Is Win7 honestly worth upgrading to?
I recently upgraded to 7 after running XP for the past 3-4 years. I wasn't going to run Vista either. 7 seems very stable and not nearly as bloated as I was afraid of. I am probably going to buy the 64 bit version of 7. (running an evaluation copy at the moment)
I say go for it. Coh runs fine and I havent encountered a single problem as of yet.
Quick answer: Yes.
Long asnwer: Yes. But it's not something you need to rush out and do right this second. It does take care of many things people complained about with Vista (UAC is nowhere near as intrusive, it's got pretty good performance, etc.) and even some of the stuff that might sound like "so what?" features (Aero Snap/Shake, for instance) I've found myself really missing when I go to an XP machine. It's the only time I've run an OS in beta and said "I'd buy this *right now.*"
Yeah, I'm also one of those ran XP for years and then switched to windows 7, haven't found any problems and theres a lot of features I like. Also seemed to go faster because XP wasn't using all of my ram.
I'm completely "meh" on the upgrade to Windows 7. I have run into more problems than it's worth, and COH-related, several utilities don't work as well as they do on XP (the herostats overlay doesn't seem to work, and a certain file format viewing utility doesn't work at all). My next system reinstall is going to be to go back to XP, but I'm indifferent enough about 7 that I'm not rushing to reinstall XP right now.
There's nothing about Windows 7 worth rushing for. If you're happy with XP, you have no reason to migrate to 7.
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My only issue with CoH on Windows 7 has been with alt+tabbing out to other windows. In XP, it brought up a little window with icons letting me know what I was selecting, but Win 7 has me jumping blind.
I'm actually really liking Win 7 though. The only other issue I seem to have is that every once in a while (but still several times a day), a mouse click gets read as a two rapid clicks (yet not a double-click, for some reason). This usually occurs when browsing on the internet, and will occassionally send me back TWO pages instead of one when I hit the back button.
I'm not a huge fan of the new graphical effects on the windows (Aero), so I set it to a classic theme and changed it around a bit. Now it looks more or less like Windows 98!
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Literally the only problem i've ran into so far is the windows 7 64 bit nvidia CoH crash, which I recently fixed by just switching to an older driver (until/if the crashes get fixed.)
Oh, and of course theres alot more permission crap you may need to deal with, just run everything as administrator and it'll shut up.
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I went from Vista Business x86 SP2 to Windows 7 Professional x86. IMHO, Win 7 is what Vista was supposed to be.
- Stable.
- More compatible (tried a lot of legacy hardware and Win 7 never failed)
- Faster than Vista (on par with XP).
Next time I reformat my drive, I will switch to the 64-bit version (same DVD, same license)
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I'll have to disagree with all of the above, and say "no".
Win7 is a significant improvement over Vista, but assuming you're reasonably competent with computer security, it doesn't offer any "must-have" benefits over XP yet. Sooner or later, somebody will start providing software you need that doesn't work with XP, but until then, I'd wait.
As a side note, you say you're dual-booting Ubuntu? Be sure you back everything up before you upgrade: the Windows installer doesn't play nicely with other operating systems.
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I'll have to disagree with all of the above, and say "no".
Win7 is a significant improvement over Vista, but assuming you're reasonably competent with computer security, it doesn't offer any "must-have" benefits over XP yet. Sooner or later, somebody will start providing software you need that doesn't work with XP, but until then, I'd wait. |
A similar problem I'm running into is that sometimes I alt-tab out of COH and any program I try to activate also apperas "behind" the game window and I can't get to it. I have to close the game and restart it to open it. This doesn't happen all the time, but when it does, darn it's annoying.
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Is that just in Full-screen or does it affect windowed mode as well? :\
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I usually only play in full screen, so I did not try to reproduce in Windowed mode. I'll set it to Windowed mode now and next time it crashes, I'll post.
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A similar problem I'm running into is that sometimes I alt-tab out of COH and any program I try to activate also apperas "behind" the game window and I can't get to it. I have to close the game and restart it to open it. This doesn't happen all the time, but when it does, darn it's annoying.
Regardless, I would say Windows 7 is really worth the money. It's simply the best operating system I've used, and I've used a lot of them.
It has the user-friendliness and ease-of-access of Macs, without limiting functionality. It has acceptable security (unless you're a high-profile CIA spy, I doubt you'd need to worry about much). I've personally had Windows 7 for several months now, without any sort of bloated anti-virus/anti-spyware/firewall program, and I've never had any issues. It is much more stable than ANY other Windows version in my experience, and what's best, is that it is backwards-compatible with almost any software.
Furthermore, if you REALLY can't separate yourself from the almost-decade-old XP, you can download "XP Mode" or something to run it on Windows 7 for when you just need XP. But I haven't had any experience with all that myself.
Even if it wasn't, I really cannot understand how someone can refuse upgrading their entire system to a more user-friendly, efficient, and streamlined environment just cause they can't send crash reports on a single video game. |
Seven tends to be too quick to believe a program is not responding just because its message queue freezes. While it's not great programming to let your message queue stay unprocessed for a long time, it's not uncommon; lots of programs stop processing messages while in loading loops, and Seven would constantly bug me to close them. I prefer to decide myself if a program is taking too long or not, and terminate it if and when I feel like it; I don't want the OS getting in my way.
User friendly: I'm an advanced user. I can make Windows XP as friendly or more friendly than seven (as in features included). Pretty transparent windows do not equal user friendliness. Searching everywhere can be done with several third party apps. The only thing I liked from Windows 7 was the better Bluetooth stack, but a third-party program takes care of that
Efficient: you have a weird definition for efficient. I found seven to be slower (not much, but noticeably so) and to use more system resources for several tasks; video encoding in particular, but also I found the system to be much less responsive under load than XP (in XP, if the system is at 100% CPU usage, I can still click "My Computer" and it loads; in Seven, I clicked it several times because it was doing nothing, and then after like 30 seconds, a bunch of instances of Explorer opened. Another of those "little things" that got very, very annoying.)
Streamlined environment: define what you mean by this, because it sounds like you're throwing buzzwords rather than praising specific features.
I like to be in control of my computer. I clean and optimize Windows XP for my personal needs and it runs much faster than Seven. I am quite comfortable with my security, so I don't need the OS babysitting me.
Furthermore, if you REALLY can't separate yourself from the almost-decade-old XP, you can download "XP Mode" or something to run it on Windows 7 for when you just need XP. |
In the end, the OS is there to run software and get out of your way. That's how I see it, anyway. Seven kept getting in the way, with a bunch of minor glitches that caused major annoyances over time. Until I can be guaranteed that ALL my software will run JUST AS WELL as it does on XP, I'm staying on XP.
And it's not for lack of trying. I gave Vista a try. I beta tested Seven. I installed Seven after it released. I wasted a lot of time trying to like it. It still won't work for me.
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Leandro's Issues I have not encountered and I run Win7 64 Bit with an Nvidia GTS250 1GB OC in full screen mode.
I tab between programs very easily (course I tend to use my window key so it brings up the taskbar) and as long as I run CoH as Admin have no real problems with it.
The onyl real "must have" feature is going 64 bit IMHO. Just so you can use all the memory you have.
So you know my machine is:
Athalon X64 Dual Core 4200+
4GB Memory
BFG GTS250 OC 1GB
I also have it running on a laptop and again, none of the issues listed here.
XP will get most security updates from here on out, unless it is something that requires too much work (as seen recently for some older OS's still in extended support).
As far as running everything as Admin, I only run what needs to be as Admin. If I don't ahve to, I won't just for security sake (Imagine running everything on Ubuntu as Root, and you will understand why).
The XP Mode feature is nice if you have the right type of processor to be able to use it, but it does not support 3d graphics and is intended for productivity software for business.
As far as OSes go, Win7 is nice. 64 bit does not work with unsigned drivers so you will be stuck a bit there (gotta wait for MS Approval) but doing that does tend to make the system a bit more stable.
That is my thoughts on it overall.
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Have it, love it, but if you don't need to upgrade, don't. GR won't require anything that XP can't provide; neither will most other games. I wouldn't upgrade until you want to or you get/make a new computer, really.
Worth it? Its really up to you, for me it was. As a college student i was able to get windows 7 pro for $30. At school is the only place where I find myself using windows XP and while the extra features windows 7 adds don't seem that great i find myself missing them when not available. I will say after running windows vista ultimate 64, windows 7 runs much faster. I haven't had any CoH related issue with win 7 like i did with vista. Really the only thing you have to lose (in my opinion) is the money it costs to upgrade. But if you really aren't interested in some of the new features stick with XP for a little while till the price goes down.
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Doesn't work on all CPUs; it requires hardware virtualization. Only high end CPUs currently support that.
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You have an odd definition of high end, btw.
AMD:
With the exceptions of Sempron-branded processors and Turion K8 Rev E processors, all notebook processors shipped by AMD include AMD-V and therefore support Windows 7 XP mode." |
(My current system, with a sub-$100 processor - Athlon x2 5600, 2.9 Ghz, supports it. That's not high end.)
Intel:
Intel's a mess of "yes" and "no," but you can see what does here.
The list runs down to Core 2 Duos, Pentium Ds and various Mobile processors. Also not "high end."
Also, linked from the same page -
How to run Windows XP Mode in Windows 7 using VirtualBox when hardware virtualization is not available. Migrating your operating system to Windows 7 is attractive to many XP users for no other reason than XP has bugs, limitations and after all...is nine years old. Windows 7 really is very stable and pretty smooth even on four-year-old hardware. I'm running Windows 7 on a Dell Optiplex GX280 with a 3.4GHz Pentium P4 and 3GB of RAM and it has pretty good performance. But XP doesn't actually upgrade to 7. Instead, you must overwrite or install a fresh copy of 7, perhaps on a new hard drive. And after installing it, you will discover some applications you used with XP are incompatible with 7. My older applications like Act! 2008, QuickBooks 2002 and others will not run on Windows Vista or 7. So Microsoft's Windows 7 Professional and Ultimate include a license which allows users to run a virtualized copy of Windows XP, SP3 "on top of" Windows 7 at no additional cost. This way, you can run your older applications in a real XP environment. Find instructions and download it here. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/v [...] nload.aspx Microsoft provides two tools - Windows Virtual PC and Windows XP Mode. XP Mode is actually a .vhd file with a copy of XP preinstalled, ready to license and run. A KEY.txt file containing an installation key is included in your C:\Program Files\Windows XP Mode folder. However there's one very big "gotcha" here which can quickly sour your enthusiasm. Windows 7's version of Virtual PC will only run on systems with hardware virtualization capability, found only in the newest processors with Intel VT-x or AMD-V designs. Most older PCs do not have this, and believe it or not many new PCs don't either! Some systems have the feature, but you must enable it in your system's BIOS before it will work. This means, even though your system may be new, and has Windows 7 Professional or Ultimate installed, you might not be able to run Windows Virtual PC or Windows XP Mode. Bummer. But don't let that slow you down because there is a solution. It turns out Windows XP Mode's license is carefully worded to allow its use on alternative virtualization products such as VMware, Parallels, Xen and Sun's VirtualBox. And interestingly, these products can open the .vhd file either natively, or by converting it. While these products can use the hardware virtualization feature, they don't require it. Excellent news! So my old Dell would not run Virtual PC, but does run VirtualBox very well. VirtualBox opens .vhd files as easily as it does it's own .vhi files. The only problem I had the first time I tried it was an error message saying VirtualBox could not open the file for read/write. Then I copied and changed the new file's security to "Full" for "Everyone" and bang - it took off immediately. The XP Mode virtual machine presented itself as an expand-on-demand 127GB hard disk image, taking up less than 1.4GB when configured. Virtual machines require some special drivers and extensions to talk to your desktop through the virtual environment. Since Microsoft created the .vhd, only their own drivers were preinstalled, requiring me to install VirtualBox's extensions to fully support the display, keyboard and mouse. But that is required anyway when creating a Virtual Machine in all these products. Sun's VirtualBox, free for personal use, is available at http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads Enjoy! |
As for the rest, I can't help but wonder how old that machine and those devices are. And wonder just how soon they'll have to come up for replacement.
Memphis, I couldn't get it to work either on a E5300 (dual core) nor a Q8200 (quad core, which is very high end here). When a quad core processor still won't run it, I call it high end... though you're right, I hadn't seen that table. Intel did make a mess of things. I haven't used AMD since the Core2Duos were released.
Also, take into consideration my geographical location. We're hammered with huge import taxes and a weak currency here. Most systems don't have anything past a Celeron 530. A computer with the E5300? $1600, equivalent to two months average salary. An AMD X2 240 is only slightly cheaper, at $1550. My system is considered "high end" here, as things like the Radeon HD 5770 are luxuries; it costed me $1060. I can count the number of Core 2 Quad systems I've sold or maintained with one hand. They are "extreme high end", here.
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If you are talking about the Virtual XP Mode found in the Pro and higher versions of Win 7 be aware that there are multiple hardware requirements in the CPU and Motherboard (BIOS).
For Intel processors, the majority of inexpensive Intel Core 2 based CPUs don't have the necessary hardware support. This includes the E2xxx, E4xxx, E5xxx and E7xxx dual core and the Q8x00 and most Q9x00 quad cores.
Doesn't matter anyways because the Virtual XP mode doesn't have 3D video support so no 3D gaming.
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For Intel processors, the majority of inexpensive Intel Core 2 based CPUs don't have the necessary hardware support. This includes the E2xxx, E4xxx, E5xxx and E7xxx dual core and the Q8x00 and most Q9x00 quad cores.
Doesn't matter anyways because the Virtual XP mode doesn't have 3D video support so no 3D gaming.
If you're using a software that only, and only works on XP, then that's really poor design for that piece of software, not the newer OS.
At the moment, my comp's running on XP. Has been since I built it two years ago, because I outright refused to install Vista from day one.
Since Win7 came out, people seem to have been singing its praises quite a lot compared to Vista, but I'm sat here, still not convinced about shelling out £170 for a new OS that may or may not be worth the plastic it's burned on. I'm a cautious git, so sue me.
Actually... don't. I rescind the invitation to sue or otherwise run me into the ground through violent or non-violent means, etc etc etc.
So, anyway, if it's any help (which I doubt majorly) my system is as follows:
Motherboard: Biostar TPower I45
CPU: Intel Core2 Quad Q6600 @ 2.40GHz (pending possible OC sooner or later)
GPU: BFG GeForce 8800GTX OC (768MB) (pending possible upgrade)
RAM: 4GB OCZ brand DDR2 (Yes, I know XP won't see it all, but Ubuntu 64-bit can, so I whapped that last stick in)
Hard Drives: 2x Samsung HD501J, 500GB each. Mind you, one's holding Ubuntu while the other holds XP. I wasn't comfortable partitioning at the time.
Oh, and before anyone starts, please don't suggest I start going i7 or anything like that. I can't afford to rebuild right now.
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