Going Rogue: Quick Graphics Card Question
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Posted on: 2010-02-06 08:48 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
low end =/ always check the second digit.
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That's a *very* basic graphics card. You might want to check out the Ultra Mode Shopping Guide thread that Positron started in the Developer's Corner, and you would likely get better answers to your hardware questions in the Technical Issues & Bugs section.
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Originally Posted by NeonPower
Hey, i'm getting myself a new pc cos my current one sucks for new games. I found a pc that is pretty descent in all aspects but i wanna check how the graphics card will perform in terms of going rogue.
The Card is a 1.5GB NVIDIA GeForce GT230 graphics card. Thanx for reading =) -NP |
If you can afford to splash out a bit more, then maybe aim a bit higher in the 2-- range. Posi said that the GTX 280 onwards would give the better results.
Again, it also depends on the rest of the rig. And I dont know enough about Computers to hazard more than a sketchy guess =P
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.
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The GT240 operates around/below the 9800 GT "entry point" that Positron listed. The GT230 is below even that. Don't think that Nvidia ever makes understanding their products from nomenclature easy; quite the opposite.
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Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
If you can afford to splash out a bit more, then maybe aim a bit higher in the 2-- range.
That said, it's withing the mid/upper limit that Posi posted a while back. So it might not be 'the best' (somethimg like the 280 onwards) but it'll be pretty damn good. |
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Aye, I edited my post as suddenly remember 'Hey, I needed someone to actually BUILD my rig for me..why am I acting like I know again?' |
Originally Posted by Human_Being
The GT240 operates around/below the 9800 GT "entry point" that Positron listed. The GT230 is below even that. Don't think that Nvidia ever makes understanding their products from nomenclature easy; quite the opposite.
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.
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What you want is this card:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814143197
It is what I had before I upgraded for Ultra Mode.
I upgraded because I am anal.
But, that card would have played Ultra Mode awesomely on Medium Settings, pushing some of them to max.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814261053
Same card diff manufacturer.
Gngngng...
*sigh*
Well, I know what I'm saving up for in future. One of the higher Nvidia cards. And whatever else I need to slap on the rig to make it work.
Damn you, obsessive gaming! /e shakefist
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.
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Originally Posted by Perfect_Pain
What you want is this card:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814143197 It is what I had before I upgraded for Ultra Mode. I upgraded because I am anal. But, that card would have played Ultra Mode awesomely on Medium Settings, pushing some of them to max. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814261053 Same card diff manufacturer. |
Hmm. I wonder if this would fit in my current case.
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This is my current case:|
Originally Posted by Nightphall
Hmm. I wonder if this would fit in my current case.
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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811129058
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Going Rogue =/= Ultra Mode|
Originally Posted by NeonPower
Hey, i'm getting myself a new pc cos my current one sucks for new games. I found a pc that is pretty descent in all aspects but i wanna check how the graphics card will perform in terms of going rogue.
The Card is a 1.5GB NVIDIA GeForce GT230 graphics card. Thanx for reading =) -NP |
For Going Rogue, anything that will run the game currently will almost certainly run Going Rogue.
Ultra Mode is a different question entirely.
Nobody really knows what will or won't be a good card for Ultra Mode.
However, the most recent info we've got is from Positron, here.
Other than that, so far as I'm aware, everything is speculation. Go for the biggest baddest, shiniest video card you can get/afford, cross your fingers, wait and hope.
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The above post may contain Cynicism, sarcasm and/or pessimism. If you object to the quantities contained, then tough.
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Yes we do... Positron made a post about it already >.>|
Originally Posted by Canine
Going Rogue =/= Ultra Mode
For Going Rogue, anything that will run the game currently will almost certainly run Going Rogue. Ultra Mode is a different question entirely. Nobody really knows what will or won't be a good card for Ultra Mode. However, the most recent info we've got is from Positron, here. Other than that, so far as I'm aware, everything is speculation. Go for the biggest baddest, shiniest video card you can get/afford, cross your fingers, wait and hope. |
and you have it linked, so WHY???? say we dont know???? when we do.
Because it's subject to change until its actually released.
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.
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I think the reason he made that post is because those are "rough estimates".|
Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
Because it's subject to change until its actually released.
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If some dingbat >.> went out and got a 295... I don't think there is any way in flubberdigibblet it won't play UM on high settings.
Which would make Posi's statement a fact.
Well yeah, they can't really spec things for higher than the top of the range, can they? That'd require time travel power.
Or this guy as a Dev;
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.
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remember, the devs have access to Ouroborus.
Well since we are asking.
Does anyone know how a Geforce 9800 GTX Plus will fare? I've looked it up on wiki and it's obviously better than the 9800 gt which posi mentioned, and it even seems comporable to the higher GT 200 series cards, but I'm not a Graphics card expert.
Also, I have 2, linked Graphics cards. Anyone know if that helps for City of Heroes, or does CoX only use one at a time?
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Originally Posted by Ice_Wall
Well since we are asking.
Does anyone know how a Geforce 9800 GTX Plus will fare? I've looked it up on wiki and it's obviously better than the 9800 gt which posi mentioned, and it even seems comporable to the higher GT 200 series cards, but I'm not a Graphics card expert. Also, I have 2, linked Graphics cards. Anyone know if that helps for City of Heroes, or does CoX only use one at a time? |
http://www.gpureview.com/show_cards....=559&card2=568 - 260
http://www.gpureview.com/show_cards....=559&card2=609 - 275
http://www.gpureview.com/show_cards....=559&card2=605 - 285
http://www.gpureview.com/show_cards....=559&card2=603 - 295
The 9800 GTX doesn't really compete with the higher end 200 series...
But you should be able to play UM on low medium, I think.
From Posi's post:
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| If you are looking to spend under US$100, then an NVidia 9800 GT is your best bet. For AMD (ATI/Radeon), we don’t have enough of these cards at this price point to get you good data. This would be the minimum card for enabling all the features, only at reduced quality settings. |
http://www.gpureview.com/show_cards....=559&card2=606
I just looked up the 9800GTX+, and its honestly pretty much the exact same as the other. So, all the previous links are correct.
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We don't KNOW.|
Originally Posted by Perfect_Pain
and you have it linked, so WHY???? say we dont know???? when we do.
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If you check Positrons post, you'll see that all the info there was a best estimate at the time he posted (early-mid December) and potentially subject to change. Best estimates are NOT the same as knowing for certain. We also don't know at what point on the development cycle they were when that was posted, so we don't know how likely it is that things will or won't change.
We have some information, but not enough (IMO) to make guaranteed decisions. And all the frantic fanbase 'SQUEE'ing in the world won't change that.
I consider it to be slightly irresponsible to misrepresent 'best estimate' info as 'this is 100% guaranteed' info, so I couched my post in conservative tones.
*Especially* when you're dealing with a situation where people are going to have to spend money on hardware, and not everyone out there has unlimited funds to spend on PC guts.
Calm down a little, GR and Ultra mode will arrive when they arrive. And there's not a thing any of us can do to change that.
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Originally Posted by Perfect_Pain
If some dingbat >.> went out and got a 295... I don't think there is any way in flubberdigibblet it won't play UM on high settings.
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It's not something that Cryptic/Paragon are known for, admittedly. They generally do a good job of making sure 'legacy' hardware runs their new stuff fine, but it's not beyond the realms of possibility that it'll take another year for hardware to become completely comfortable with Ultra Mode.
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don't forget that precedent was also set with Everquest 2 for an MMO to intentionally have models, textures, and polygon build settings that exceed current hardware capabilities.
So there is a chance that some of the eye candy that could be made to work within the game may not run at appreciable frame-rates even on the latest cards.
However, we can sort of discount the idea that Ultra Mode will be too performance intensive. One of the factors to keep in mind is that Paragon Studios is maintaining the current graphics engine. That means that all of the underlying geometry will need to be built with the current graphics engine limitations in mind. This means that the eye-candy effects can only go so far. If you watch the video from the HeroCon opening keynote, you'll see that the Ultra-Mode effects only affect surface visible objects, such as reflections, shadows, water, and textures. So there is a question of exactly how far Ultra-Mode can actually push the game's graphics.
We also can reliably guess from the cards listed by Positron that the Ultra Mode graphics engine is leveraging OpenGL 3.0 as the rendering API. We can then infer from Posi's post that Ultra-Mode is being performance limited by the graphics card, not feature limited or performance limited by the processor. We also know from Ghost Falcon at HeroCon that the starting point for their coders was the RadeonHD 4850.
So, we know what the target platform is / was for a smooth framerate.
We don't know what the resolution scaling is though.
My guess, given how the RadeonHD 4850 performs in other games, is that the resolution scaling is based around 1080p, or 1920*1080.
If we assume a resolution scaling of 720p though, which is 1280*720 or the more common LCD panel 1440*900, you'll want something more powerful than the 4850 to drive a higher resolution.
I'm just wondering if I can run Ultra Mode at 1920x1200 with maxed out texture, draw distance, particle effects, and etc. with my GTX 285.
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for specifics we'll just have to wait for the code to hit the test server.
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Originally Posted by bAss_ackwards
I'm just wondering if I can run Ultra Mode at 1920x1200 with maxed out texture, draw distance, particle effects, and etc. with my GTX 285.
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And that kills me. More waiting. Bah.|
Originally Posted by je_saist
for specifics we'll just have to wait for the code to hit the test server.
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Also: I wish people would vote with Dr. Aeon so we can have the shinies sooner.
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We do know. Positron said for the holidays if you are upgrading, then buy THIS...|
Originally Posted by Canine
We don't KNOW.
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The only person who doesnt know... is whoever choses to not believe what Positron said.
Frankly I dont know why you are arguing everything I have said in this thread is a FACT.
If he is upgrading he should get an Nvidia 260 because it is far better than what he was talking about.
Hey, i'm getting myself a new pc cos my current one sucks for new games. I found a pc that is pretty descent in all aspects but i wanna check how the graphics card will perform in terms of going rogue.
The Card is a 1.5GB NVIDIA GeForce GT230 graphics card.
Thanx for reading =)
-NP