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Originally Posted by xhris
Many players have been complaining about the lack of names in populated servers like Virtue and Freedom. So what about devs give us access to names possessed by accounts inactive for 3 or more years, names with no globals and those possessed by trial accounts inactive for 2 or more years?
There would be twist, however: If any of those accounts become reactivated again, the original owners gain possession of the name again and the newly rolled toon with the same name gets a free respec. |
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Hmm....
If I were to recieve a name that was a "loaner", I'd want advance notice that it was possible to lose it without notice at any given time later. Personally, I'd choose a different name instead.
Short Answer: They've already done this.
Longer Answer: It was even more in favor of the new person than your version. When they ran the script, any names on accounts inactive more than 90 days and less than level 35 (I think) became Unreserved. If you reactivated and no one had taken the name in the meantime, it was still your's. If anyone wanted it while you were inactive, they got it.
Here's the kicker- very few of the Unreserved names got picked. How do we know? They tracked them, and then later told us that it was only a small percentage of the very large number of freed names.
Conclusion- at the end of the day running the script again probably wouldn't go a long way to solving your issue.
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Originally Posted by Scootertwo
Where did you get that piece of information?
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Also, /Lemur Lad, for history.
That said, I'd have no problem with "Trial accounts that have not been converted to paid accounts after 90 days will have their names freed." They're already limited, of course, to how high they can level and whatnot (though I don't recall if there was a limit to pre-RMTfest trials,) so what the impact would be - I couldn't say.
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Can't find the thread right now, but someone quoted the devs saying you would be able to do so, to create praetorian version of your existing toons. |
Originally Posted by Scootertwo
Where did you get that piece of information?
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Edit: Come to think of it, maybe i've been trolled
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Originally Posted by BBQ_Pork
I think that rather than a "free respec", you're thinking of a "free rename".
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Originally Posted by BBQ_Pork
If I were to recieve a name that was a "loaner", I'd want advance notice that it was possible to lose it without notice at any given time later. Personally, I'd choose a different name instead.
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Originally Posted by Lemur Lad
Short Answer: They've already done this.
Longer Answer: It was even more in favor of the new person than your version. When they ran the script, any names on accounts inactive more than 90 days and less than level 35 (I think) became Unreserved. If you reactivated and no one had taken the name in the meantime, it was still your's. If anyone wanted it while you were inactive, they got it. Here's the kicker- very few of the Unreserved names got picked. How do we know? They tracked them, and then later told us that it was only a small percentage of the very large number of freed names. Conclusion- at the end of the day running the script again probably wouldn't go a long way to solving your issue. |
They give warnings whenever they plan to run the script or at least they said they would. However names that went Unreserved then would still be Unreserved now.
"Null is as much an argument "for removing the cottage rule" as the moon being round is for buying tennis shoes." -Memphis Bill
I'm still not terribly interested in this idea. In the first post, there is the statement about "Many Players" on Freedom and Virtue encountering a "Lack of names. Playing on Virtue (and Justice and a few others) I've very rarely encountered this problem.
I do avoid using common, single-English-word names though, which helps, but still have never had to resort to unneccesary punctuation, oddball spellings or gawd-forbid, numbers.
Well, it mostly an one-time thing. Fire it off and never worry about names again. Although if it requires a ridiculous amount of coding and.or resources, then it's not really worth it. I don't face a big problem finding names, although I would sell my voice to Wailers just to get my hands on "Black Rabbit" (I want to roll Alice's White Rabbit's evil version - I have a huge concept ready, too).
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No, they said they didn't have to give warning. Only if the requirements changed. That said, they've announced twice since the new implementation (of inactive accounts with toons under 6 instead of inactive accounts with toons under 35) that they'd be doing name purges. That also said, they haven't said whether they've done it more often than that. :x
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Originally Posted by Lemur Lad
They give warnings whenever they plan to run the script or at least they said they would. However names that went Unreserved then would still be Unreserved now.
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Or, you could create characters on the other servers, where names are apparently more plentiful.
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There are a few other words for "Black" and for "Rabbit" as well.|
Originally Posted by xhris
Well, it mostly an one-time thing. Fire it off and never worry about names again. Although if it requires a ridiculous amount of coding and.or resources, then it's not really worth it. I don't face a big problem finding names, although I would sell my voice to Wailers just to get my hands on "Black Rabbit" (I want to roll Alice's White Rabbit's evil version - I have a huge concept ready, too).
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How about Lapin Sable? Lapin Noir? Obsidian Rabbit? Sable Bunny?
Use synonyms - you might even find something with a neat alliterative ring to it.
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Originally Posted by SpyralPegacyon
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Behold! The Ebon Bunny, shadow of all things cute and fuzzy! Master of carrots!
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Originally Posted by Ad Astra
There are a few other words for "Black" and for "Rabbit" as well.
How about Lapin Sable? Lapin Noir? Obsidian Rabbit? Sable Bunny? Use synonyms - you might even find something with a neat alliterative ring to it. |
http://www.fimfiction.net/story/36641/My-Little-Exalt
Name purges will not yield much until they start purging accounts regardless of level. Starting at accounts inactive for 4 years for example. If you have been gone for 4 years are you coming back? If you do, should your names have been kept for you?
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I am so glad someone already had "Blue Bunny" when I made my Tanker on Virtue. It forced me to come up with the far more clever, and far more enjoyable, Lapin Lazuli instead.
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Originally Posted by Ad Astra
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Originally Posted by Blue Rabbit
Black Rabbit is my Warshade. All my heroes are rabbits and all my villains are hares with a colour adjective. My Peacebringer is White Rabbit.
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Well, I'm actually happy the name was taken by a carrot-loyalist. If, by any chance, it becomes available again (not gonna happen, I know), can I have it??
...Lapin Lazuli??? That's awesome.
Edit: Maybe it's time bunnies beat catgirls to pulp and take the paragon crown?? What do you think??
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How about the Carbon Coney? Coal Cottontail? Jet Jackrabbit?|
Originally Posted by xhris
Well, it mostly an one-time thing. Fire it off and never worry about names again. Although if it requires a ridiculous amount of coding and.or resources, then it's not really worth it. I don't face a big problem finding names, although I would sell my voice to Wailers just to get my hands on "Black Rabbit" (I want to roll Alice's White Rabbit's evil version - I have a huge concept ready, too).
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[elmerfudd] Bwack Wabbit? [/elmerfudd]
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Certainly harder to design and maintain.|
Originally Posted by xhris
There would be twist, however: If any of those accounts become reactivated again, the original owners gain possession of the name again and the newly rolled toon with the same name gets a free respec.
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1) You'd have to store the link to the original nameholder. And preserve it even if the name then goes through multiple players on that server.
2) It moves the bone factor (who gets boned and how badly), but can still make an "innocent" third party take the choke. Joe creates Superguy then leaves CoX (ie. account unpaid, therefore inactive). Under this model, a year or so later, Frank creates Superguy, gets the name, which is linked back to Joe. Frank gets bored with the character and deletes Superguy. The name is now available but still has a link back to Joe somewhere (presumably). Ed comes along and creates Superguy. A month later Joe reactivates his account to play Going Rogue, and suddenly Ed loses his name.
And what if Frank is the one who went inactive and comes back? Is his claim to the name better than Ed's?
2a) Not knowing if a name is totally free (ie. you thought it up first) or provisionally free (ie. you can have it unless the original owner comes back) could be wearing. So perhaps players need a message that the name is theirs provisionally, and can decide to take it or make up another.
Offhand, a binary system (name is free, name is not free) is easier to maintain, and easier on the players. Adjusting the criteria by which names become free or become the property of a different player are easier to decide than resolving long term storage of links back to an original owner. Also, while it is nice of CoX to keep names around as long as possible for potentially returning players, how much does one defer to people paying no fees at the expense of those paying current fees?
I am not sure this design flies.
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Originally Posted by BBhumeBB
Certainly harder to design and maintain.
1) You'd have to store the link to the original nameholder. And preserve it even if the name then goes through multiple players on that server. 2) It moves the bone factor (who gets boned and how badly), but can still make an "innocent" third party take the choke. Joe creates Superguy then leaves CoX (ie. account unpaid, therefore inactive). Under this model, a year or so later, Frank creates Superguy, gets the name, which is linked back to Joe. Frank gets bored with the character and deletes Superguy. The name is now available but still has a link back to Joe somewhere (presumably). Ed comes along and creates Superguy. A month later Joe reactivates his account to play Going Rogue, and suddenly Ed loses his name. And what if Frank is the one who went inactive and comes back? Is his claim to the name better than Ed's? 2a) Not knowing if a name is totally free (ie. you thought it up first) or provisionally free (ie. you can have it unless the original owner comes back) could be wearing. So perhaps players need a message that the name is theirs provisionally, and can decide to take it or make up another. Offhand, a binary system (name is free, name is not free) is easier to maintain, and easier on the players. Adjusting the criteria by which names become free or become the property of a different player are easier to decide than resolving long term storage of links back to an original owner. Also, while it is nice of CoX to keep names around as long as possible for potentially returning players, how much does one defer to people paying no fees at the expense of those paying current fees? I am not sure this design flies. |
Edit: Do the devs monitor all game's microtransactions? I'm particularly interested in rename tokens. Do ppl actually buy them?? I heard a fair number used the free serv tranfers to rename old toons (I did, too). Well, if they dont sell well, maybe it's time for some free rename tokens or even a renaming mechanism ingame (like, talk to this guy to change your hero/villain id, just like trial respecs).
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Originally Posted by xhris
Yeah, seems like too much work for too little profit. I already stated that if this project requires that much coding then it's not worth it at all.
Edit: Do the devs monitor all game's microtransactions? I'm particularly interested in rename tokens. Do ppl actually buy them?? I heard a fair number used the free serv tranfers to rename old toons (I did, too). Well, if they dont sell well, maybe it's time for some free rename tokens or even a renaming mechanism ingame (like, talk to this guy to change your hero/villain id, just like trial respecs). |
I also purchased some server transfers, again the cost was trivial at the time and I was rebalancing my multiple small SGs across threee different servers.
I haven't needed to rename a character for some time now, though I wouldn't mind seeing something free. But in answer to your question, yes some people do buy rename tokens.
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Originally Posted by SpyralPegacyon
"You gave us a world where we could fly. I can't thank you enough for that."
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It doesn't realy matter how many names are purged. It matters how many names are purged that other people want.|
Originally Posted by Mr_Zek
Name purges will not yield much until they start purging accounts regardless of level. Starting at accounts inactive for 4 years for example. If you have been gone for 4 years are you coming back? If you do, should your names have been kept for you?
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The name purge policy was changed from lv35 to lv5 specifically based on what names were being claimed by new owners.
http://www.fimfiction.net/story/36641/My-Little-Exalt
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Originally Posted by Fleeting Whisper
It doesn't realy matter how many names are purged. It matters how many names are purged that other people want.
The name purge policy was changed from lv35 to lv5 specifically based on what names were being claimed by new owners. |
I wonder how many "freed" names from that are still showing as available versus used....
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Some people said they'd gotten a name they wanted after the purge that they couldn't have before. A lot of people said little changed. I saw no change whatsoever. The names I expected to be locked before the purge remained locked after the purge, and the names I tried after it were still free. Granted, I didn't try many, but I didn't see a difference.|
Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
And, quite honestly, those that were "purged" the first time (35 and below) are still "purged" if people want to pick them up. They wouldn't have gotten relocked.
I wonder how many "freed" names from that are still showing as available versus used.... |
That's what I keep saying with these purges - people always think that names are held by people who don't subscribe and never use them. This just isn't the case. I realise old accounts are a good scapegoat, but history has shown that that's not where most "good" names are. If you want the names you want, you'll have to take them from paying customers.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
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Many players have been complaining about the lack of names in populated servers like Virtue and Freedom. So what about devs give us access to names possessed by accounts inactive for 3 or more years, names with no globals and those possessed by trial accounts inactive for 2 or more years?
There would be twist, however: If any of those accounts become reactivated again, the original owners gain possession of the name again and the newly rolled toon with the same name gets a free respec.
Given that GR is introducing a new name system(name can used more than once by the same account), maybe this is the best time to implement a solution for this problem, too.
What's your feedback on this?
Edit: Please don't go all DOOOM! on this. This is more of a subject for chit-chat that a demand.