Keeping up with the Joneses
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Adeon Hawkwood,
Posted on: 2010-01-12 13:19 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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Originally Posted by Adeon Hawkwood
That amuses me even more than the IO thing. Sure Stone tanks are awesome, but it rarely makes a difference.
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I always wonder how some people are so poor. I've never had to farm to afford my IO builds and you don't need everything to be Rares and Purples either. Some of the best sets are in the Uncommon pool.
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Originally Posted by NightErrant
My Level 50 Brute has no set bonuses. Just basic IOs. I could put a few sets in, but I don't have the cash, nor am I willing to farm for it.
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It's a bummer. The Lady Grey Task Force, and Imperious Task Force require either a bit more brute force, or more finesse than the usual run. The Statesman's Task Force last mission can be difficult, so I understand her wanting to be in good shape for them.|
Originally Posted by Fury Flechette
A couple of nights ago, I congratulated a relatively new player (6 month vet) on her very first level 50. While she started a number of different alts, her Rad/Rad defender was the one she fell in love with and played almost exclusively for the last couple of months.
Up to that point, she had done most of the hero side TFs but had yet to try the three of the more popular end game TFs: the Statesman TF, the Imperius TF and the Lady Grey TF. She was eager to try them out, since they represented completely new and unexplored content for her. Upon reaching 50, some of the comments she made were rather interesting (paraphrasing): "Yay, level 50 at last. Now all I need start farming so I can afford all those IOs." You see, she was under the impression that you had to have IOs to even attempt the end game TFs, and that her mostly SO build would be inadequate. I tried to tell her otherwise, but she commented that she had seen other Rad defenders and they seem to heal faster, take less damage and have their key debuffs up faster. She remained convinced that a TF team leader would take one look at her character info, see the karma -knockback IO as her only set bonus and kick her off the team. Understand that the player in question also played World of Warcraft for a couple of years and apparently such gear discrimination is a lot more common in that game. I even told her I'd be happy to start up any TF she wanted, invite good and friendly players and would gladly take her Rad defender. She demurred stating that she'd feel terrible if she "dragged down" the team, and that she'd only join once she was convinced that she could pull her own weight. So today, she contacted me and asked me how to farm with her new level 50 and asked me for tips on how to leverage the market to get influence quickly. She told me that she had started an electric/shield scrapper, not because she enjoyed playing scrappers, but because they were good farmers. Somehow, this left me a little sad. |
However, the Lady Grey, and especially the Imperious Task Force are run soooo often that they are routine for a lotta people, so getting onto one of those is usually easy, and not a guaranteed success, but a good bet.
However, try to persuade her that with a good crew, you can have a lot of fun and still have a good shot at success, even at the tough ones.
Minimal gear snobbery here, although it can happen.
Good player + cheap build = good player! Good enough for me! Tries hard, learns, adjusts.
Dumb player + Billion Build = dumb player! Useful as Vengeance bait, or distraction, or comedy. Fine when it's an easy job, but not useful when it's a close call to success.
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1. Team a lot doing random missions (i.e., not "team every time there's a TF in the making", random missions).|
Originally Posted by Lazarus
I always wonder how some people are so poor. I've never had to farm to afford my IO builds and you don't need everything to be Rares and Purples either. Some of the best sets are in the Uncommon pool.
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2. Watch the rate of drops you get plummet.
3. Don't play a lot once you get to 50.
4. ???
5. Lack of Profit!
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I have to wonder about things I see like this. It wasn't that long ago that I was told I couldn't join an ITF with my PB. The person who was running the ITF, who had never teamed with me before, claimed that because my PB was not level 50, (It was like 44-45 at the time but with Super side kicking I'm not sure what the difference is.) Because it was a PB, and not another archetype, and not fully IOed out, that I'd be a hinderance to the team and I wasn't allowed to join.
Yet I have played dozens of ITFs, many of them successful across a variety of characters, including over a dozen with my PB. I know for a fact that I can play the TF without slowing down the team and that while my PB may not be the strongest character on the team, it still gets the job done.
Though if I had only recently joined the game, and didn't know that it's more about the player and less about the build, and didn't know as much about the game, it's mechanics and stats. If I wasn't around before IO enhancements weren't available and hadn't seen what fully SO'd characters were capable of. An experience like that may have me thinking that IOs or Set IOs were completely imperative. So I don't know about the person the OP mentioned, but perhaps she has run into a few of the discriminating types and it's really affected the way she sees the game.
Hopefully in time she will see that this game is much more flexible though and that most people aren't going to discriminate based on things like IOs.
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Now I finally understand that sense of dread I felt when the Devs introduced IO's.
Originally Posted by Fury Flechette
...So today, she contacted me and asked me how to farm with her new level 50 and asked me for tips on how to leverage the market to get influence quickly. She told me that she had started an electric/shield scrapper, not because she enjoyed playing scrappers, but because they were good farmers. Somehow, this left me a little sad.
I believe that a Kheldian Gold Standard should be based on SO's, and for anything above that... there's Platinum!
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Your team leader is a ******* retard, end of story.|
Originally Posted by The_Killbot_5000
I was playing on my much loved (and a bit scuffed) namesake toon, The Killbot 5000, about a month ago. I joined a PUG, and the team leader starts mentioning that we need a Brute, several times. In case they missed it I point out that I'm a Brute, they reply that, "No disrespect, but I mean one that's been IO'd."
Well that just took the biscuit, I decided that maybe my Level 50 Brute did need some IO's, hadn't needed to until then, but maybe this was a reason to dabble in them. So over the last few weeks I've done a little IO set building/buying and below is the result:  The Killbot 5000 with shiny new IO Set Bonuses. Then the question has to be asked after all this, do I notice a difference now that I'm playing with power? Short answer: Nope. So, you can have toons at level 50, they can have no IO's or set bonuses and you'll still have fun and be able to handle most challenges the game throws at you. The only appreciable difference with what I have is having Devastation: Chance to Hold in Mu Mastery, that kinda adds something tangible. A visible power, with a noticeable effect, now that's something I can buy into, a 0.1234234% increase to X just doesn't do it for me otherwise. |
In PvE its Skill > Build for a long time, it only becomes Build > Skill when you're doing retardedly hard stuff like soloing an AV.
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I still don't get how you can be that poor |
Originally Posted by Aliana Blue
1. Team a lot doing random missions (i.e., not "team every time there's a TF in the making", random missions).
2. Watch the rate of drops you get plummet. 3. Don't play a lot once you get to 50. 4. ??? 5. Lack of Profit! |
My poorest level 50 is my rad/rad defender (also my only hero 50 since I'm a villain player). I leveled him in PuGs in a 4 weeks period in order to get a 50 to participate in a STF and so I could get Kheldians. Since he hit 50 I have taken him out on only 2 other occasions, the STF and this years winter event.
He has over 150 mil left on his 'account' after slotting him with lvl50 SO's. Just from playing random missions and selling his drops.
150 isn't a fortune but enough to pluck in some decent sets in attacks and other key powers.
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It's not really about good behaviour, though. It's common sense. A team that NEEDS an "IO-d out" Brute, much like a team that NEEDS a "healer," is one of two things: wilfully incompetent or interested in taking on things they have no business attempting. Far as I'm concerned, either is reason enough to quit and find a better team.
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Originally Posted by The_Killbot_5000
Awesome response! But I'm on my bestest behaviour and bit my tongue. What you said is what I felt like saying, but didn't. Over the last few days since posting I've been looking at other people's list of IO set bonuses in-game and realise that if some of their lists are as long as my arm, then mine's only a short-sleeved Tee length. This is also probably why I'm not noticing any great difference between before and after.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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Well, either you were lucky or I was unlucky. I have two characters that have gotten up there in a leisurely, high-bodycount-team way and both ended with something in the range of 20-30M. 20-30M puts a limit of some 300k tops per slot (you have over 90 slots to fill at level 50), which kind of puts a damper on how much you can really IO your toon.|
Originally Posted by TrueMetal
I still don't get how you can be that poor
My poorest level 50 is my rad/rad defender (also my only hero 50 since I'm a villain player). I leveled him in PuGs in a 4 weeks period in order to get a 50 to participate in a STF and so I could get Kheldians. Since he hit 50 I have taken him out on only 2 other occasions, the STF and this years winter event. He has over 150 mil left on his 'account' after slotting him with lvl50 SO's. Just from playing random missions and selling his drops. 150 isn't a fortune but enough to pluck in some decent sets in attacks and other key powers. |
I mean sure, you can get very serviceable builds with low level sets (low level because crafting costs alone at level 50 go over the 300k limit), which is what I did, mix-and-match lowbie stuff (while keeping an eye for the stealthy yellow recipes that need rare salvage to craft, damn you Cleaving Blow!) and frankenslot with the off SO or common IO and whatnot for a very functional build, but it's not really an amount of wealth that lets you go all out even with the most common high level sets.
Of course, if I really wanted to IO them out with the good stuff, I'd just get them the influence with my Elec/Shield scrapper. Set the missions to +3/x8, go run one or two RWZ arcs via Ouroboros, and walk out with a sack of stuff.
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And even then, some of the tougher AVs require skill and build.
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Originally Posted by Santorican
In PvE its Skill > Build for a long time, it only becomes Build > Skill when you're doing retardedly hard stuff like soloing an AV.
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Originally Posted by GlassEye_NA
No.
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On the other hand she may just want to get the best enhancements to build the most powerful toon possible and there's no harm there but she definitely needs to understand it's not necessary here.
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