case to run into these players playing viciously powerful characters, character power itself doesn't really matter when such people become involved. Even when they keep well within the game limits set by the canon characters, DWM players will be jerks no matter what.
And if they can end threats to the world with a click of the finger, why haven't they, and why should my character get up in the morning?
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Okay, so that was kinda silly, but I think it gets my point across: if a very powerful character is run by a good roleplayer, there's always someone or something to stop the character from doing this, otherwise they would've already done it. It might be a nameless archnemesis, it might be an incompetent minion, it might be just plain-old insanity, but no matter what it is, it'll have that purpose, and may or may not show up in the character's bio.
For good examples thereof, just look at Liz's and Dr. M's characters. They both sound crazy-powerful, but at the same time have the checks and balances required to make good RP characters. And it looks like they're run by competent players too. Which makes me sad now 'cause I want to meet them and they never join any of the non-Union-only RP threads anymore.
"If I had Force powers, vacuum or not my cape/clothes/hair would always be blowing in the Dramatic Wind." - Tenzhi
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What is it about using a cannon to kill a mosquito?
Simply because you can mass-convert all "local" matter into energy to a distance of several light-years doesn't mean it's a good thing to do. ESPECIALLY in inhabited regions of space.
Simply because you can unleash blasts that can render planets down to fine powder doesn't mean you go postal during a superbrawl.
Heroes usually frown upon annihilating those you're supposed to protect.
And villains want to RULE the world. Not destroy it. Or if they want to destroy it, they want to do it in an emotionally satisfactory manner. Not *POOF! DEAD!* and start in on the post-KABLOOIE doldrums.
Essentially, "cosmic-level" characters are at a level where they could, with a bit of effort, destroy things at a speed and scale exceeding even the most destructive things in the universe (giant supernovas, galactic-core black holes, etc).
If all you want to do is render a thug (even a super-powered one) unconscious, opening up with that amount of power is a bit...excessive.
And, as others have said. RP'ing a character like this is...boring.
You have all this power and you don't use it.
SNORE.
...Damn. Now I just picture a fight between Liz and Leon. Dirtiest fight-talk in history? Probably...
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The dirtiest fight in recorded history was witnessed by very few and happened between Nitoichi and Columbia. It was a bit of a grudge match and since Columbia is stronger and possibly faster than Ni, Ni pulled out every dirty trick in the book. I enjoyed that so much, but seriously... not exactly PG13.
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Um... no...
The dirtiest fight in recorded history was witnessed by very few and happened between Nitoichi and Columbia. It was a bit of a grudge match and since Columbia is stronger and possibly faster than Ni, Ni pulled out every dirty trick in the book. I enjoyed that so much, but seriously... not exactly PG13. |
That fight was veritably XXX!
The wisdom of Shadowe: Ghostraptor: The Shadowe is wise ...; FFM: Shadowe is no longer wise. ; Techbot_Alpha: Also, what Shadowe said. It seems he is still somewhat wise ; Bull Throttle: Shadowe was unwise in this instance...; Rock_Powerfist: in this instance Shadowe is wise.; Techbot_Alpha: Shadowe is very wise *nods*; Zortel: *Quotable line about Shadowe being wise goes here.*
Okay, I think I get that very powerful characters rub you the wrong way on general principles, but please consider my words carefully when I say that the situation you describe comes about not from a player making an extremely powerful character, but simply from said player being an utter dillweed.
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It comes back to what I said in my first post: why have you created SuperMegaUltraMan? There are good reasons, but generally I'd suggest that you can get the same results without resorting to uber-ness.
Shadowe's a friend, so I think I can safely use his character as an example, especially since I know said namesake isn't half as powerful as he makes out. (Ah, hype...)
I think at least one of the reasons Shadowe created Shadowe was to explore the concept of trying to be human when you aren't, and don't really feel like you are. He's created a character which can do awesome things and constantly has to stop himself doing those things, because he believes people should behave themselves because they want to, not because someone with a big stick says 'do it or I spank you.' (The kind of self-limitatation you mentioned.)
I created Nitoichi for various reasons, but one of her themes is that she thinks of herself as human, is proud of it, but worries that maybe, just maybe, she isn't. She can't make the world a better place on whim, but she can explore the same human/superhuman dichotemy as her friend because she's become so far outside the realms of normal humanity that she barely has anything in common with them.
Now, I happen to think that Shadowe is a well constructed character and the more I learn (IC) about him, the more I find that the case, so this isn't a crticism of the player Shadowe. However, on that aspect of the characters, I've created a character with much lower levels of power, which still lets me explore that same aspect of psychology.
Could be I'm being a bit deep here.
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Along these lines I actually enjoy playing CP level characters that lost there CP level powers.
I have a Few guys that are cut off avatars of mytho gods. They had CP level powers once and they might get them one day but for now they are just a shadow of there former selves.
Tru Nembra for example is based off the outer god of the same name. In his case hes a vary tiny peace of that entity stuffed into a suit of leather. Far Far under CP power level but with a CP background. And his goal is to just get out of this realm.
Yet I still sometimes get the whole "Your stupid for playing a god its just stupid you stupid head" when he hangs out in D. Shrug to each there own a guess.
Personally I don't mind people playing CP characters as long as they are not god modding the RP all the time. I don't care if you could eat the universe as long as you don't eat my RP fun that I'm trying to have.
The wisdom of Shadowe: Ghostraptor: The Shadowe is wise ...; FFM: Shadowe is no longer wise. ; Techbot_Alpha: Also, what Shadowe said. It seems he is still somewhat wise ; Bull Throttle: Shadowe was unwise in this instance...; Rock_Powerfist: in this instance Shadowe is wise.; Techbot_Alpha: Shadowe is very wise *nods*; Zortel: *Quotable line about Shadowe being wise goes here.*
Along these lines I actually enjoy playing CP level characters that lost there CP level powers.
I have a Few guys that are cut off avatars of mytho gods. They had CP level powers once and they might get them one day but for now they are just a shadow of there former selves. |
Personally I don't mind people playing CP characters as long as they are not god modding the RP all the time. I don't care if you could eat the universe as long as you don't eat my RP fun that I'm trying to have. |
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I think limitation is needed, I personally do not enjoy RPing extremely powerful charecters, I feel all the more heroic, villianous, whatever. when I have a weakness my charecter must overcome or avoid. For example, Brain Acid was born a mutant with very simple mental powers. He then forged his power, aka me leveling over time. To be able to dominate animals and plants.
However, when I ding 50; If I do. I will not claim him to be able to destroy the world. because that feat is impossible, You have to consider the other heroes, aswell as the big hitters for example; statesmen isn't a huge fan of the apolyclapse and I'm pretty sure Recluse would be peed if someone blew up his kingdom.
I also find my own RP alittle, diminished when I see world-crushing villians and heroes prancing around and being able to down obscene amounts of absinth.. but that's just me being, picky.
Mary Sue's, bad times.
I do have a pet peeve about people that throw around there cosmic scale powers and get all huffy when someone calls them on it.
God Dude "I can render this whole place ash moral stand aside!"
Super Ice Melt Man "What? No I had this seat first."
God Dude "Don't make me mad I'll turn this whole place to ash!"
Super Ice Melt Man "Um... I'm not buying that so no."
God Dude "I can I'm God Dude and have god like powers."
Super Ice Melt Man "Sure well then just do it if you can."
And then it degrades into OOC arguing about how SIMM needs to just move because GD totally can turn him to ash and thats that. And then it usually will degrade into bystanders putting there 2 cents in. In the end GD will usually storm off complaining how no body really understand how to RP correctly.
Now while it can be argued both are RPing poorly and SIMM could have just moved along and let GD have his RP ego trip. It just bothers me when people RP out of the blue this sort of thing thinking everyone will just bend over and let them go with it. I mean if you REALLY need to RP that sort of ego trip a friendly tell first would keep it from turning into a mess.
^ Heh, my main, Ellie, treats characters like that as kooks and has even once called social services to see if they're missing someone.
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Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
In another game I played, something equally stupid did happen to one of my characters. I just ignored it. He got very huffy. Since I actually ran the server and he didn't know, I won.
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Um... no...
The dirtiest fight in recorded history was witnessed by very few and happened between Nitoichi and Columbia. It was a bit of a grudge match and since Columbia is stronger and possibly faster than Ni, Ni pulled out every dirty trick in the book. I enjoyed that so much, but seriously... not exactly PG13. |
Chat logs or it didn't happen?
Pfehehe I kid, I kid sounds nasty though
And I didn't mean dirty fighting as much as dirty banter, knowing what Leon is like
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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- The Italian Job: The Godfather Returns #1151
Beginner - Encounter a renewed age for the Mook and the Family when Emile Marcone escapes from the Zig!
- Along Came a... Bug!? #528482
Average - A new race of aliens arrives on Earth. And Vanguard has you investigate them!
- The Court of the Blood Countess: The Rise of the Blood Countess #3805
Advanced - Go back in time and witness the birth of a vampire. Follow her to key moments in her life in order to stop her! A story of intrigue, drama and horror! Blood & Violence... not recommend to solo!
For good examples thereof, just look at Liz's and Dr. M's characters. They both sound crazy-powerful, but at the same time have the checks and balances required to make good RP characters. And it looks like they're run by competent players too. Which makes me sad now 'cause I want to meet them and they never join any of the non-Union-only RP threads anymore.
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- The Italian Job: The Godfather Returns #1151
Beginner - Encounter a renewed age for the Mook and the Family when Emile Marcone escapes from the Zig!
- Along Came a... Bug!? #528482
Average - A new race of aliens arrives on Earth. And Vanguard has you investigate them!
- The Court of the Blood Countess: The Rise of the Blood Countess #3805
Advanced - Go back in time and witness the birth of a vampire. Follow her to key moments in her life in order to stop her! A story of intrigue, drama and horror! Blood & Violence... not recommend to solo!
Usually Liz starts her fights with 'Go ripp him apart boys... I am in the back relaxing.' But sure... if you survive that we can talk... even dirty if you like that
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Although those zombies would be looking for new limbs once he was done with introducing his katana to them
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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I'm finding my experience the reverse side of this, particularly with regards to AP herself.
She is, for RP purposes, a regular human. Cut her and she'll bleed: Cut her enough times and she'll bleed to death.
Game Mechanics suggest otherwise, and it's very difficult to do IC missions with her as she's very capable of slicing and dicing things.
However, I tend to underpower her. I'm not sure why, either. Perhaps it's something in the hindbrain that screams "Although it would be cool to have her backflipping, sticking a blade in a bad guy, and firing off a witty remark - don't!"
As for cosmic-level Heroes and Villains, their weakness (imo) is their cosmic level ability: Exploiting that power, or making the character realise what they are truly capable of, might just make said character collapse in a heap as opposed to using it.
It's a Cold War scenario, I guess. Plus if *everyone* ran around at that level, we'd need to come up with an even greater level. As not everyone I RP with does that, I'm happy (for the moment...) to continue underpowering my characters.
Plus I know that in the unlikely event of the World exploding (And being remade again - Actual Gods do exist on Primal Earth), somebody like Kata will always re-emerge.
For good examples thereof, just look at Liz's and Dr. M's characters. They both sound crazy-powerful, but at the same time have the checks and balances required to make good RP characters. And it looks like they're run by competent players too. Which makes me sad now 'cause I want to meet them and they never join any of the non-Union-only RP threads anymore.
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Much like the Joker he's told different people different origin stories, to some he's a veteran hero that came out of retirement from the second Rikti war, others he tells his real origin and others he's told the he was a soldier who got parts replaced in a top secret US Army cybernetic enhancement program back in the 60's and now that he's finally retired he has decided to take up heroing.
There are so many to keep track off... Any special ones that could use some menacing influence... let me know and I post something up
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Actually Dr Mechano DOES have a virtueverse version, however due to the 'dimensional scaling' (it's like Oroborous scaling but your essentially coming into a dimension where you never existed or there's already one of you there, it means the universe strips away any powers you do have and you have to start over again) he's not only on heroside (because the dimensional portal desposited him in the wrong place) but he's got no resources, no backup and thus has to rely on tweaked cybernetics and an assault rifle he calls Betsy (AR/EM blaster).
Much like the Joker he's told different people different origin stories, to some he's a veteran hero that came out of retirement from the second Rikti war, others he tells his real origin and others he's told the he was a soldier who got parts replaced in a top secret US Army cybernetic enhancement program back in the 60's and now that he's finally retired he has decided to take up heroing. |
In Patches, an undeclared number of locales from other planets, other times, other universes, et cetera have been smushed together into a patchwork environment on a planet 'far, far away', and Paragon City's been dropped in the middle of it. Presently, the plot seems to be the standard 'evade foreign threats while searching for a way home' sort, but at least two people have already tried taking control of certain aspects of the patchwork planet, so it might very well become a 'fight for the world' kind of plot.
Neither of these are set in any specific '-verse' (or I guess you could say they're set in the 'genericverse'), so it doesn't really matter where the character comes from. Of course, if that still bugs people, I can't say I'm opposed to exploring the unionverse from the forum RP side of things.
"If I had Force powers, vacuum or not my cape/clothes/hair would always be blowing in the Dramatic Wind." - Tenzhi
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Well if you don't object to one mad scientist and his Shivan business partner/bodyguard being dumped into the Patches universe I may give it a go.
Edward and Steve are pretty inseperable pairing, in cases where he lacks his mechanical family (being bots/FF) Steve provides the muscle he would normally have while Edward provides the brains, though Steve isn't dumb muscle (check out his blog on all things Unionverse, Shivan Steve Types!).
It's a Cold War scenario, I guess. Plus if *everyone* ran around at that level, we'd need to come up with an even greater level. As not everyone I RP with does that, I'm happy (for the moment...) to continue underpowering my characters.
Plus I know that in the unlikely event of the World exploding (And being remade again - Actual Gods do exist on Primal Earth), somebody like Kata will always re-emerge. |
erhmm .. to be honest AP .. i did just that once..gettting feed up with the CP toons , mostly in Pok D ..(( which is vastly better these days )) i made a Toon , a Pan dimensional superbeing , about 79 billion billion times more powerful than any three gods you care to name ..hey if you go OTT go way OTT ..
then made him so laid back and calm that he makes a sloth look like its on Speed .., made im a lowbie of his kind , with a boss and tons of rules he had to follow ..
He would then stand around agreeing and complimenting the CP toons on their powers ..then point out how meaningless those powers where when scaled againts the multiverse ..and that if they did anything to the Earth , he see it was would remade identical to it was 0.00000009 picosecond after it was destroyed ..
it was a fun game to see thenm try to counter him ..
That and as Alpha mentioned, he's just not into centuries old vampire chicks with zombie powers.
Sorry Liz but you just ain't mah thang!
Any way... this is going off topic. So I will shut up here
- The Italian Job: The Godfather Returns #1151
Beginner - Encounter a renewed age for the Mook and the Family when Emile Marcone escapes from the Zig!
- Along Came a... Bug!? #528482
Average - A new race of aliens arrives on Earth. And Vanguard has you investigate them!
- The Court of the Blood Countess: The Rise of the Blood Countess #3805
Advanced - Go back in time and witness the birth of a vampire. Follow her to key moments in her life in order to stop her! A story of intrigue, drama and horror! Blood & Violence... not recommend to solo!