I17 - Dark Mirror

LiquidX · 02-09-2010 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Adeon Hawkwood

It is specifically stated to be an invisibility power. Given the way stealth works in the game to avoid providing PvE stealth when stacked with a stelath IO it would need to be VERY low magnitude which would render it completely useless.

Yes, it was mentioned to be a stealth power. But we don't know exactly how it's going to work yet, so it's best not to assume how it will.

Anchor · 02-09-2010 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Sardan

Lest people get too jazzed about a doppleganger nemesis system, remember that that was not part of the announcement. That was a guess by the author of the article.

But if it isn't true, the issue name makes zero sense in relation to what we do know is going to be in it.

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Anti_Proton · 02-09-2010 11:14 AM

Ok Nemesis system or not? I need to know!

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Golden Girl · 02-09-2010 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Anti_Proton

Ok Nemesis system or not? I need to know!

I'm going with "no" - this speculation about "doppelgangers" just doesn't sound like a nemesis system.

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Adeon Hawkwood · 02-09-2010 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by LiquidX

Yes, it was mentioned to be a stealth power. But we don't know exactly how it's going to work yet, so it's best not to assume how it will.

Why not, mechanically speaking there are only a few ways it can work. And it seems reasonable to assume that ti will be on a similar level to the existing bonus inherent powers.

Redbone · 02-09-2010 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Adeon Hawkwood

It is specifically stated to be an invisibility power. Given the way stealth works in the game to avoid providing PvE stealth when stacked with a stelath IO it would need to be VERY low magnitude which would render it completely useless. The only powers of that low a magnitude are the phase shift powers and they provide something useful aside from stealth. The only alternative would be if it were a short duration click power rather than a toggle.

If it follows the trend, it will be a limited utility power. Every "extra" power gotten through a preorder or special edition and to a lesser degree the booster packs, has been of limited utility (reskinned sprints, TP to PocketD, TP to Mission Door, Jump Pack, Self-Destruct, Tarot Card Buffs). There's no reason to expect this one to be any different. Useful, especially in the lower levels, but situational.

Adeon Hawkwood · 02-09-2010 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Redbone

If it follows the trend, it will be a limited utility power. Every "extra" power gotten through a preorder or special edition and to a lesser degree the booster packs, has been of limited utility (reskinned sprints, TP to PocketD, TP to Mission Door, Jump Pack, Self-Destruct, Tarot Card Buffs). There's no reason to expect this one to be any different. Useful, especially in the lower levels, but situational.

Actually I would argue the opposite, if a stealth power is useful at all it will be in the higher levels when you've got something to stack it with and/or have Recall Friend. Besides, all stealth powers are inherently situational. They do jack in a kill all mission

Vega · 02-09-2010 11:19 AM

I guess I was right

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Xaphan · 02-09-2010 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Redbone

If it follows the trend, it will be a limited utility power. Every "extra" power gotten through a preorder or special edition and to a lesser degree the booster packs, has been of limited utility (reskinned sprints, TP to PocketD, TP to Mission Door, Jump Pack, Self-Destruct, Tarot Card Buffs). There's no reason to expect this one to be any different. Useful, especially in the lower levels, but situational.

On the other hand, Ninja Run.

Techbot Alpha · 02-09-2010 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Zwillinger

GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.

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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon

NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.

Golden Girl · 02-09-2010 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Xaphan

On the other hand, Ninja Run.

Ninja run using your other hand?

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Adeon Hawkwood · 02-09-2010 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha

Wow... that really, really sucks. On the plus side the usefulness of stelth powers has not changed. Where did you get that from?

Lothic · 02-09-2010 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Golden Girl

I going with "no" - this speculation about "doppelgangers" just doesn't sound like a nemesis system.

I doubt we would ever get anything 100% identical to CO's Nemesis system.
But I could easily see a CoX "doppelganger" system become our equivalent to it.

While it might be fun to stand in a room and fight NPC clones of my characters that by itself would not be very fun for long. I would suspect that the "doppelganger" system would be introduced as a series of missions, a TF or some other kind of random encounters that would expand the concept out longer than just one massive fight scene.

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Golden Girl · 02-09-2010 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Lothic

I doubt we would ever get anything 100% identical to CO's Nemesis system.
But I could easily see a CoX "doppelganger" system become our equivalent to it.

While it might be fun to stand in a room and fight NPC clones of my characters that by itself would not be very fun for long. I would suspect that the "doppelganger" system would be introduced as a series of missions, a TF or some other kind of random encounters that would expand the concept out longer than just one massive fight scene.

A follow up, from War Witch:

"Just to clarify before speculation runs toooooo rampant, we're not doing a Nemesis-type system for Issue 17."

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Vega · 02-09-2010 11:30 AM

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New badges, new missions and new player emotes

Epic Archetypes now available at level 20

Improvements and additions to Mission Architect

Enhancements to UI and game systems

And dozens more

Woah

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Lothic · 02-09-2010 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Golden Girl

A follow up, from War Witch:

"Just to clarify before speculation runs toooooo rampant, we're not doing a Nemesis-type system for Issue 17."

That's fine. Very vague and leaves lots of possibilities that are not 'quite' a Nemesis system, but fine.

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Radubadu · 02-09-2010 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Golden Girl

A follow up, from War Witch:

"Just to clarify before speculation runs toooooo rampant, we're not doing a Nemesis-type system for Issue 17."

This is rather disheartening, but it doesn't rule it out as a possibility for future issues.

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Anti_Proton · 02-09-2010 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Lothic

That's fine. Very vague and leaves lots of possibilities that are not 'quite' a Nemesis system, but fine.

I see what she did there.

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Techbot Alpha · 02-09-2010 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Adeon Hawkwood

Wow... that really, really sucks. On the plus side the usefulness of stelth powers has not changed. Where did you get that from?

Copied from another thread ^^; heh. No idea, I would guess it's in game?

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Originally Posted by Zwillinger

GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.

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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon

NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.

White Hot Flash · 02-09-2010 11:35 AM

Perhaps the Dark Mirror is a reference to the Praetorian AVs we've come to know and love. They could be gearing up for some type of major assault on our world, and the "more missions" could be things to do that would either slow them down, or perhaps introduce us to the Resistance or other factions we'll be seeing more of in Praetoria.

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Golden Girl · 02-09-2010 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Radubadu

This is rather disheartening

Only if you interpreted the title "Dark Mirror" and the "nefarious new foe" who can match us "blow for blow" quotes as being some sort of nemesis/rogues gallery rather than some kind of doppelganger

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Mental_Giant · 02-09-2010 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Golden Girl

Only if you interpreted the title "Dark Mirror" and the "nefarious new foe" who can match us "blow for blow" quotes as being some sort of nemesis/rogues gallery rather than some kind of doppelganger

It could have been either, but Nemesis would have been the more interesting result.

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Golden Girl · 02-09-2010 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Mental_Giant

It could have been either, but Nemesis would have been the more interesting result.

The title "Dark Mirror" does not imply a nemesis system, and neither does an enemy that can match us "blow for blow"

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Memphis_Bill · 02-09-2010 11:48 AM

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I am a bit confused tho. Will I need to spend 29.99 on the pre order and then 399.00 on the complete edition? Or will one purchase go towards the other. I want to pre-order, but I also want the complete edition.

I don't know how the NCSoft store will work - if Aion's any indication, there'll be two separate preorder options (one for regular, one for complete.)

If you preorder the physical box, most stores will let you say "Y'know, upgrade my preorder to the complete edition."

And if you pay $399 for it, you've been overcharged just a bit. >.>

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Radubadu · 02-09-2010 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Mental_Giant

It could have been either, but Nemesis would have been the more interesting result.

Agreed... but hopefully they're not ruling it out as a feature in a future issue.

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