Wincott & Flux -- Real levels?
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BackFire,
Posted on: 2009-12-24 01:30 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
I can't comment on top levels, but Wincott still starts at 5 (when I go to the Hollows at 4, I have to street hunt a bit before he talks to me). Flux hasn't turned me away in ages, so I don't know his level range. I recently finished Flux a level 10 though - Julius wouldn't talk to me at all, not even for his non-arc street hunt, until I hit level 12.
@Roderick
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Not entirely bizarre. Julius leads to Talshak, who unlocks the CoT Trial, which is minimum lv12.
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Originally Posted by Roderick
Julius wouldn't talk to me at all, not even for his non-arc street hunt, until I hit level 12.
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Yeah, but before the Hollows revamp, I'd finish Flux, and regardless of my level, he'd send me to Julius, who would send me off to kill trolls. Then he'd tell me to bugger off if I was below 12.|
Originally Posted by Fleeting Whisper
Not entirely bizarre. Julius leads to Talshak, who unlocks the CoT Trial, which is minimum lv12.
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Also, I think that before the revamp, Wincott was 5-9 and Flux was 7-12 or something bizarre like that. I like that the contacts seem to be paired up in like level ranges like Jim/Penny and Doc Delilah/Agent G, or the Striga and Croatoa contacts. Makes more sense that way.
@Roderick
I swear Julius unlocks at 14/15 these days.
But yeah, the strange thing is, especially on some of Flux's missions, some ofthe named Troll/Outcast bosses spawn, well, not only as LTs but at level 10? Greased Lightning and Rundum were two, I think.
Either way, it's hardly a bad thing. The Hollows Trio are a nice solid run of missions to go through. Maybe make the named enemies bosses rather than LTs though.
Oh, and Frosty is still the most Hax EB. Hold, lots of AoEs and Fire imps AND Jack Frost? He must have eaten his spinach 
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*flashback of fighting trolls in the red riverbed when you first get the contact*
The horror . . . . the horror . . .. . . .
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I'm not so sure about that. I was level 14 on my Katana/Regen alt when Issue 2 hit and was able to do Wincott. I remember clearly because at least one of his missions was bugged, a largish spawn of Outcasts would all run off and fall into the geometry of the map somehow, making that mission, a defeat all, require a GM to complete.
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Originally Posted by Zombie Man
It used to be that Wincott and Flux of the Hollows were most definitely level 5-9 contacts. If you hit them at level 10 or higher, they wouldn't give you their arcs and pass you on to the next contact in the Hollows' progression (Wincott > Flux > Julius > Talshak).
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If Julius is still 10-14 (and I do recall very well how I tried to finally ONCE play his arc and stopped gaining XP at 15, recalling that still works for the level range with other contacts, and he gave me the hunting mission and then went outleveled, so it was really 14 and not 15) I'd have to doubt if you even can play your beloved trio these days without turning xp off, so maybe it was raised so you can play it without slowing yourself down like that?
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Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
I swear Julius unlocks at 14/15 these days.
But yeah, the strange thing is, especially on some of Flux's missions, some ofthe named Troll/Outcast bosses spawn, well, not only as LTs but at level 10? Greased Lightning and Rundum were two, I think. Either way, it's hardly a bad thing. The Hollows Trio are a nice solid run of missions to go through. Maybe make the named enemies bosses rather than LTs though. Oh, and Frosty is still the most Hax EB. Hold, lots of AoEs and Fire imps AND Jack Frost? He must have eaten his spinach |
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With the revamp, there's more trolls IN, not around, the area that counts, they're a more reasonable level for even level 10s, and the area that counts is noticable wider (ie, you don't have to fight them in waist deep water).|
Originally Posted by EU_Damz
*flashback of fighting trolls in the red riverbed when you first get the contact*
The horror . . . . the horror . . .. . . . |
I remember the days of pulling a +2 troll into the river, and killing him in water that was only KNEE-DEEP.... Oops, sorry, that didn't count. >_<
@Roderick
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LMFAO!! before the revamp,I avoided the Hollows like it was a Plague! Those Trolls were a nightmare...especially if a mish was close and you had to run through there. |
Originally Posted by EU_Damz
*flashback of fighting trolls in the red riverbed when you first get the contact*
The horror . . . . the horror . . .. . . . |
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I seem to remember Wincott and Flux would give me a pass if I was above level 10.
With how fast XP is nowadays, and how easy the Hollows has been made (you used to eat some debt getting around to horribly placed doors or doing the street patrols to slow you down some...) I imagine you can't do all the contacts by the time you outlevel The Hollows. It was hard enough to do all the contacts to unlock the zone trial when it was slower leveling speed.
The rock dudes are still some of the most brutal enemies I can think of. They're made of ROCK and they move that fast, and hit like a truck? They were even worse than Vahzilok! The original Slag Golems! At least you can -1 level them nowadays.
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Nope. I just did it all on one of my Tankers.
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Originally Posted by Iannis
With how fast XP is nowadays, and how easy the Hollows has been made (you used to eat some debt getting around to horribly placed doors or doing the street patrols to slow you down some...) I imagine you can't do all the contacts by the time you outlevel The Hollows. It was hard enough to do all the contacts to unlock the zone trial when it was slower leveling speed.
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Originally Posted by BackFire
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Together (and with Perez) they really make great variety. Maybe that's why I love that level range so much.
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Originally Posted by BackFire
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Noooooooo! Kings row is bad
Should never have a raptor pack that early! I want the gulch run back!
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Recently with my new hero Power Bug I did some AE archs till level 10 to get inf to buy rocketboots and insect wings and after that I started with contacts. Montague gave me Carla in Skyway and the first thing she did(I was level 11 at that point) was sending me to The Hollows to talk to Wincott...
*sigh*
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Oh go cry. I had that happen to me first mission of my first new contact the last two times I just hit FIVE. |
Originally Posted by Lyrik
Recently with my new hero Power Bug I did some AE archs till level 10 to get inf to buy rocketboots and insect wings and after that I started with contacts. Montague gave me Carla in Skyway and the first thing she did(I was level 11 at that point) was sending me to The Hollows to talk to Wincott...
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Its not fun all that early either, I assure you.
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This is why gawd invented the drop mission feature. I NEVER have to see Wincott. Ever. And there was much rejoicing |
Originally Posted by Lyrik
Recently with my new hero Power Bug I did some AE archs till level 10 to get inf to buy rocketboots and insect wings and after that I started with contacts. Montague gave me Carla in Skyway and the first thing she did(I was level 11 at that point) was sending me to The Hollows to talk to Wincott...
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(And since I'm usually in KR already, the Diff Slider contact mission is quick & easy! Oh, how I love my Kings Row.)
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I thought about this while getting some candy canes to unlock a few things on some characters, so I looked at a character that I made right after Issue 11 and Ouroboros. She had full contact bars for everyone in the Hollows, which you don't get to keep when you do them through Ouroboros. I then checked her Souvenirs, and found the ones for Wincott and Flux after the ones for Bonefire, the Clockwork Captive and the Vahzilok Plague, meaning she did them sometime after hitting level 10 naturally. That means that, at least by Issue 11, they no longer had a level 9 or 10 cap. Unfortunately, the individual arcs didn't give Souvenirs before Issue 11 that I'm aware of, so I can't be as certain about earlier characters.
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Originally Posted by Ms. Mesmer
I'm not so sure about that. I was level 14 on my Katana/Regen alt when Issue 2 hit and was able to do Wincott. I remember clearly because at least one of his missions was bugged, a largish spawn of Outcasts would all run off and fall into the geometry of the map somehow, making that mission, a defeat all, require a GM to complete.
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"I wish my life was a non-stop Hollywood movie show,
A fantasy world of celluloid villains and heroes."
It used to be that Wincott and Flux of the Hollows were most definitely level 5-9 contacts. If you hit them at level 10 or higher, they wouldn't give you their arcs and pass you on to the next contact in the Hollows' progression (Wincott > Flux > Julius > Talshak).
However, on one toon that was level 12, I went to Wincott so that I'd get referred to Flux then Julius. However, rather than being passed on, Wincott gave me his arc. And the foes in the missions were level 12 (i.e., they scaled properly). I hit Flux at 13 and he gave me his arc.
So.... It seems that Wincott and Flux are now level 5-14 contacts. Though, before I update the Wiki, I'd like some confirmation to these questions:
Will they give you their arcs if you first contact them at level 14? At level 15?
It used to be that if you started Julius at level 10 or 11, he would stop giving you mission half way through the arc until you hit 12. Does he still do that?
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