Are Kheldians Really Worth It?

Ultimately, PBs and WSs come down to this mighty difference:

PBs are slow and steady and safe, WSs are messy and chaotic, dominant when they are dominant, and...dead when they are not.

It's much like the difference between Tankers and Brutes. Safety is hardly ever a concern for a Tanker, but Brutes have so much more potential, so long as they're played well enough and given the chance to utilize it.

My only "problem" with Khelds is pre-20, where Quants and Voids can still ruin your day.

Okay i got a question referring Kheldians I dont have this class how do i get it?

I've got 3 PB and 3 WS and like em all. Each one built differently, all capable of getting the job done. WS is more efficient, however.

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I love my WS to pieces, and have ever since I got him up to the point where I saw how some of its powers could come together to make some "Seriously sikk komboz!" that most other sets can't duplicate. Right now, my Warshade summons two Extracted Essences out at once to help deal damage so that my damage is high, even when in dwarf form. In Nova Form, it's like having an AoE firing squad.

I love my PB to little, tiny shreds of confetti, and I have ever since I got Dwarf for and its melee strikes. I finally just respecc'd out of Nova form and made a Bi-form build based on quickly bouncing between Human and Dwarf Form and juggling mobs in the air, punctuated by exploding punches innaface. Seekers? Just another Melee attack. I drop 'em on top of an enemy as soon as they recharge. Pulsar is the third part of my opening attack. Warp in with Dwarf form, Stomp, go human, stomp, and Pulsar. Pulsar's low accuracy is boosted by global accuracy boosts and made more effective by the twin 18% defense debuffs that the stomps laid down, keeping minions occupied while the lieutenants and bosses are destroyed.

Did it take a while to get the powers I wanted? Not really. I just teamed with some friends while they teased me for playing Khelds until I respec'd into a build that I liked, and soon enough they stopped teasing. Because they got bored with it. The jerks.

After 6th respec with my "triform" build and 3rd respec of my human build, after spending millions and millions of influence to my PB, after spending countless hours playing Mids Online, I would never ever play anything this deeply and with such dedication than my Peacebringer.
And when I look my current builds I know they will get redone over and over again, until I have found what I am looking for and this will take a lot of time and enormous amount of influence. To your orginal question, are Kheldians really worth it? Hell no, unless you are have something wrong in your brainbox or you are looking for something special

I can scrap/blast/tank with my Human-only Peacebringer, so I enjoyed levelin'im. And to this day is probably the most expensive build I've done. I could've gone a cheaper route with a different concept in mind, but I knew what I wanted out o' the build and got it when I was finished.

I feel like an outcast in this thread but im gonna say it anyway

I like PBs better than my warshades. Im more of a team oriented player and Warshades are to "risky" for me; sure they may be much better but if they fail u screw the rest of the team.

On the other hand the PB is harder (notice "harder" not "hard") to play outside of teams than a WS so it really all depends on how you play

To answer the question "are kheldians really worth it?" my answer is yes they give you more freedom than the other ATs do and frankly they look cooler

After getting a Peacebringer to 41, I had to stop there, the charecter was just too poor to continue playing (other account not this one on EU )

The reason being, in a team or solo your pretty much forced to play in a poor state. Human form is where you get your most damage, outside of nova which is basically a weaker blaster with 0 resists and a deathwish since its an agro magnet, yet everytime you get in melee range to fire one of these powers in human form you are somehow mezzed almost every time. There survivability is good with the amount of heals they have but its very frustrating to get stopped because of an obvious flaw such as that.

You can now switch to dwarf to stop been mezzed, but this is basically forcing you to play a bad tanker. Ok it does look cool, but what goods looking cool if your physically useless? You can adapt sure, but why adapt when every role you play is worse than the role you could be playing as a normal charecter?

To me its just broken simple as.

Warshade however, is a different story, those can actually be really good in teams and stuff. Most people who play peacebringer stop after a few levels because the realise warshade is better anyway. Villain side epics are way better, my widow is always the last one standing in a team, and shes melee. My bane has amazing damage and still has some resists, which you just dont see on hero epics. Its terribly unbalanced in this way but since the actual teaming on heroes is more efficient due to the makeup and the fact no one on villains really seems to be able to match a tank for pure tanking ability other than a tankermind mastermind which arent that common, it kind of balances it out in a weird way.

I am not really gunna post too much of a long reply, but I like my WS more than any of my other toons. I find with my WS properlly slotted you can get a rather large damage output using Sunless Mire > Dwarf Form > Sunless Mire > Nova Form > Kill Everything > Human Form > Styigian Return. You can damage things fast enough and heal fast enough to survive most anything (In normal mobs). Of course this is on a good team where you are getting buffs from your inherit luckily I only ever play in teams, so if you like soloing... I dont know

I found it was a late bloomer but once you get into the 32s your a machine

I can't say I have the same love for my PB I just feel like a Gimped Tank/Blaster/Scrapper.

I am tempted to try a human only build specailly with the 2 builds you get for each toon.

You just need to be ready to swap your rolls depending on what AT balance you have.

As for slots I dont find I run out of slots too badly alot of slots I would waste on travel powers/health/stamina I do not need because I have travel powers already and with Stygian Return no need to worry for endurance. You dont NEED to slot anything, if you can't find the slots to slot your forms powers then dont you can put the enhancements on the form instead and save loads of slots. You still have the same amount of slots as any other AT you just have more choices as to where to put them.

I have 3 of each Kheld, all built a bit differently from each other and I enjoy them all.

"I like Khelds, and Khelds like me. Gotta love having 6 Khelds as triple Master winners, yessiree."

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I've seriously never run into the perma-mez problem you're describing. Get Acrobatics and casual holds will bounce off of you. Get the KB IOs (which anyone who does even casual runs of AE should be able to afford) and nothing short of Statesman will be able to knock you over. Even standing in huge groups of Freakshow, the only thing I ever have to worry about is daze, and it lasts for a few seconds at the most. If I'm really worried about it for whatever reason (Knives of Artemis, Malta), there are, again, Break Frees for this very purpose. It's easy to fall into the mode of just taking whatever inspirations fall into your lap and not customizing them for your situation and playstyle, but this isn't a problem of the class.

The strength of Peacebringers isn't that they do one thing particularly well, which is their point - they do a few things well, and it's this combination that makes them great group members. I have an excellent AoE daze to control things and, unlike a Controller, I have the resists to back it up and not take a dirtnap if I end up eating the alpha. I have a heal which is sorely underrated and wonderful for groups with bubble Defenders, since I can shore up their one Achilles' heel (healing whatever gets past). I can do damage; yes, it's not as good as a Blaster (but a Blaster doesn't have self-heals, near-capped resists and two or three extra lives), and it's not as good as a Scrapper (but Scrappers don't have multiple ranged attacks and the control I offer), but it's still well above-average - Incandescent Strike is a beast with Build Up and is, coincidentally, another great form of control you get to shut down priority targets. People tend to deride the Peacebringer KBs, and while I'll agree that the Solar Flare KB is annoying, the rest are fine. It's all about positioning yourself so that you can keep targets flat on the mat while not smacking them away from your melee, which is a skill you learn very quickly. Radiant Strike is great for smacking loose mobs into the death zone of AoEs that my team is pumping out.

I'd like to know where this "90% of the time" statistic comes from because I have frankly never been refused membership on a team because I'm a human-form Peacebringer. I've never received so much as a nasty comment, even during those times when I've been lazy or positioned myself badly and flung huge groups around with Solar Flare. I've always benefited my team immensely with clutch heals, control, and strong spike damage on vulnerable targets while also being ridiculously self-reliant. It sounds like you simply never ended up fitting into the class, which is fine - I've never fit into the Corruptor or Mastermind role very well either. It becomes much easier to play (and you become much more effective) when you stop comparing it to other classes and simply compare it to itself, because Peacebringers are incomparable to any of the other archetypes in the game. Even the VEATs are a completely different bag of hay, though they share similar principles.

Kheldians are worth it if you've ever wanted to play Paper/Rock/Scissors, but be able to look at your opponents' hand right before they call their move and surprise them with a move of your own.

As far as I'm concerned, both my Kheldian main characters are the most satisfying characters I've got in CoH/V.