I hate you, Masque.
MoSTF for the win! Down with Dr. Kahn runners!
Guide: Tanking, Wall of Fire Style (Updated for I19!), and the Four Rules of Tanking
Story Arc: Belated Justice, #88003
Synopsis: Explore the fine line between justice and vengeance as you help a hero of Talos Island bring his friend's murderer to justice.
Grey Pilgrim: Fire/Fire Tanker (50), Victory
I can be a possible. Time might not work quite right for me. Could bring a dark/sonic Def or Ill/Rad troller.
I've already forgotten about most of you
5 spots open as of now:
1) Die Hard Killer- Blaster
2) Miracle Masque- Rad
3) Voodoo- Dark or Ill
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8)
<- Didn't die
danke
I've already forgotten about most of you
It was a very smooth run, I think it was 54 minutes.
Beer tanked
Fyre Colded
Voodoo Dark/sonic'ed
DHK blasted
and I ILL/rad'ed
Gratz, wish the MoSTF had worked out for us as well. 
Guide: Tanking, Wall of Fire Style (Updated for I19!), and the Four Rules of Tanking
Story Arc: Belated Justice, #88003
Synopsis: Explore the fine line between justice and vengeance as you help a hero of Talos Island bring his friend's murderer to justice.
Grey Pilgrim: Fire/Fire Tanker (50), Victory
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Well goes to show you GP that Masque is the true master here on Victory |
Originally Posted by Grey Pilgrim
Gratz, wish the MoSTF had worked out for us as well.
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Originally Posted by PennyPA
Well goes to show you GP that Masque is the true master here on Victory
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Guide: Tanking, Wall of Fire Style (Updated for I19!), and the Four Rules of Tanking
Story Arc: Belated Justice, #88003
Synopsis: Explore the fine line between justice and vengeance as you help a hero of Talos Island bring his friend's murderer to justice.
Grey Pilgrim: Fire/Fire Tanker (50), Victory
Nah, Mstf is 100times harder then Mdr.k
I never would have guessed, Masque. Maybe you can join me for a Master run next week to help out, eh?
What are all the TFs with Master badges, again? All I could find on Paragonwiki were for the STF, Dr. Kahn, and ITF, but I thought there were more blueside. Can you not get them for most of the TFs blueside?
Guide: Tanking, Wall of Fire Style (Updated for I19!), and the Four Rules of Tanking
Story Arc: Belated Justice, #88003
Synopsis: Explore the fine line between justice and vengeance as you help a hero of Talos Island bring his friend's murderer to justice.
Grey Pilgrim: Fire/Fire Tanker (50), Victory
Just those 3.
I've already forgotten about most of you
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Yup. You can put master settings on all of them, but only those give the Master of badges.
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Originally Posted by VoodooCompany
Just those 3.
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Weird. I was always under the impression that they all had the setting. Guess I've never really bothered to check. I don't think they're really needed for the original TFs, but I'd like to see it for the LGTF: that'd be a decent challenge.
Guide: Tanking, Wall of Fire Style (Updated for I19!), and the Four Rules of Tanking
Story Arc: Belated Justice, #88003
Synopsis: Explore the fine line between justice and vengeance as you help a hero of Talos Island bring his friend's murderer to justice.
Grey Pilgrim: Fire/Fire Tanker (50), Victory
For the LGTF, the only "hard" part is Hamidon. While I'm not sure, but I doubt it, his globs of goo can't be defense'd against. While it wouldn't be impossible, I'd imagine it'd be the hardest of the Masters to get overall? Tack on the utter neutering the Greens can do to a team as you get rid of the Mitos, and it just wouldn't really be worth it. *shrug*
Besides, it's way more fun to aggro him and the yolk balls to play nice with the Rikti horde. If you're doing it as a tank, you're a #@$%#@ @#$ #@ %$% $#@ slacker...... >.>
I've already forgotten about most of you
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Pretty much. Hamidon's (and his mitos) attacks aren't flagged as having a type or positional component. I believe the only kind of defense that works against it is "base defense", which works against everything. Unfortunately, I'm 95% sure that all kinds of base defense have been removed from the game. :P|
Originally Posted by VoodooCompany
For the LGTF, the only "hard" part is Hamidon. While I'm not sure, but I doubt it, his globs of goo can't be defense'd against. While it wouldn't be impossible, I'd imagine it'd be the hardest of the Masters to get overall? Tack on the utter neutering the Greens can do to a team as you get rid of the Mitos, and it just wouldn't really be worth it. *shrug*
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Of course, Hamidon would be a moot point for a MoLGTF run - you could always bring EoEs.
Also works better on "pure" teams for MoLGTF so you can still access base storage. That way you don't have to waste inspiration space on the EoE's.
Chief Hamster of the Fist of Justice / Shadows of Victory
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I dunno, I would think it's at least on par with Dr. Kahn, if not a bit more difficult. There are a fair amount of ambushes and AVs, and some of those rooms are extremely crowded, so you would have to be careful with aggro there. The Riders can be a little more tricky as well: especially with their debuffs (as Hammy said many times this weekend "damn end drain!"). |
Originally Posted by VoodooCompany
For the LGTF, the only "hard" part is Hamidon.
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I'm not saying it is the most challenging thing ever, but it's above the challenge of the Phalanx TFs and seems worthy of adding a "Master" badge to it.
Guide: Tanking, Wall of Fire Style (Updated for I19!), and the Four Rules of Tanking
Story Arc: Belated Justice, #88003
Synopsis: Explore the fine line between justice and vengeance as you help a hero of Talos Island bring his friend's murderer to justice.
Grey Pilgrim: Fire/Fire Tanker (50), Victory
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But all of that becomes cheescake with the usual run-and-gun, high defense teams that plow through the other Master of TFs. The Riders are *nothing* if they can't hit you, just like any AV. And they are even easier to neuter than most AVs. The only thing, IMO, the LGTF has that's even remotely interesting/challenging is Hamidon. |
Originally Posted by Grey Pilgrim
I dunno, I would think it's at least on par with Dr. Kahn, if not a bit more difficult. There are a fair amount of ambushes and AVs, and some of those rooms are extremely crowded, so you would have to be careful with aggro there. The Riders can be a little more tricky as well: especially with their debuffs (as Hammy said many times this weekend "damn end drain!").
I'm not saying it is the most challenging thing ever, but it's above the challenge of the Phalanx TFs and seems worthy of adding a "Master" badge to it. |
I had forgotten about the EoEs because I've never bothered to get or use them. I just plan on dying in that mission, and it's only going to be by the long-range AoE glob of doom.
I imagine the real reason there is no Master of for this, as Sarrate likes to #@$#@ CHIME IN WITH STUFF I FORGOT ABOUT
is due to the EoEs negating Hamidon damage. I assume they also do the same for Mito damage and effects? Again, I never bother with them.Would I run it as a Master of? Sure. Would I do it more than once? No
I've already forgotten about most of you
We used to run lgtfs with dual colds (which makes every mission fairly easy)and honestly, even Hami is pretty easy, we typically do not have anyone drop on the mitos as long as everyone stays on target.
I would rate the tfs:
Dr.K < LGTF< STF<ITF
I really disike Mitf because of the 5% chance of the cysts hitting you then a stray traitor or nictus droping you with a lucky hit.
If only there were attacks that you could use at range to finish the cysts off... The devs should add them in I18. We could call them... Distant Punching Attacks.
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Rock, rock on Hamster.
Typically the safest place on a Masters run is actually near the tank not away from the group where an ambush could spawn on you.
Also I prefer to have everyone stick as close as possible to maximize aura buffs both toggle and clicks.
Masque... the STF is far more challenging than the ITF for the Master's badge. The ambushes don't come in right when you defeat the crystals, and there is plenty of time to clump up or react to them (heck, sometimes the ambushes don't even find you: you just have to be careful if you have to backtrack to them). If you're really worried about it, have two tanks like I did and aggro management is a breeze in that one. The only two people close to the cysts were our two tanks: we had everyone else back up.
STF has many more opportunities to get you if you're not careful, I would say. And no matter what, that last mission is more tricky than anything in the ITF.
Guide: Tanking, Wall of Fire Style (Updated for I19!), and the Four Rules of Tanking
Story Arc: Belated Justice, #88003
Synopsis: Explore the fine line between justice and vengeance as you help a hero of Talos Island bring his friend's murderer to justice.
Grey Pilgrim: Fire/Fire Tanker (50), Victory
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I've run enough (trust me) itfs to know that ambushes can and will spawn right on top of you. |
Originally Posted by Grey Pilgrim
Masque... the STF is far more challenging than the ITF for the Master's badge. The ambushes don't come in right when you defeat the crystals, and there is plenty of time to clump up or react to them (heck, sometimes the ambushes don't even find you: you just have to be careful if you have to backtrack to them).
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Crystal explode+ambush spawn "may" equal unavoidable deaths.
On the STF there are no insta ambush spawns. The Security Chiefs? mission spawns two ambushes but they run to you and never spawn on you. The last mission of the stf while hard still does not have the nasty spike potential that the cysts do.
I guess GP what my point boils down to is this:
at soft cap, you have a 5% chance of getting hit. The more things attack you the greater your chance of being hit is. If a cyst hits you, you will be very close to dead if your not on a melee toon, then you add in an ambush of what ... idk... 15-20 traitors+ 1 EB. There is a good potential for the squishy to get squished.
Everyone has different play styles and different techniques for running these types of Masters tfs. I was simply stating my experience with these tfs. So maybe for you the STF is the hardest, for me I worry more about the ITF.
That's my point, though, Masque. You keep pointing out the danger of exploding crystals, when the danger does not even have to be there. They have enough HP that it is easy to get everyone that should not be in range, out of range. You can be out of range of the crystals exploding and still quite close to the team, and fairly safe in that regard.
We had the ambushes spawn in repeatedly on top of Talnar's head (and he was on a Stalker), partially because he was standing out from the group. Heck, I'd be hard pressed to think of a time when someone has died from one of the crystal ambushes on the ITF. Guess you have had some bad luck?
Guide: Tanking, Wall of Fire Style (Updated for I19!), and the Four Rules of Tanking
Story Arc: Belated Justice, #88003
Synopsis: Explore the fine line between justice and vengeance as you help a hero of Talos Island bring his friend's murderer to justice.
Grey Pilgrim: Fire/Fire Tanker (50), Victory
So Die Hard Killer would like to get the MoDrK badge. We could use a really good tank any other then that really anything works.
6 spots open as of now:
1) Die Hard Killer- Blaster
2) Miracle Masque- Rad
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8)
We will be forming up Sat. 2/13/10 at 9pm EST.