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When you slot an enhancement for the first time on a new character you'll see a popup saying this can't be removed. Enhancements aren't meant to be taken out, just replaced. Respecs are for changing your power choices, not removing your enhancements. |
Originally Posted by Bubblerella
More and more I keep reading/hearing in game that people are having to do 1, 2, or more respecs just to get all the invention recipes out of a current build so they don't lose all those set goodies.
I was just wondering, if maybe, the devs could come up with a system that would allow a super respec (maybe even something deserving in that reguard) that would let those wanting it, to do so. Unlimited slots for enhancements for limited time? Maybe they could let us send our leftovers to WW's or BM for storage? I'm just throwing this out there. We could have something very hard for those that want to do it, or maybe it could be level 50 req'd and a minimun# of rares? Any thoughts? My bad if it's been said before. No search FU tonight. |
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Probably be easier if they just gave us more than a single row to set unslotted enhancements in.
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Originally Posted by Bubblerella
More and more I keep reading/hearing in game that people are having to do 1, 2, or more respecs just to get all the invention recipes out of a current build so they don't lose all those set goodies.
I was just wondering, if maybe, the devs could come up with a system that would allow a super respec (maybe even something deserving in that reguard) that would let those wanting it, to do so. Unlimited slots for enhancements for limited time? Maybe they could let us send our leftovers to WW's or BM for storage? I'm just throwing this out there. We could have something very hard for those that want to do it, or maybe it could be level 50 req'd and a minimun# of rares? Any thoughts? My bad if it's been said before. No search FU tonight. |
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Sorry, but that was way before inventions were put into the game, the devs need to rethink it for recipes, new times, new thinking.|
Originally Posted by Diggis
When you slot an enhancement for the first time on a new character you'll see a popup saying this can't be removed. Enhancements aren't meant to be taken out, just replaced. Respecs are for changing your power choices, not removing your enhancements.
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Edit: please do better than reading out of the handbook from long ago.
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It would be nice.
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Originally Posted by Warkupo
Probably be easier if they just gave us more than a single row to set unslotted enhancements in.
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@MARTy McFly
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The devs have stated (Posi, explicitly) that they feel that, especially with inventions, the 10 enhancements you're allowed to "salvage" per respec are generous. The only substantive influence in this sink is, and always has been, enhancement replacement and loss. The fact that we're allowed to salvage even the smallest number of enhancements from a respec is, honestly, more than the devs could have given us and, where I consider it, more than they actually should have if they ever planned on the economy of this game to matter past level 30.
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Originally Posted by Bubblerella
Sorry, but that was way before inventions were put into the game, the devs need to rethink it for recipes, new times, new thinking.
Edit: please do better than reading out of the handbook from long ago. |
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Please link me to that post. This will only be a growing problem as time goes by, I want to make sure I can quote him.
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Originally Posted by Umbral
The devs have stated (Posi, explicitly) that they feel that, especially with inventions, the 10 enhancements you're allowed to "salvage" per respec are generous. The only substantive influence in this sink is, and always has been, enhancement replacement and loss. The fact that we're allowed to salvage even the smallest number of enhancements from a respec is, honestly, more than the devs could have given us and, where I consider it, more than they actually should have if they ever planned on the economy of this game to matter past level 30.
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Excuse me? Read out of the handbook? It's a pop up in the tutorial, and just because there are now IO's I don't see how the rules have changed. When you slot something, it should be in there for good. |
Originally Posted by Bubblerella
Sorry, but that was way before inventions were put into the game, the devs need to rethink it for recipes, new times, new thinking.
Edit: please do better than reading out of the handbook from long ago. |
People complain about there being too much liquid Inf in game and the only substantial sink for this is enhancements. What you are suggesting removes this entirely so that we end up with nothing ever being destroyed.
If people are that desperate to strip their toon of enhancements (to sell, or whatever) then it should be difficult and cost them.
I'm with Umbral below, I think it's a bad idea.
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So you're saying that each time someone respecs, they lose all their enhancements except for those 10, unless they they want to go through the BS of having to respec multi times(if they can), great! I have no problems with it really, as I have plenty of them. I guess all those new people(with a junk IOd out toon) that the devs want to keep bringing back, that want to respec, are **** out of luck |
Originally Posted by Diggis
Excuse me? Read out of the handbook? It's a pop up in the tutorial, and just because there are now IO's I don't see how the rules have changed. When you slot something, it should be in there for good.
People complain about there being too much liquid Inf in game and the only substantial sink for this is enhancements. What you are suggesting removes this entirely so that we end up with nothing ever being destroyed. If people are that desperate to strip their toon of enhancements (to sell, or whatever) then it should be difficult and cost them. I'm with Umbral below, I think it's a bad idea. |
You have to start over because you didn't understand the game! GL newbies
No way to fix it, except to start over!
I really see this as a disreguard of something that's needed, rather than valid reasoning.
I'm not trying to be offensive folks, but in the current game, this restriction is kinda silly given the cost of many sets.
BTW: I could care less what the devs think, that's how we change that game to make it better. (well not or most of the time
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Umm, no, you can put the enhancements back into powers at the end of the respec. Clearly you don't understand the process. Respecing is the process of picking new powers. Given you are only able to access the same powers there is a good chance you should be able to use most of the enhancements you already had. You are allowed 10 slots in your inventory to put those you aren't able to reslot.
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Originally Posted by Bubblerella
So you're saying that each time someone respecs, they have to get all their enhancements except for those 10 anew, unless they they want to go through the BS of having to respec multi times, great! I have no problems with it really, as I have plenty of them. I guess all those new people(with a junk IOd out toons) that the devs want to bring in, that want to respec, are **** out of luck
You have to start over because you didn't understand the game! GL newbies No way to fix it except to start over! |
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I clearly do, you have a problem understanding me. I have no time for someone that disreguards what I'm talking about so, if you please, read my post, select and disect, If not, do not respond. Kind Sir or Lady!
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Originally Posted by Diggis
Umm, no, you can put the enhancements back into powers at the end of the respec. Clearly you don't understand the process. Respecing is the process of picking new powers. Given you are only able to access the same powers there is a good chance you should be able to use most of the enhancements you already had. You are allowed 10 slots in your inventory to put those you aren't able to reslot.
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@MARTy McFly
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New players aren't going to have IO'd out toons. So your argument fails right there.|
Originally Posted by Bubblerella
So you're saying that each time someone respecs, they have to get all their enhancements except for those 10 anew, unless they they want to go through the BS of having to respec multi times, great! I have no problems with it really, as I have plenty of them. I guess all those new people(with a junk IOd out toons) that the devs want to bring in, that want to respec, are **** out of luck
You have to start over because you didn't understand the game! GL newbies No way to fix it except to start over! |
When you do a respec most of your enhancements get reslotted in the new build. 10 is more than enough to hold enhancements that don't go into the newly chosen powers.
The only reason a person would want to pull every single enhancement from a character is if the player decided to delete the character in question and wants to recycle the slotted enhancements.
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What's clear is that this suggestion is motivated solely by player greed.
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Originally Posted by Bubblerella
I clearly do, you have a problem understanding me. I have no time for someone that disreguards what I'm talking about so, if you please, read my post, select and disect, If not, do not respond. Kind Sir or Lady!
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Please, I have plenty of respecs. I was only putting it out there, and got the feedback I did. Now I just playing devils advocate for fun |
Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
What's clear is that this suggestion is motivated solely by player greed.
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Oh ****, I'm a troll now :P
@MARTy McFly
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Junk IOs can just be sold for cash as part of the Respec process. If they are truly junk then there's no real reason to keep them anyway, it's not like they're going to fetch much on the markets.|
Originally Posted by Bubblerella
So you're saying that each time someone respecs, they lose all their enhancements except for those 10, unless they they want to go through the BS of having to respec multi times(if they can), great! I have no problems with it really, as I have plenty of them. I guess all those new people(with a junk IOd out toon) that the devs want to keep bringing back, that want to respec, are **** out of luck
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You don't "lose" all but 10 either as people have pointed out, You can slot them into powers and keep them.
The only reason for this "Super Respec" is that someone has got a heavily IO'd character they've decided they don't like any more so they want to strip them of absolutely everything. New players aren't affected by this limitation at all.
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Ok, lets say you want to change your Epic, I can think of at least one respec just for that in cases, let alone a few power choices in your primary.
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Originally Posted by Carnifax_NA
Junk IOs can just be sold for cash as part of the Respec process. If they are truly junk then there's no real reason to keep them anyway, it's not like they're going to fetch much on the markets.
You don't "lose" all but 10 either as people have pointed out, You can slot them into powers and keep them. The only reason for this "Super Respec" is that someone has got a heavily IO'd character they've decided they don't like any more so they want to strip them of absolutely everything. New players aren't affected by this limitation at all. |
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Originally Posted by Bubblerella
I clearly do, you have a problem understanding me. I have no time for someone that disreguards what I'm talking about so, if you please, read my post, and select and disect. If not, do not respond, Kind Sir or Lady!
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I understand what you want, I just don't agree with the need for it. As both Umbral and I have pointed out above there aren't enough ways to get rid of inf in this game. This is one of the largest ones and that is the main reason for my dissagreement.
As a newb I messed up my slotting. But I just put new stuff over the old stuff. It's a good system.
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I've done that myself plenty of times. You just shunt the IOs from one power to another usually, most Epics I've used have similar powers in them.|
Originally Posted by Bubblerella
Ok, lets say you want to change your Epic, I can think of at least one respec just for that in cases, let alone a few power choices in your primary.
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I've personally (and I respec 3 times in a characters life generally at 27, 37, 44 and/or 47, I like to use them to burn up unwanted yellow SOs) never had the situation where changing my epic or switching a few powers has caused me to disgard an IO because I couldn't either slot it somewhere else or stick it in my inventory.
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Do I know you sir? I'll thank you not to speak of me until/unless you know me.|
Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
What's clear is that this suggestion is motivated solely by player greed.
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Why is your rep off
@MARTy McFly
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BS, a new epic and a few dif powers can easily take 10 slots
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
New players aren't going to have IO'd out toons. So your argument fails right there.
When you do a respec most of your enhancements get reslotted in the new build. 10 is more than enough to hold enhancements that don't go into the newly chosen powers. The only reason a person would want to pull every single enhancement from a character is if the player decided to delete the character in question and wants to recycle the slotted enhancements. |
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* 10 slots does not equal ten brand new IOs needed to slot them and 10 discarded ones which you need to save from the old powers however. Every Controller Epic has an AOE blast and toggle shield for example.*|
Originally Posted by Bubblerella
BS, a new epic and a few dif powers can easily take 10 slots
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Your argument was that there's no way for new players of keeping junk IOs in their inventory. Which is frankly baloney. New players won't need more than 10 slots and "junk" IOs are by definition junk and may as well be Respec Vendored.
There's only two instances where I can see that you'd end up with more than 10 decent IOs worth saving which you'd want to have in your Inventory.*
1) A PvP build from before i13 *might* have slotted IOs which are now less than optimal resulting in the need for a "from the ground up" total rebuild (dropping sets which give Defense for Regen & +HP ones or something)
2) You're gutting a character because you don't like them any more and want to transfer a lot of IOs to a new build.
But you didn't cite either of these reasons, instead you choose arguments and situations which aren't really valid IMO, probably to attempt to strengthen your case.
In both cases if you feel that strongly about them you can respec multiple times with the character, using a combination of Trial Respecs, Freespecs, Vet Reward respecs, IO Respecs and/or Paid for Respecs.
(Nearly) Every MMO that has some form of items and economy has to have a way of removing items from free/easy circulation.
Unlimited items are created, to avoid mudflation, some simply have to be removed.
One approach is bind on use (or the worse bind on pickup). The 10 item per respec is certainly much less of a restriction than having every IO bound to the character permanently, but serves the job of restricting the reuse quite nicely.
There is no way in heck I'd accept a larger than 10 IO tray, as then some/all items would have to end up being bind on use.
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I'd say there are two factors that make enhancement extraction a pain.
One is the cost. Respecs are a valuable commodity, but we do now have access to an unlimited number via respec recipes. So, if you can pay for it, you can salvage all the IOs you need from that character. Like others have said, being unable to extract all Ios easily is a good thing because the game really needs to hang on to its influence sinks.
The other one is the sheer inconvenience.
I've done a couple of respecs recently in order to tweak some of my level 50 characters, and yes, they are a real drag. I can't imagine they'd be too painful to execute if you were just extracting though, say if you're planning to delete the character afterwards.
So for the dev time and effort to streamline what is a pretty uncommon process, I have to say no, I can't really get behind this.
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Originally Posted by Bubblerella
Oh ****, I'm a troll now :P
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.
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first off, the search is at the top of the forums. use it. second, posi said himself, as has been pointed out several times, that we are lucky to be able to even pull any enhancements to save at all. third, it is an infl/inf sink. forth, good call on calling yourself a troll.
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Originally Posted by Bubblerella
More and more I keep reading/hearing in game that people are having to do 1, 2, or more respecs just to get all the invention recipes out of a current build so they don't lose all those set goodies.
I was just wondering, if maybe, the devs could come up with a system that would allow a super respec (maybe even something deserving in that reguard) that would let those wanting it, to do so. Unlimited slots for enhancements for limited time? Maybe they could let us send our leftovers to WW's or BM for storage? I'm just throwing this out there. We could have something very hard for those that want to do it, or maybe it could be level 50 req'd and a minimun# of rares? Any thoughts? My bad if it's been said before. No search FU tonight. |
More and more I keep reading/hearing in game that people are having to do 1, 2, or more respecs just to get all the invention recipes out of a current build so they don't lose all those set goodies.
I was just wondering, if maybe, the devs could come up with a system that would allow a super respec (maybe even something deserving in that reguard) that would let those wanting it, to do so. Unlimited slots for enhancements for limited time? Maybe they could let us send our leftovers to WW's or BM for storage?
I'm just throwing this out there. We could have something very hard for those that want to do it, or maybe it could be level 50 req'd and a minimun# of rares?
Any thoughts?
My bad if it's been said before. No search FU tonight.
@MARTy McFly