On characters that aren't quite yours.


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They'd be generic'd
And since Marvel/Disney now owns the rights they'd stay that way.


 

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Every kind of story has been written, countless times. I guess you could break a concept into a name, a costume, a backstory, an alignment, and a powerset. Copy any four together and you're probably ripping something off. But really, it's all about intent. You know whether the character is your idea.


 

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This is hearsay, but I recall hearing of a published author who recreated his own characters in this game, got genericed, and successfully got it reversed because after all they were his characters. I'm totally blanking on the author's name right now, and I don't think he plays any more. No, it's not he of the Zuni mask, he makes up originals anyway. I'll think of it in a minute.

Jim Butcher, author of The Dresden Files. That's who it was, just remembered. Several years ago he played, supposedly.
That meshes with what the EULA/ToS *say* at least. I hope so, because I have explicit written permission from at least one author to use the likeness of one of his characters, but I really doubt anyone would recognise it anyway


 

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I create homages, and borrow from origins if I need some help getting over a hurdle, but I try not to blatant ripoffs. Shows lack of imagination.


 

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Originally Posted by Primal View Post
This is hearsay, but I recall hearing of a published author who recreated his own characters in this game, got genericed, and successfully got it reversed because after all they were his characters. I'm totally blanking on the author's name right now, and I don't think he plays any more. No, it's not he of the Zuni mask, he makes up originals anyway. I'll think of it in a minute.

Jim Butcher, author of The Dresden Files. That's who it was, just remembered. Several years ago he played, supposedly.
Well when Going Rogue comes out it'll be possible to re-create Harry Dresden properly (I figure he's a heroic fire/storm corruptor).


 

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Just know that 'Thor' isn't completely off limits

I have a Thugs MM called "Bloody Thor"

Just be ready with a modifier and you're golden


There is no such thing as an "innocent bystander"

 

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It's pretty simple. Here is the TL/DR version: NCSoft doesn't have to have a reason to generic you because they own the character.

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- Anyone can petition any character they see, for any reason or no reason. The petition will likely be ignored unless you at least give the employee who looks at it reason to think the owner of the property might sue NC Soft. The employee will probably at least run a quick Google search to check your reasoning.

- If the employee even thinks the owner of the property might sue NCSoft, they should recommend your character to be genericed, just to be safe.

- After you are genericed, you are then asked to give alternative names for your character. This is your chance to get the decision reversed, by presenting whatever argument you have. The point of the argument should be 'the owner of this intellectual property absolutely cannot/will not sue NC Soft and here's why'.

- Remember that NCSoft does not want to have to deal with a lawsuit, even if they would eventually win.

- If your character is close enough to an owned and maintained intellectual property to be recognized/mistaken for them via name, bio or costume, that's too close. If they are not close enough to be recognized, then what's the point of copying?

- Remember that Cryptic Studios has been sued by Marvel for exactly this: they are not going to take chances.

- Remember that they do not have to have a reason for genericing a character. You do not own whatever name/costume/bio you give them (unless you already legally do), so they can change it if they want. It's their property, made with their tools on their servers. Even if you own the IP, NCSoft doesn't have to allow it in their game.

- This does not mean NCSoft will act on every petition. They don't have time, and probably have a database of things that they have previously checked and decided thumbs up on. Even if they act, don't expect them to tell you about it.


Story Arcs I created:

Every Rose: (#17702) Villainous vs Legacy Chain. Forget Arachnos, join the CoT!

Cosplay Madness!: (#3643) Neutral vs Custom Foes. Heroes at a pop culture convention!

Kiss Hello Goodbye: (#156389) Heroic vs Custom Foes. Film Noir/Hardboiled detective adventure!

 

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Ignoring the name blocks and genericing and whatnot for a moment, for example if Stan Lee played the game and made Spiderman in the game, NCSoft would not own the rights to Spiderman. If Will Eisner created an in-game character named Spirit, the NCSoft would not own the Spirit. They may claim control of in-game likeness, but the character would still be Eisner's or Lee's.
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They'd be generic'd

Uhmm....reading is fundamental. (bolding added for emphasis)


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I never use a blatant rip-off name, but some of my toons do have rip-off costumes in their repitoire. My AR/Trap corr has a Spawn Costume, for instance. He was originally designed as a longbow defect, and named Wrong-Bow. It's not a costume he runs around with all the time though, but he's had it for a few months. I suppose that's not very blatant.


 

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flashrains wants lines drawn:

Okay, here's something I was thinking about on my way home today. As we all know, we're supposed to only make characters in this game that are 100% our own creations. As we also all know, not everyone does that... and sometimes, it's okay.
Fie and a pox on that. Almost every one of my characters is an homage of some sort, entirely on purpose. The key is to work with the archetype (the real word, not the game one) or trope that the original worked on. For example, Decorum is my "Superman". He's the big, strong tough guy that can fly, and I based his personality on the "Big Blue Boy Scout" aspect (given the name, he's very very polite). I much prefer not to make 100% my own characters, mostly because I have a ton of comic knowledge and I know that's next to impossible. So a familiar idea with a twist works great for me. And the GMs.

I give full credit for creating characters this way to Kurt Busiek and Astro City. I have a character named Headlong that's 90% Impulse. I have a Solomon Kane riff called Lamentation Payne. It's easy (and fun) once you get to the details.

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I know I can't create Thor and it cheeses me off no end.

Not Marvel's Thor....the mythological Norse deity Thor, who has existed in legend since at least 1200 years before there even WAS such a thing as a trademark. Marvel has a trademark on his appearance, but there is NO WAY they can claim he is an original creation of theirs.

The name is completely blocked from anyone using it. Not taken, but actually blocked. If you try to use a name that someone else already hasthe message says "That character name is already in use". If the name is blocked the message says "That character name is unavailable"

There are a lot of things that shouldn't get genericed, but they do. Marvel wouldn't have a leg to stand on in a suit claiming that they own te name Thor, but NCSoft behaves as though they do.
Pish tosh, they're just covering their rears (who cares who would win a court battle, there just being one would be a disaster for NCSoft). Plenty of ways around it, especially Thor who had a dozen different names in as many countries. I give you The Mighty Thunor.



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...if Stan Lee played the game and made Spiderman in the game, NCSoft would not own the rights to Spiderman.
Nothing personal, this just makes my teeth hurt. It's Spider-Man. Capital S capital M and with a hyphen. Spiderman's the last name of some CPA named Irving or something.


Dec out.

 

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I know I can't create Thor and it cheeses me off no end.

Not Marvel's Thor....the mythological Norse deity Thor, who has existed in legend since at least 1200 years before there even WAS such a thing as a trademark. Marvel has a trademark on his appearance, but there is NO WAY they can claim he is an original creation of theirs.

The name is completely blocked from anyone using it. Not taken, but actually blocked. If you try to use a name that someone else already hasthe message says "That character name is already in use". If the name is blocked the message says "That character name is unavailable"

There are a lot of things that shouldn't get genericed, but they do. Marvel wouldn't have a leg to stand on in a suit claiming that they own te name Thor, but NCSoft behaves as though they do.

Go with different mythology instead. I used Celtic mytholgy for my Stone/Fire Brute, Crom Cruaich. He's so obscure I hadn't even ever heard of him. But once I got the name and concept he was easy to create a storyline with, using Croatoa as a basis (and since Croatoa totally mauls Celtic mythology it gave me a bit more freedom with his design).


 

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Plenty of ways around it, especially Thor who had a dozen different names in as many countries. I give you The Mighty Thunor.
Tonger, Donar, Thunaraz, Donner, Donder, Tordön, Torden, Dunder, Taranis, Tarann

Bearer of Mjöllnir?


http://www.fimfiction.net/story/36641/My-Little-Exalt

 

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I know I can't create Thor and it cheeses me off no end.

Not Marvel's Thor....the mythological Norse deity Thor, who has existed in legend since at least 1200 years before there even WAS such a thing as a trademark. Marvel has a trademark on his appearance, but there is NO WAY they can claim he is an original creation of theirs.

The name is completely blocked from anyone using it. Not taken, but actually blocked. If you try to use a name that someone else already hasthe message says "That character name is already in use". If the name is blocked the message says "That character name is unavailable"

There are a lot of things that shouldn't get genericed, but they do. Marvel wouldn't have a leg to stand on in a suit claiming that they own te name Thor, but NCSoft behaves as though they do.
Marvel has a claim on -their- version of Thor as depicted in Marvel comics, especially in his long blonde haired classic and current costumes. Marvel can't do jack about anyone else using Thor in another manner. I couldn't tell you NCSoft's position on the matter though other than it's probably closer to "better safe than sorry."


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good luck D.B.B.

 

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I stand corrected.

I think my "Captain Slow" on Triumph is still okay though, since his bio states that his real name is Mayes Jameson, co-presenter of BBC comedy show "High Gear" alongside Clark Jermaine and Hamish Richards. Or maybe I did see that, and that's why I didn't use any of their real names.
And he knows an untamed racing driver, "The Stug", who wears an all-black costume and never puts his helmet on?


 

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Contrarily there was a "George W. Bush" character on Liberty for years. He kept the name despite numerous petitions. I have no idea why.
I remember that. His battle cry was "Fighting terror for oil!"