Good PvP topic I stumbled across in the suggestions thread.
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black_barrier,
Posted on: 2010-04-08 06:37 in Everything about PvP
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I didn't ask you for your own opinionated boring conjecture. I asked you for a dev quote backing up when you said...|
Originally Posted by Dahjee
Your right X and I apologize. I assumed you were a reader.
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Originally Posted by Dahjee
The part no one will tell you is that I13 was actually also aimed at eliminating high-end lolserious PvP...
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If not then kindly shut up.
Ummmmm.... is Dahjee actually Castle roleplaying on a super, secret account or what???
Gotcha ,Castle!! You silly ,silly man!! <3
P.S. How in the hell did my rep get green??Red is my favorite color!!
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I agree.|
Originally Posted by Goshnova
True, the I13 changes may have been intended to bring new and casual PvEers into PvP, but it failed miserably.
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Originally Posted by Goshnova
Dahjee, you say it is the player's fault that there is no diversity in PvP. The problem is the I13 system. Powers and strategies that worked in PvE don't work the same in PvP. Not in arena, not in zone.
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Retaining the actual designed role of an AT while having to adapt a compltely new set of strategies since your fighting against people and not npcs is fair. Again when I say retaining a role, I'm also referring to weaknesses that can often lead to the need or desire for a particular set/set comboe to make yours flourish... like in PvE.
I mean I hate to be all contreversial... but is it not reasonable to assume that the playerbase, being strongly influenced by those most succesful at PvP went about post-I13 finding all the right powers and sets that work best under the new system... and applied them to the same strategy as before. So I mean we end up with successful builds and PvPers still, but things still seem so lacking because it's all being approached the same way.
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Originally Posted by Goshnova
Not only that, but wouldn't it be natural anyway for players to gravitate towards the more powerful powerset combinations anyways?
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I think the problem is that most peeps PvP'ed very differently from how they PvE'd before I13... that they really did not expect to change this post-i13. A "Revamp" that actually allows you to team more like you would in PvE never cross their minds... nah. Adjustment... was a matter of re-picking and promoting whatever new powers and powersets were best to fit the old way of playing.
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Originally Posted by Goshnova
What am I supposed to tell these kinds of people who want to be able to PvP well on a diverse range of characters?
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"Situational power? Sure. Although in a sense... all powers are situational. It's just that some situations occur more than others." Understand the situation needed in order for the power to be most effective... and make that situation happen.
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I agree- we need more farm targets.
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Originally Posted by Dahjee
The more people you can get to do this... the better.
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Infinity and Victory mostly
dUmb, etc.
lolz PvP anymore, Market PvP for fun and profit
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Please leave this thread. I cannot slow down to your speed for long periods of time.|
Originally Posted by Xanatos
I didn't ask you for your own opinionated boring conjecture. I asked you for a dev quote backing up when you said...
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Your only opinion here is of me X. Your rage has been reduced to pictures and when that happens I win, get it?
i don't want to be rude to you or anyone else... so when I say get off my sak... I do mean it in a respectful way.
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Originally Posted by DitzyBlonde
P.S. How in the hell did my rep get green??Red is my favorite color!!
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and people say I don't help the community.
"Situational power? Sure. Although in a sense... all powers are situational. It's just that some situations occur more than others." Understand the situation needed in order for the power to be most effective... and make that situation happen.
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I'm faster than you. You use teleport & hover.|
Originally Posted by Dahjee
Please leave this thread. I cannot slow down to your speed for long periods of time.
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Originally Posted by Dahjee
Your only opinion here is of me X. Your rage has been reduced to pictures and when that happens I win, get it?
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Originally Posted by Dahjee
i don't want to be rude to you or anyon else... so when I say get off my sak... I do mean it in a respectful way.
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GGx3
P.s. Still waiting on that dev quote...
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Yeah but I'd likely be chosen in Forum KB way before you. LOL you keep score ROFLMAO|
Originally Posted by Xanatos
You don't win. Ever. Your forum k/d ratio is worse than your RV one.
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Originally Posted by Xanatos
There is literally no respectful way of using that phrase.
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Originally Posted by Xanatos
P.s. Still waiting on that dev quote...
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"Situational power? Sure. Although in a sense... all powers are situational. It's just that some situations occur more than others." Understand the situation needed in order for the power to be most effective... and make that situation happen.
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The closest thing we got to this was Lighthouse saying the changes weren't aimed at high end pvpers and Ghost Falcon saying under the old system a casual group could never beat a high end group from test.|
Originally Posted by Xanatos
I didn't ask you for your own opinionated boring conjecture. I asked you for a dev quote backing up when you said...
Are you able to provide a quote from any developer to back this up? If not then kindly shut up. |
Add to that Posi and Castle stating the limited amount of ATs being viable was an issue, as well as buffs/heals and that's the gist of it. It may not have been said implicitly, but the idea is there.
Dahjee is still pretty much offtrack on everything though.
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That has to be the most arrogant way of saying "I give up" I've ever seen in my life.
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Originally Posted by Dahjee
i don't want to be rude to you or anyone else... so when I say get off my sak... I do mean it in a respectful way.
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You wish Max.
"Situational power? Sure. Although in a sense... all powers are situational. It's just that some situations occur more than others." Understand the situation needed in order for the power to be most effective... and make that situation happen.
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Are you actually insane?|
Originally Posted by Dahjee
Yeah but I'd likely be chosen in Forum KB way before you. LOL you keep score ROFLMAO
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I've PL'd the forum rep of nearly every poster in the PVP section & I've kept you perma red.
You're bad at forum pvp too.
GG.
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Franziska Von Karma says you will listen to every word I say.
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ROFLMAO!|
Originally Posted by Xanatos
Are you actually insane?
I've PL'd the forum rep of nearly every poster in the PVP section & I've kept you perma red. You're bad at forum pvp too. GG. |
and you are SERIOUS too!? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!
Omg I am no match for you! I offer only a different perspective, points and lolzy words... AND YOU CONTROLS THE FORUM REP! AHHHHHHH!!!!!!
lawl if I am the only person that finds that funny then I must pray for you all.
[EDIT:] Wait... the now bolded part is becoming stored in memory for future LOLiness and should immediately be put in someone's Sig. because it's funny.... um why am I the only one laughing?
ConFlict, come get X out of this mess please, lol.
"Situational power? Sure. Although in a sense... all powers are situational. It's just that some situations occur more than others." Understand the situation needed in order for the power to be most effective... and make that situation happen.
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I find it funny TBH. But there's not much else to do in a thread once it's been Dahjee'd. |
Originally Posted by Dahjee
ROFLMAO!
and you are SERIOUS too!? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL! Omg I am no match for you! I offer only a different perspective, points and lolzy words... AND YOU CONTROLS THE FORUM REP! AHHHHHHH!!!!!! lawl if I am the only person that finds that funny then I must pray for you all. |
You're really causing a lot more problems than you are solutions.
Why can't you just go away?
^^ all you need.
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I liked this thread a lot more when Xanatos was making it a Planet Earth-lite.
That was before I truly realized the potential of a downie troll.
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The tl;dr vesion gathered from many recent posts of mine:|
Originally Posted by Xanatos
Why can't you just go away?
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1. Staying on topic is hard... if the fools that pop up and out were to only respond to the actual OP realated things I post... it's very likely my stay would be shortened.
2. Once you start to dumb a topic down... I grab my popcorn and prepare to make fools of your ignorance. If you can be objective... and maybe repress some of the emotional hurt and pain that I13 caused you... we can indeed have a conversation...
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3. I don't want anyone to leave the game just like you. I happen to think more would PvP if they could retain their PvE roles even if some of the power mechanics change. I happen to PvP in just such a way as indicated by my original post in this thread and have done so successfully since PvP started, and I'm certain I'm not the only one.
4. I'm here because I need to be. In time you might understand what that means.
"Situational power? Sure. Although in a sense... all powers are situational. It's just that some situations occur more than others." Understand the situation needed in order for the power to be most effective... and make that situation happen.
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This guy may be on to something.
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Originally Posted by macskull
^^ all you need. |
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"One day we all may see each other elsewhere. In Tyria, in Azeroth. We may pass each other and never know it. And that's sad. But if nothing else, we'll still have Rhode Island."
"One day we all may see each other elsewhere. In Tyria, in Azeroth. We may pass each other and never know it. And that's sad. But if nothing else, we'll still have Rhode Island."
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Words of a delusional prophet =|
Originally Posted by Dahjee
Remind them of the role they play given the powersets they have.. and tell them how to best fufill that role via basic survival tastics and powerpicks. Tell them that you will be there to support them in their role as you play yours. The more people you can get to do this... the better.
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Originally Posted by Slax
I agree- we need more farm targets.
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Ask me why... or tell me why not.|
Originally Posted by Goshnova
Words of a delusional prophet =
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I'm not here to make you angry.
"Situational power? Sure. Although in a sense... all powers are situational. It's just that some situations occur more than others." Understand the situation needed in order for the power to be most effective... and make that situation happen.
The problem with delusional people is you can't argue with them. You know, because they're delusional.
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This kind of comment pretty much sums up "Delusional Prophet".
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Originally Posted by Dahjee
4. I'm here because I need to be. In time you might understand what that means.
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Dahjee.
I am the best PvPer in my SG and coalition. I have the highest Rep in the entire coalition, spend the most time PvPing, and know more about the mechanics of PvPing than any of the people in my SG and coalie.
My Rep is about 30.
I'm also on Virchoo server in a coalition of Heavy RP SGs.
I am a far cry from a "lolseriuosarena" PvPer. My friends? In a completely different universe from a serious PvPer. That being said, even those (my friends) guys can see the obvious problems that I13 PvP brought.
AKAIK, our little group of about 3 SGs used to casual PvP in zones and arena before I13. Now, that almost never happens. My SG leader wants to get the new base generator that comes with PvP kills. However, nobody wants to PvP anymore because of its unfriendliness to PvEers.
True, the I13 changes may have been intended to bring new and casual PvEers into PvP, but it failed miserably. Dahjee, you say it is the player's fault that there is no diversity in PvP. The problem is the I13 system. Powers and strategies that worked in PvE don't work the same in PvP. Not in arena, not in zone.
Not only that, but wouldn't it be natural anyway for players to gravitate towards the more powerful powerset combinations anyways? If something has a modicum of better chance to win than another, people will probably play it. Because people like winning. Sure, people may play PvP "for fun" or "just to do it", but in the end, people enjoy winning. People hate losing or feeling underpowered. Hell, even my friends who try to RPvP in RV like winning. Who wants to wander into a zone or arena match knowing that some other guy on a Psi/Em blaster will kill them in an instant? Just last night, my friends tried again to score some kills in RV on Virtue server. The number one complaint I heard was: "I hate getting ganked by a team of 8 stalkers." People hate losing. Most like even a small chance at winning. The I13 system simply decreased the odds of understanding and performing well in PvP for the casual PvEer.
I've done arena matches against a SG mates DP/Ice Blaster. No joke. I won 10 times straight with my BS/WP on a PvE build. What am I supposed to tell these kinds of people who want to be able to PvP well on a diverse range of characters? I13 changes tried to amend the issue. I13 tried to make it so that my friend could play her DP/Ice Blaster and expect to win occasionally. But intent and end result are completely different things. I don't know why you can't even grasp that.
I'm not a "lolseroiusarena" PvPer. Nor am I even a "serious PvPer". I happen to PvP, and try to learn and adapt to the current system of PvP because I'm bored of PvE and the thrill of winning is fun. Because I hate to lose and be the guy who wonders why they're AR/Elec Blaster sucks in PvP. Hence, I try to adapt.
There's an opinion of a relative outsider. And I'm not a, what do you call it? Robot. Yes, I can assure you I'm not a robot. I only listen to people like Mac and Conflict because they have a good clue as to what is going on in PvP.