MG Talks to the Devs...


CaptainMoodswing

 

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Sheesh, MG, how many questions did you ask? Did they tell you to stick it eventually?

Are you happy about this little interaction?

"Aside from the 1-20 content, morality arcs, and the first level of the Incarnate system, is there any other unannounced content in Going Rogue? by mentalgiant

War Witch: Yep!"

That'll teach you to listen to silly girls that use emoticons too much!

Full transcript of dev chat with many questions from Mental here.

*added*

To rub MG's face in it some more...

"Are there any new missions beyond lvl 20 to be included in Going Rogue? by jbadd007

[Ghost Falcon] Yes."


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GP, those answers don't really tell us anything. There could be a new TF or two in Praetoria, but it says nothing about whether you will be able to go from 20 to 50 in Praetoria.

In another answer, the Devs said that Praetoria will have no radio missions, so clearly things will be different there. My hope is that the Praetorian experience won't be on rails until 20.


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I totally missed out on the news of the Incarnate system; but I'm glad I hit the nail on the head about it a while back. I'm very rarely right


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Here's the one worthwhile response I got:

Can you give us some more detail on how morality arcs will work, and approximately how much time it will take to switch from Hero to Vigilante, and then from Vigilante to Rogue? by mentalgiant

Posi- There is a cooldown timer that will slow the process. We are still working on the exact numbers, but we're eyeballing a week's worth of work to switch one degree.


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As I recall it, someone was all depressed since they didn't think we were getting anything other than the 1-20 stuff. That is what I'm responding to. But hey, if you want to be a downer about it all now, you go right ahead. The point is that there IS more content to GR than just the 1-20 stuff, morality arcs, and one Praetorian level. And I would be very surprised if it's just a little something here and there.

I'm glad that they won't have radio missions in Praetoria. I know some few like them, but they're rather generic and boring. I hate having to do them redside to get contacts so often (and for the accolade). I do hope this means that they will offer us multiple routes to 20, though. There will have to be loyalist and resistance runs, of course, but I hope the devs have noted how much people like the low levels blueside, as opposed to redside. A lot more options.

I've looked in some other threads on the Q & A, and I'm rather surprised at how negative people are, saying we didn't learn anything. I'm not sure why people thought they were going to bare their souls on everything to do with the game. They let us know more things about GR than we know already, and left plenty of room for more fun bits and pieces to get dropped from now to the summer.

For instance, we know for sure that Base raiding is very much on the back burner, but that they're still interested in it, PvP has something being worked on but won't show up for awhile, we'll get two character tokens with GR, there is more content for GR than we knew of... and, I think there were more bits. But I remember those most.

If anyone was expecting more, I'm not sure why. It's nice that they even do things like this, and I got to hear about things I didn't know earlier. Now to figure out if I should wait for GR to start a Cold/Storm Corruptor on Victory, or run one now, since I'll have two slots more to play with for GR. Hmmmm.


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As I recall it, someone was all depressed since they didn't think we were getting anything other than the 1-20 stuff. That is what I'm responding to. But hey, if you want to be a downer about it all now, you go right ahead. The point is that there IS more content to GR than just the 1-20 stuff, morality arcs, and one Praetorian level. And I would be very surprised if it's just a little something here and there.
Prepare to be very surprised. I wanted a 1 to 50 route through Praetoria, and I know that isn't happening, even though we haven't heard everything in GR.

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I'm glad that they won't have radio missions in Praetoria. I know some few like them, but they're rather generic and boring. I hate having to do them redside to get contacts so often (and for the accolade). I do hope this means that they will offer us multiple routes to 20, though. There will have to be loyalist and resistance runs, of course, but I hope the devs have noted how much people like the low levels blueside, as opposed to redside. A lot more options.
I get the impression that the route to 20 is very similar and regardless of what actions you take you can still choose Red ore Blue side at 20.

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I've looked in some other threads on the Q & A, and I'm rather surprised at how negative people are, saying we didn't learn anything.
We didn't learn much... some of the information was already released (Kinetic Melee and Electrical Control). I'm not sure what the point of the Q&A was if they were only giving us minor details about GR. I realize that I17 hasn't even launched yet, but obviously people want more information on GR since the Closed Beta hasn't even really started on that yet.


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Sheesh, MG, how many questions did you ask? Did they tell you to stick it eventually?
I asked quite a few too. The system invited a lot of questions. I asked one question, and it wanted to know if I had another.

If the Devs chose to answer Mental Giant's questions it was because they wanted to. He didn't grab them by their shirtfronts, and tell them to answer his questions or else

I am sure Mental and I were not the only ones to ask a lot of questions, as I said, the system invited us to ask all the questions we wanted....encouraged us even.

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I'm guessing MG just asked a lot of questions that were good and they could actually give a little bit of info about.

MG... I did start out this thread mostly to talk about the Q & A and tease you a bit, but man... who poured all the negativity in your coffee? They haven't said anything about extra content, you find out that there will be more, and you automatically assume there isn't going to be much? That's a big leap.

Also, saying "prepare to be surprised" is a major downer and a leap as well. These devs don't tend to do anything small (thing about all the easter eggs and things War Witch liked to add, how much time Castle spends balancing things, and how much effort BAB put into weapon and power customization). I don't know that we're going to get something in every level range, but I don't see them just tossing in a few story arcs, either (which is the feeling I get from you).

Seriously, MG, don't be so pessimistic. No need to be over the top optimistic, either, but you seem to want to stay down even when you hear info to make you feel better.


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I posted 10 questions, six of my own, and four from others on the Going Rogue Forums. Two of mine were answered and one of those I posted from the forum.

I tried to focus on questions that keep coming up in the GR forums.

GP: I'm not being pessimistic, I'm being a realist.

Right now the game's in the best shape it's ever been. Dual Pistols is easily the best set ever created, and Demon Summoning looks to be the best looking MM set (I don't know how it performs as of now). I17 is hitting on Wednesday will Ultra Mode, New Arcs, Access to DS, New Badges, New Emotes, QoL Updates, and (most importantly) New Custom Pistols!

Going Rogue will be out in a few short months, and we have a good handle on how cool it will be, but based on what we've heard, you won't be able to take a toon from 1 to 50 on Praetorian content alone. That's just about the single disappointment I have with the game right now.

I think the unannounced content WW and the Devs are alluding to may be a few Praetorian TFs, but I doubt they will have isolated arcs post-20. It doesn't make sense, and if it were a large amount of content I think we would have heard about it by now.

So yes, I'm frustrated by some of the answers given in the Q&A, but that doesn't mean I'm not the CoX Fanboi you know and love.


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I hate when fanbois fight


Going rogue forums? And I wasn't invited?


I've already forgotten about most of you

 

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Awww, Voo, you're so nice.

Though MG is making me look like a fanboy by being pessimistic. Sheesh, I try to be a realist with everything, so someone's scale is off with this one.


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Story Arc:
Belated Justice, #88003
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Originally Posted by Grey Pilgrim View Post
Sheesh, MG, how many questions did you ask? Did they tell you to stick it eventually?

Are you happy about this little interaction?

"Aside from the 1-20 content, morality arcs, and the first level of the Incarnate system, is there any other unannounced content in Going Rogue? by mentalgiant

War Witch: Yep!"

That'll teach you to listen to silly girls that use emoticons too much!

Full transcript of dev chat with many questions from Mental here.

*added*

To rub MG's face in it some more...

"Are there any new missions beyond lvl 20 to be included in Going Rogue? by jbadd007

[Ghost Falcon] Yes."
Well at least they confirm that the Epics can go Incarnate. Still would like more details about the Incarnate system and just how much of a boost it is to go incarnate.


 

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Going Rogue will be out in a few short months, and we have a good handle on how cool it will be, but based on what we've heard, you won't be able to take a toon from 1 to 50 on Praetorian content alone. That's just about the single disappointment I have with the game right now.
What I don't get is why you keep expecting a different answer on this when we've known this for months and months.

What you asked is "Is going rogue just 1-20" the answer is "No, there is more." How is that not better news than we had?


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What I don't get is why you keep expecting a different answer on this when we've known this for months and months.

What you asked is "Is going rogue just 1-20" the answer is "No, there is more." How is that not better news than we had?
Heh, that's kind of my point. He gets better news than he was expecting and still wants to be down about it!

Also... CoH and CoV were both 1-40 when they came out (and CoH had more options, too), not 1-50. So I'm not sure if that was ever a real expectation. I do hope there is a good amount over the 1-20 stuff, sideswitching missions, and Praetorian levels. We'll see, though.

The other big thing with all this is if they actually do follow through and put a good amount more content in (via GR and afterward). Supposedly content is going to be big this year, so I'd like to see the devs flesh out Cimerora and Praetoria well.


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Originally Posted by CaptainMoodswing View Post
What you asked is "Is going rogue just 1-20" the answer is "No, there is more." How is that not better news than we had?
At this point I'm looking for clarity, not platitudes. I've been trying to manage expectations about GR, and the devs just threw more fuel on the fire.

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Also... CoH and CoV were both 1-40 when they came out (and CoH had more options, too), not 1-50. So I'm not sure if that was ever a real expectation.
I'd be elated if we had 1-40 content in GR, but it isn't happening. The fact that they will not have radio missions means they don't feel the need to fill in a content gap.

I expect a tight storyline from 1-20, sideswitching content after that, Incarnate content for the 50 crowd, and maybe a few Praetorian TFs here and there to spice things up as far as "extra" content goes.


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Mwahahaha. Welcome to the dark side MG. Utter even the slightest bit of critical or logical thought and the fanboi legions turn on you like sharks after an injured swimmer.


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Due to past actions, Doomopolis cannot welcome you with open arms. However, the order to shoot on sight has been rescinded and you are now permitted to enter the outskirts of the city to enjoy the many and varied attractions that Doomopolis has to offer in those locations. (Bars, strip clubs, Houses of ill-...) A-hem. You get the picture. Spend money, enjoy your stay, and be out by dawn....
I guess I'll take what I can get.


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I'd be elated if we had 1-40 content in GR, but it isn't happening. The fact that they will not have radio missions means they don't feel the need to fill in a content gap.
Why does a lack of radio missions mean they don't feel a need to fill in a content gap? I would agree with that statement if it was just one story arc per level range (1-5, 5-10, etc.) like the Kheldians or VEATs, but radio missions are just a potential layering of missions. If anything, radio and newspaper missions were something of a copout from creating real content. But I've always been down on them. The bank and mayhem misisons are somewhat fun from time to time, but I find the repeatable missions to be utterly boring and forgettable.

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I expect a tight storyline from 1-20, sideswitching content after that, Incarnate content for the 50 crowd, and maybe a few Praetorian TFs here and there to spice things up as far as "extra" content goes.
You're posting too much like GG, good sir. "This is how it is is going to be" and all that. I expect to see your redname status ASAP!

But who knows, you may be right. I am mostly reacting to the heavy layers of certainty and doom.

Flux, hehe. Too funny. I love how I get accused of being overly critical of the devs elsewhere on the forums, and then I get joking accusations of fanboyism here for suggesting we moderate our feelings of doom.


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I love how I get accused of being overly critical of the devs elsewhere on the forums, and then I get joking accusations of fanboyism here for suggesting we moderate our feelings of doom.
That's the definition of fanboyism.


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Mwahahaha. Welcome to the dark side MG. Utter even the slightest bit of critical or logical thought and the fanboi legions turn on you like sharks after an injured swimmer.
ExCUSE me? I was asking for clarification on what seemed completely ILLOGICAL. :P


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ExCUSE me? I was asking for clarification on what seemed completely ILLOGICAL. :P
No! You must see doom in everything, no matter what! That is the only logic that counts! Sheesh!


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Belated Justice, #88003
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I guess I'll take what I can get.
That's what she said...


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Flux was so right... as was EB.


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I just realized something. My question on extra content in GR was poorly worded (emphasis mine):

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Aside from the 1-20 content, morality arcs, and the first level of the Incarnate system, is there any other unannounced content in Going Rogue? by mentalgiant

War Witch: Yep!
I asked if there was more content in Going Rogue, not if there was more content in Praetoria. WW could be referring to something on Primal Earth. I'll maintain my nerdrage until I hear something more specific.


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