Old Idea? Interchangable Powers?


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With the option of a full respecification happening, and the sheer apparent hatred of the idea out there, I have come up with another idea, that I am sure some one has thought of.

With city of heroes I try to create the concepts I have outside of game. This usually isn't limited to 2 powers that one would consider primary or secondary. For example, you have one charater that normally uses claws and replexes, but when they get pissed, this power expands to use spikes, and taps into their darker nature and changes to dark armor. A natural and technical type could change out weapons, armor, and gadgets. The iron man cartoon comes to mind where he changes out which armor he is using seemingly at a moments notice when not in combat. There could also be animations for this actions of power switching, such as a weapon's rack popping up, maybe like The Matrix, where the hero puts away his dual pistols and pulls out a rifle.

I also noted that with some their slots for servers is full.

So here is my thought, I am sure people have heard of before, and hate equally as so.

Why don't we have a mode our lvl 50 characters can start back up at level 1 with these powers. This would be restricted to power sets for that archetype. They will have all their badges and such, with some level appropriate unlocks on some. Once they reach lvl 50 with those powers, after a long wait time between set changing power set pairs, they could interchange their primary and secondary powers.
This way you can continue playing the same actual character in the same general location, but adapt between solo, mish, task force, etc builds. Now this will by no means be something one could do on the fly in the middle of combat. This will allow us to cut down the slot use by 1/4.

So decent idea?
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Chance of happening < 0.

They *want* you to make alts. They've put a ton of work into making the game alt-friendly. They're not going to do a ton of work to negate that and encourage you to use less slots.

you can have different builds in game now, pri/sec stays the same, but you can swap out pool powers and slotting, allowing you to have different setup for solo or teams or whatever.


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Originally Posted by Mad_Cow_Milk View Post
. This will allow us to cut down the slot use by 1/4.
What makes you think that this would "cut down slot use" at all?

I have a bunch of alts because I *enjoy* having a bunch of alts. All different characters, their own histories and such. Even if, for whatever reason, this option became available, I wouldn't use it (and can think of many who would feel the same way.)

Roll alts. Try out different servers. You're already suggesting starting at level 1. Why complicate things past that?


 

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I have to disagree with you, Furio. It's impossibly for a chance to be below 0.

Anyway, yeah, just roll an alt dude. It's not difficult. I'm planning to roll an Elec/Shield eventually who will use the exact same costumes as my Bots/Dark. Sadly my 36 month free slot is name-camping a toon I have planned for GR, so without paying for another slot I have to wait for my 2 free slots from GR and can't create any other toons on my home server until then. Such is life. Fortunately I've got a bunch of other alts I can play.


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If I'm reading this suggestion correctly, you're implying that you'd get one powerset combo to 50, then "dual-class" into another powerset combo and get THAT to 50, getting to choose between the two setups either in real time or via multiple builds. Am I getting warm?

Basically, that's not going to happen. Not even with those restrictions. I fully appreciate your problem, as this is a serious problem of mine (katana + guns + reflexes = ), but think of it this way - that's kind of what Epics are for. Granted, if you're a villain, you're screwed, because villain Patrons suck for concept. But if you're a hero, you can very much make a character that uses Claws and Reflexes and still have access to Dark powers.

The only way you're going to see an option to retain your name, badges score stats is to implement the old "character reset" option, which would allow you to reroll a character, lose all levels, items and inf, but keep your cosmetic achievements. And I don't think that's what you want.


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With the option of a full respecification happening, and the sheer apparent hatred of the idea out there, I have come up with another idea, that I am sure some one has thought of.
Have you ever considered that maybe... just maybe... there's a sheer amount of hatred because it's just a bad idea?

I think Sam called what you want... and... I'm going to be blunt here.. It's Not Going To Happen. Period.

It doesn't matter what spin you put on it, or how you try to sell the concept, or what restrictions you put on it. You are not going to be allowed to level one power set, then automagically change it to another power set.

If you desperately want to combo certain powers, approach the power set from the aspect of the Veteran / Patron Powers. E.G., Blaster's won't ever be getting Martial Arts as a secondary. Sorry, it's not happening. However, Blasters "could" sell a Willpower / Martial Arts oriented Patron Power Set. It'd only be 5 powers total, with only 4 selectable, but the developers are much more likely to consider that kind of suggestion, and thus much more likely to implement it.


 

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With the option of a full respecification happening
Seriously, where are you getting this from? Positron just recetly told us that this is never going to happen.


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and the sheer apparent hatred of the idea out there,
Just because the devs refuse to add a feature to the game doesn't mean they hate it. They just have valid reasons for refusing it. Dismissing those reasons is a personal problem you have to deal with.


 

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With the option of a full respecification happening, and the sheer apparent hatred of the idea out there, I have come up with another idea, that I am sure some one has thought of.

With city of heroes I try to create the concepts I have outside of game. This usually isn't limited to 2 powers that one would consider primary or secondary. For example, you have one charater that normally uses claws and replexes, but when they get pissed, this power expands to use spikes, and taps into their darker nature and changes to dark armor. A natural and technical type could change out weapons, armor, and gadgets. The iron man cartoon comes to mind where he changes out which armor he is using seemingly at a moments notice when not in combat. There could also be animations for this actions of power switching, such as a weapon's rack popping up, maybe like The Matrix, where the hero puts away his dual pistols and pulls out a rifle.
I don't think you truly understand, there is no "hatred" for the idea of full re-specification. What we have is an understanding that the concept of "full re-specification" is contrary to what the developers have chosen to make a large part of the game; Alts! All you're proposing here is the same idea, just in sheep's clothing.

As for the "Interchangeable Powers" aspect, this is where you can use Costume slots and Power customization to create different visual effects. I have characters that have Day/Night costumes where I've changed the look of their powers as well. My Broad Sword scrapper uses different costumes/swords depending on who he's fighting against, etc.


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fully appreciate your problem, as this is a serious problem of mine (katana + guns + reflexes = ), but think of it this way - that's kind of what Epics are for. Granted, if you're a villain, you're screwed, but then again with GR you'll be able to switch over and either respec into a Hero epic and swap back, or switch over before ever taking a PPP and pick one of the Hero epics. A little work, but soon this won't be quite the issue any more.
Fix't.


 

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If I'm reading this suggestion correctly, you're implying that you'd get one powerset combo to 50, then "dual-class" into another powerset combo and get THAT to 50, getting to choose between the two setups either in real time or via multiple builds. Am I getting warm?

Basically, that's not going to happen. Not even with those restrictions. I fully appreciate your problem, as this is a serious problem of mine (katana + guns + reflexes = ), but think of it this way - that's kind of what Epics are for. Granted, if you're a villain, you're screwed, because villain Patrons suck for concept. But if you're a hero, you can very much make a character that uses Claws and Reflexes and still have access to Dark powers.

The only way you're going to see an option to retain your name, badges score stats is to implement the old "character reset" option, which would allow you to reroll a character, lose all levels, items and inf, but keep your cosmetic achievements. And I don't think that's what you want.
The idea is that once you get to levle 50, you get an option to THEN start leveling another power, or set of powers. While you are working with that power you ARE leveling all over again from 1-50, but with the option to take 30 minutes or more (so long as you are not in a mission map), and switch between your fully developed powers and the developing ones.

Once you are finished with your new ones, you can then interchange the powers via the same function, but with more freedom. Assuming you can only unlock one power at a time, not a set like I first stated in the OP here is an example.

Example: So if you have a tech stalker who is a Nin/Elc. You get those powers all the way to level 50. At this point you decide you want your alternate primary to be kinetic melee. You start working with this power back at level 1 and your secondary is still electric. You would be forced to chose your new primary set powers at the same level you chose your original primary set.
Once the Kin/Elc is finished at level 50, with a ton of dead levels 41-50, the stalker can start working on their new secondary power Eng. So they start back at level 1 and face the same restrictions as the new primary power, but would be forced to use only one primary with that power. When they reach level 41 at this point they can start working on their secondary patron power pool.

Once both new primary, secondary, and patron power pool are finished up to level 50 they may use the system for switching between completed and developed sets, to interchange the powers. So after 30+ minutes (actual time decided by the devs) they could interchange their new and old powers at will giving you more options, and greater character depth.

P.S. At then end point you could be playing ether a Kin/Elc, Nin/Elc, Kin/Eng, or Nin/Eng with ether of the patron sets as an option.


 

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Originally Posted by Mad_Cow_Milk View Post
The idea is that once you get to levle 50, you get an option to THEN start leveling another power, or set of powers. While you are working with that power you ARE leveling all over again from 1-50, but with the option to take 30 minutes or more (so long as you are not in a mission map), and switch between your fully developed powers and the developing ones.

Once you are finished with your new ones, you can then interchange the powers via the same function, but with more freedom. Assuming you can only unlock one power at a time, not a set like I first stated in the OP here is an example.

Example: So if you have a tech stalker who is a Nin/Elc. You get those powers all the way to level 50. At this point you decide you want your alternate primary to be kinetic melee. You start working with this power back at level 1 and your secondary is still electric. You would be forced to chose your new primary set powers at the same level you chose your original primary set.
Once the Kin/Elc is finished at level 50, with a ton of dead levels 41-50, the stalker can start working on their new secondary power Eng. So they start back at level 1 and face the same restrictions as the new primary power, but would be forced to use only one primary with that power. When they reach level 41 at this point they can start working on their secondary patron power pool.

Once both new primary, secondary, and power pool are finished up to level 50 they may use the system for switching between completed and developed sets, to interchange the powers. So after 30+ minutes (actual time decided by the devs) they could interchange their new and old powers at will giving you more options, and greater character depth.
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what part of It's Not Going To Happen. Period. wasn't so clear the first time?


 

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what part of It's Not Going To Happen. Period. wasn't so clear the first time?
He asked a question so... LEAVE.


 

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He asked a question so... LEAVE.
He didn't really ask a question. It looked mostly rhetorical, what with the following several paragraphs explaining why it doesn't work that followed. link


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He didn't really ask a question. It looked mostly rhetorical, what with the following several paragraphs explaining why it doesn't work that followed. link
He was theorizing on how my suggested system would work. I felt that was an inquiry for clarification. So I was simply trying to clarify.


 

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That's nice.

It's still not going to happen. You want it to? Make your own engine that works with this kind of thing.

Oh yeah, and train people not to be utter nubcakes when they do it and don't understand the first thing about how to play their newly respec'd toon.

It's called "we get 36 character slots per server with 11 servers plus test, use them".


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He was theorizing on how my suggested system would work. I felt that was an inquiry for clarification. So I was simply trying to clarify.
He posed a rhetorical question. A rhetorical question is a figure of speech in the form of a question posed for its persuasive effect without the expectation of a reply.

Furthermore you don't get to decide who gets to post in a thread you start.


Edit: Fixed because Zek was right.


 

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He posed a rhetorical question. A rhetorical question is a figure of speech in the form of a question posed for its persuasive effect without the expectation of a reply.

Furthermore you don't get to tell other people to stop posting on the forums.
Oh yes he does, because we're stalking/harassing/being mean mouthy people. We're gonna get reported.


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That's nice.

It's still not going to happen. You want it to? Make your own engine that works with this kind of thing.

Oh yeah, and train people not to be utter nubcakes when they do it and don't understand the first thing about how to play their newly respec'd toon.

It's called "we get 36 character slots per server with 11 servers plus test, use them".
Don't forget EU only gets 4 servers plus test.


 

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Don't forget EU only gets 4 servers plus test.
Waaaaah old country waaaah.

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Oh yes he does, because we're stalking/harassing/being mean mouthy people. We're gonna get reported.
You're right. I'll fix that.


 

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Waaaaah old country waaaah.

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Yep.


 

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He posed a rhetorical question. A rhetorical question is a figure of speech in the form of a question posed for its persuasive effect without the expectation of a reply.

Furthermore you don't get to decide who gets to post in a thread you start.


Edit: Fixed because Zek was right.
Nether do you or they for that matter, and that is basically what je_saist was implying. Tit for tat. And if my mere text is so offensive why post at all? I can take a no perfectly fine. I knew when this idea was purposed the chances of it happening were close to nill, which is fine. I thought this might be a solution to the super complex character switch teleporting power the devs had contemplated, and hoped it might gain momentum.

I am most perplexed with this community, as ideas get more, "never going to happen", than an "I like it" or "I don't like it".

Personally, if they do finally figure out a simple way to switch character locations I would be thrilled. As this would get me, mostly, the same effect I am looking for in my purposed addition to the system.

But meh, say la vi.


 

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Nether do you or they for that matter, and that is basically what je_saist was implying. Tit for tat. And if my mere text is so offensive why post at all? I can take a no perfectly fine. I knew when this idea was purposed the chances of it happening were close to nill, which is fine. I thought this might be a solution to the super complex character switch teleporting power the devs had contemplated, and hoped it might gain momentum.

I am most perplexed with this community, as ideas get more, "never going to happen", than an "I like it" or "I don't like it".

Personally, if they do finally figure out a simple way to switch character locations I would be thrilled. As this would get me, mostly, the same effect I am looking for in my purposed addition to the system.

But meh, say la vi.
what the devs are implementing, if i understand what you are proposing, is to be able to switch characters without logging out to the username/password screen. it is no where close to what you are proposing.


 

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what the devs are implementing, if i understand what you are proposing, is to be able to switch characters without logging out to the username/password screen. it is no where close to what you are proposing.
No, you miss-understand me on both ends. The devs apperently did try to make a character swapping teleportation option. This apperently could not reasonably done, which is fine. So the idea of having multiple character slots for the same concept isn't refined. So instead I thought up an option of having one slot act as about 4 different types. So you get around the current impossibility of the character switching a little.


 

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Firstly, I really don't see how this idea is functionally different than the one you posted a day or three ago... other than forcing a player to create an alternate character (but without creating an alternate character).

If this type of "respec" is ever going to happen (which I doubt) I sincerely hope that it does not use this proposed mechanism. Because, what is the point of starting from scratch 2+ times when what you wanted in the first place was NOT have to roll an alt. It makes little sense. That would be like telling people that in order to make cleaning the house easier they are providing everyone with a robot maid... who you have to control by doing the actions you want it to do. Totally defeating the point.

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But meh, say la vi.
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The devs apperently did try to make a character swapping teleportation option. This apperently could not reasonably done, which is fine.
And the Dev post/thread for this is... where, exactly?