Public Apology
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Adeon Hawkwood,
Posted on: 2010-01-12 14:28 in Archetypes and Powers General Discussion
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There's a huge difference between poor communication skills and typos. I think that is the point Schismatix is trying to make.|
Originally Posted by Fire_Minded
Ohhh,almost forgot!The way a person spells,uses comma's,ect....doesnt reflect on there overall intellegence,it just means they have bad writting habits.Habits im fine with.
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But, when it comes to trying to communicate points, it is far better to try to be as clear as possible and eliminate any obstacles that you might create in communication. It's common courtesy, and it's something people seem to lack.
It has been said that people often judge others within the first ten minutes of meeting them. After that time is up, it is difficult for that person to change any judgment that has been made on them. Therefore, if one does value being an effective and respected member of society, it is probably a good idea not to flaunt poor grammar.
For some reason flaunting poor grammar seems to be popular now. I don't get it. It doesn't mean I want a pristine post, but I certainly respect the posters on this board that seem to put some effort into their posts more than those that don't.
I have to agree that posts that are largely non-intelligible are not effective in any way. Instead of reading the post and responding to what is being discussed, I normally end up agonizing over all of the errors and not getting anywhere. Perhaps it is the journalist in me, but I am always in proofreading mode. It is pretty clear that the OP just doesn't give a damn about trying to communicate effectively with other forum goers.
I give kudos to the OP for making amends with some people, but please use a space after commas and pay attention to the little red line that appears under words you are typing when constructing a post. (That tells you that the word is likely incorrectly spelled.) If you are not going to give a damn about the way you write your posts, you can't expect others to give a damn about reading them.
Words to the wise aren't necessary- it's the stupid ones that need them.
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Ah well...
What started with an apology over (apparently) stupid behavior in an attempt to explain that the OP is not a jerk... turned into an example of the OP displaying jerky tendencies.
When Adeon Hawkwood offered help... The OP replies back as a jerk.
Don't claim Adeon, or any number of the people who have a greater grasp of grammar than you, must have some pathetic issue in their lives because they notice poor grammar/punctuation (and actually offer helpful corrections to you). Your reply to having your own grammatical errors pointed out shows some more of your own issues.
Now... you can take this post from a stranger however you want to.
I suppose I could have just asked if you were drinking again.
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I would speculate on when specifically high school ended for you, but I have my doubts on whether or not you actually graduated.|
Originally Posted by Fire_Minded
Ummm,high school was over for me a loooong time ago
I caution you though.....Im a expert at making a *BLEEP* of my self on rare moments that life gets me down,but by no means does it mean your free of that rederict. Ohhh,almost forgot!The way a person spells,uses comma's,ect....doesnt reflect on there overall intellegence,it just means they have bad writting habits.Habits im fine with. |
The second part of your post that I quoted is proven with the post itself, no need to caution anyone, we're aware.
Fire_Minded pay attention... if you've not noticed your own pattern I'll point it out to you. Every post you make where you're acting like a tool (which is more and more often) is followed by people pointing it out as tactfully as possible at which point you respond by being a bigger tool. People then try to again point out how you're acting and that it's not very becomming at which point you usually stop responding which tells me "maybe it's finally sinking in" and with the OP in this thread I thought it had. I was wrong.
Take it how you will but if YOU are the only person that doesn't see an issue and EVERYONE else does... don't you think that they might have a valid point?
Finally regarding the last part I quoted... you could be a genius for all we know but the inability to convey opinions in an intelligent way makes what, if any intelligence you have irrelevant because it sounds like it's coming from a child or a mentally disabled person. The only thing worse than that is your complacency with the "habits" that make you look like a retard, which is just downright pathetic.
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It does mean a number of things. First of them being your way of communicating frustrates people. I guess you know basic maths, so let me ask you something: which requires less overall work; one person correcting the minor mistakes in his text before posting it or the tens/hundreds of people reading it who all have to correct those mistakes before the text starts making any sense?|
Originally Posted by Fire_Minded
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Ummm,high school was over for me a loooong time ago,and you seem to belive heavly in proper grammar,but,i dont.The fact that you even go on ..and on....and on...about grammar may mean a number of things. |
There are a few things I believe in grammar: 1) good grammar is less likely to get snarky responses, 2) bad grammar makes even a post with intelligence behind it seem stupid because most people just cling onto the grammar issues instead of the topic at hand, 3) good grammar doesn't require much work at all. At least not for me, and English is my 2nd or 3rd language, depending how you look at it, so I'd guess it should be even easier for a native English speaker.
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Either you are trying to get a passive emotional response from my self,or others,or your simply bored,and feel you are a superiour being compaired to the rest of us,which is hard to prove by pointing out spelling and punctuation.
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In your posts, I'd say it's quite excessive that you don't use spaces after punctuation marks. What's next, no spaces between words?
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Ohhh,almost forgot!The way a person spells,uses comma's,ect....doesnt reflect on there overall intellegence,it just means they have bad writting habits.Habits im fine with.
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That's just how we work as human beings.
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Apparently you don't need rare moments to accomplish that. |
Originally Posted by Fire_Minded
I caution you though.....Im a expert at making a *BLEEP* of my self on rare moments that life gets me down,but by no means does it mean your free of that rederict.  |
Here we are in a thread where you were apologizing for bad behaviour and it was going well until someone chose to correct you (in a fair effort to protect us all from a grammatical eyesore). Now, sans alcohol (I'm assuming) you are degenerating into a belligerent, even petulant, poster who won't accept that the advice is solid and that following would have long-term benefits here.
Wow, I think I see a pattern now my self.
When someone mentions that they dont really care about something, all the sudden, people crop up using the word "Tool" as if they are smart enough to slip it in there, beause they belive it to be a passive insult that the reader may be to dim-witted to catch, or be insulted by.
Not only have you went to calling me names that only someone who "Belives" that they are smarter then another person would use, there have been quite a few imbellishments as well.
Like Tonality's reply, that has writting in it that is being compaired to my own.Writting in which you definatly cannot understand.
The sheer fact that you guys are "Reading" every word im saying, then comming back to attack, leads me to belive that those of you who have insisted on focusing on a simple thing, such as another persons writting errors, and lack of care simply because no one has complained about it before, makes me look at the entire post, and the replies to find one quote comes to mind about the entire thing.
You see, Tonality, as well as a few of you others who have openly assualted my Grammar, for nothing more then to abuse the fact that someone has apologized, and admitted to being weak in one area or another leads me to nelive that the old quote, "No good deed goes unpunished." to be true.
When I mentioned highschool being over, it was effectivly my way of pointing out how fruitless, and childish the taunting replies to this post have been.
I will also point out, that half of the people who have posted here, are known for bothering people, taunting, and seem to have a chip bigger then the one that drives there computer on there shoulder.
Lets not pass up the fact that when one person starts to insult a stranger, the natural and instinctive thing to do is help.Thats how packs of wolves work for the most part.One of them see's a potential target, and the rest follow.
Now, if you'll all excuse me, im going to do something better then deal with you children who belive in having a larger number of people assisting you to bother one person, over something you never cared about before to be important.
Back in my day, People like that where called "Bullies".
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I'm sorry, I wasn't clear... I didn't use the word tool to be subtle, I've always considered it to be a fairly obvious insult. In fact I wanted you to be insulted by it and judging by your response... you were. Go me! In fact here I'll spell it out.|
Originally Posted by Fire_Minded
Wow, I think I see a pattern now my self.
When someone mentions that they dont really care about something, all the sudden, people crop up using the word "Tool" as if they are smart enough to slip it in there, beause they belive it to be a passive insult that the reader may be to dim-witted to catch, or be insulted by. |
You are an idiot.
Better?
Edit: I did notice fewer errors in your most recent post. Also, it's not just your grammar it's the way in which you seem to carry yourself on these forums, like I said before think about it if everyone's telling you the same thing it's not beause they're picking on you (aside from blatant insults) it's because they're trying to help you understand why whatever is being discussed is an issue, whether it's your poor grammar, your taking offense to people trying to tell you how you should play while we tell you your over-reacting and to just ignore them or in a true pot and kettle scenario you openly insulting Tonality FIRST in this thread:
http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=205036
Let me say it again, you're an idiot.
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You're on a forum with human beings, not a pack of wolves. While there are certainly people like those you describe, attributing such behavior to the people here is incredibly insulting to them, and is quite the red herring.|
Originally Posted by Fire_Minded
Lets not pass up the fact that when one person starts to insult a stranger, the natural and instinctive thing to do is help.Thats how packs of wolves work for the most part.One of them see's a potential target, and the rest follow.
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| Now, if you'll all excuse me, im going to do something better then deal with you children who belive in having a larger number of people assisting you to bother one person, over something you never cared about before to be important. |
You're drilling in with far to narrow a focus here. You posted an apology, and as part of people's response, you got some advice on how to better improve future posts that discussed the pitfalls of your posting style. Your response to that is why this has become an argument. You reacted negatively to those suggestions and kicked off an argument about it.
That folks are arguing back does not suggest that they have some intensive desire to beat you up over it, but rather their desire to defend their points in the context you your attacking them.
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UberGuy, after going through this thread, and seeing Fire_Minded's posts revert almost instantly, I think your above comment sums up the the OP quite concisely.
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Originally Posted by UberGuy
You're on a forum with human beings, not a pack of wolves. While there are certainly people like those you describe, attributing such behavior to the people here is incredibly insulting to them, and is quite the red herring.
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You missed the entire point. While one can still read the jumble, it takes some time and frustrates the reader. With communication, it is best to avoid adding unnecessary obstacles. What I, and others are suggesting, is that you consider trying to eliminate these obstacles.| Like Tonality's reply, that has writting in it that is being compaired to my own.Writting in which you definatly cannot understand. |
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| You see, Tonality, as well as a few of you others who have openly assualted my Grammar, for nothing more then to abuse the fact that someone has apologized, and admitted to being weak in one area or another leads me to nelive that the old quote, "No good deed goes unpunished." to be true. |
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| I will also point out, that half of the people who have posted here, are known for bothering people, taunting, and seem to have a chip bigger then the one that drives there computer on there shoulder. |
Wow, I think i need to remember what kind of people are on these forums.
As for me being a idiot?Dont think so.
Whatever works for you guys, I guess.
I no longer care.
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Wow you really see yourself as a victim, as the one who's being picked on by all the big bad forum members?|
Originally Posted by Fire_Minded
Wow, I think i need to remember what kind of people are on these forums.
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Do you seriously not consider the possibility that the problem is YOU?
Please, if you haven't, check the thread I linked in my prior post. You've brought this all upon yourself.
If you really don't get it then I honestly don't think you're stupid, I think you probably truly suffer from a social anxiety disorder of some sort. I've established that I'm not worried about being openly insulting so believe that I'm not saying that to be rude or insulting, I'm quite sincere.
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This thread has been a lot funnier than I expected. You started out apologizing for being a jerk. Then you preceeded to dismiss criticism without learning from it. Then you acted like an even BIGGER jerk than you were before--IN YOUR OWN APOLOGY THREAD. This is like watching someone get drunk at an AA meeting. It's horrible, but somehow funny at the same time--especially since you blamed your initial bad behavior on alcohol...
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The problem is not only him. I see a few other contributors as well.
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Originally Posted by Radubadu
Do you seriously not consider the possibility that the problem is YOU?.
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People like you and Samuel_Tow impress the hell out of me, as I speak only English. |
Originally Posted by DSorrow
There are a few things I believe in grammar: 1) good grammar is less likely to get snarky responses, 2) bad grammar makes even a post with intelligence behind it seem stupid because most people just cling onto the grammar issues instead of the topic at hand, 3) good grammar doesn't require much work at all. At least not for me, and English is my 2nd or 3rd language, depending how you look at it, so I'd guess it should be even easier for a native English speaker.
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I'm puzzled and saddened by the aggressive ignorance displayed by people like fire_minded. I'm mystified that someone can have specific, easily corrected mistakes pointed out to them and fail to correct them. Drunk or sober, he has an attitude problem.
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I guess I should be flattered! :P|
Originally Posted by Sardan
People like you and Samuel_Tow impress the hell out of me, as I speak only English.
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Anyways, most people usually are quite surprised when they hear I learnt the basis of my English in the internet. MMO browser games, mostly. And the level of English there, well, it isn't very good.
I had the habit of bad grammar earlier, but then it struck me that people might think I'm an idiot if I couldn't spell properly so I just decided to try my best and so far it has worked quite well.
And honestly, I really can't fathom how the minimal effort I'm spending to make my posts meet the standard I want them to could be too much for someone who has spoken English since whenever they learnt to speak.
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Fire_Minded, i've been seeing a lot of threads started by new players recently, especially in the Player Questions section of the forums, but in all other areas as well. If you read some of them you'll notice that overall the responses are friendly and helpful when the new player posts a polite, intelligible question. Hell, you'll usually see half a dozen helpful replies all giving the same basic info posted within minutes of each other as various forumites all try to help. Yeah, there are occasional snarky or snarky-seeming posts, but even those posters generally apologize or explain what their intended tone was when others point it out.|
Originally Posted by Radubadu
Wow you really see yourself as a victim, as the one who's being picked on by all the big bad forum members?
Do you seriously not consider the possibility that the problem is YOU? Please, if you haven't, check the thread I linked in my prior post. You've brought this all upon yourself. If you really don't get it then I honestly don't think you're stupid, I think you probably truly suffer from a social anxiety disorder of some sort. I've established that I'm not worried about being openly insulting so believe that I'm not saying that to be rude or insulting, I'm quite sincere. |
Try reading some of those threads and asking yourself what it is the new posters there are doing differently.
i thought i was done with this thread, but i just wanted to point out some examples of people who post as newbies, but with a much less arrogant, dismissive and confrontational attitude, and the difference it makes in the responses they get.
Like here, here, here, here and (last but not least) here. (Also, please note that none of those posts are examples of perfect grammar and spelling, but at least they made an effort.)
Yes, there are the occasional snarks, but by and large if you ask nicely people will answer nicely. i've read the forums for a number of other MMO's, and i'd say that overall the official City of X forums are some of the friendliest and most tolerant forums i've seen. This also applies when comparing them to internet forums in general. No, really.
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That's because you learned proper English. Kudos to you. |
Originally Posted by DSorrow
I guess I should be flattered! :P
Anyways, most people usually are quite surprised when they hear I learnt the basis of my English in the internet. MMO browser games, mostly. And the level of English there, well, it isn't very good. I had the habit of bad grammar earlier, but then it struck me that people might think I'm an idiot if I couldn't spell properly so I just decided to try my best and so far it has worked quite well. And honestly, I really can't fathom how the minimal effort I'm spending to make my posts meet the standard I want them to could be too much for someone who has spoken English since whenever they learnt to speak. |
It seems to take me longer to type something improperly than it does to do so the correct way.
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#1 Even though his posts are a bit wacky, I understood what he meant and not sure why anyone is making a deal over his grammar/spelling.
#2 How many times does he have to say, "I dont care" before people realize that he doesn't care?
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1) Everyone else understood his point, too, but it required some effort to decipher those posts which we wouldn't have done had he spent some effort with his spelling in the first place.|
Originally Posted by CrazyJerseyan
#1 Even though his posts are a bit wacky, I understood what he meant and not sure why anyone is making a deal over his grammar/spelling.
#2 How many times does he have to say, "I dont care" before people realize that he doesn't care? |
2) He might not care that the way he acts here is frustrating to some people, but those some people who are frustrated do care.
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Actually, i think it's more that he posts sloppy, hard to read posts oozing with an arrogant attitude of automatically being right while making statements that are clearly wrong that tends to frustrate some people. Personally i've taken to skipping over any posts he makes in other threads, but not putting him on ignore. Occasionally he posts something intelligible and amusing enough to be worth reading.|
Originally Posted by DSorrow
1) Everyone else understood his point, too, but it required some effort to decipher those posts which we wouldn't have done had he spent some effort with his spelling in the first place.
2) He might not care that the way he acts here is frustrating to some people, but those some people who are frustrated do care. |
So, yeah, that's about all i have left to say in this thread.
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- Did it really require effort and did you really have to "decipher" it? If he posted in ancient Sumerian...ok then I would give that to you.|
Originally Posted by DSorrow
1) Everyone else understood his point, too, but it required some effort to decipher those posts which we wouldn't have done had he spent some effort with his spelling in the first place.
2) He might not care that the way he acts here is frustrating to some people, but those some people who are frustrated do care. |
Cmon lol.
Trying to be helpful and not a jerk, so I linked a language translator for your future use with posts like this:
http://www.babylon.com/affiliates/la...409&OVNDID=ND1
- lulz @ people getting frustrated on interweb forums, especially for spelling/grammar and baddo attitudes. I'm sorry, but makes as much sense as people getting pissed in PvP and yelling for 2 hours in broadcast.
meh...
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I consider it deciphering if I have to pay an unusually high amount of attention to be able to understand it, i.e. if I can't just breeze through it it's deciphering for me. Also, English is not my first language so I find it quite annoying when people think words that are pronounced similarly are interchangeable.|
Originally Posted by CrazyJerseyan
- Did it really require effort and did you really have to "decipher" it? If he posted in ancient Sumerian...ok then I would give that to you.
Cmon lol. |
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Trying to be helpful and not a jerk, so I linked a language translator for your future use with posts like this: http://www.babylon.com/affiliates/la...409&OVNDID=ND1 |
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Ummm,high school was over for me a loooong time ago,and you seem to belive heavly in proper grammar,but,i dont.The fact that you even go on ..and on....and on...about grammar may mean a number of things.
Either you are trying to get a passive emotional response from my self,or others,or your simply bored,and feel you are a superiour being compaired to the rest of us,which is hard to prove by pointing out spelling and punctuation.
I caution you though.....Im a expert at making a *BLEEP* of my self on rare moments that life gets me down,but by no means does it mean your free of that rederict.
Ohhh,almost forgot!The way a person spells,uses comma's,ect....doesnt reflect on there overall intellegence,it just means they have bad writting habits.Habits im fine with.
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