Get Rid of Heal Decay and movement suppression. Then zone would be awesome. Till then....not so much.
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Originally Posted by Necromatic
To all the lucky gankers who got me, good job.
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Don't ever say that in regards to PvP again. Teaming is not cheating. You getting killed =/= ganking.
To all the lucky gankers who got me, good job.
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Originally Posted by _Lith_
Yeah this?
Don't ever say that in regards to PvP again. Teaming is not cheating. You getting killed =/= ganking. |
BTW, you bring up a point I've always wanted to elaborate on. A common TEAM tactic is $Target and attack. Am I wrong? Zones mind you.
Where is the strategy in that? Especially after I13. Concept wise, I dare someone to crack open a comic book where there are two large factions and show me this tactic in action.
Not a one. Usually, they match-up.
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That's always been the essence of CoH PvP. Not just in zones, but even more so in competitive PvP. Teaming up is in many cases literally the only way of getting kills...especially if the target is buffed.
Comparing a MMO to comic books is pointless. They have nothing in common at all.
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omg...really??? This isn't a comic book, it is an MMO and in PvP in this MMO, if you are on a team that wants to get kills you co-ordinate your damage. Its the fastest way to overcome any buffs or hopefully any heals you may recieve from your team(if you are on one) or before you phase or hibernate. If you want a toe-to-toe, TRU WARRIOR fight plz ask someone to 1v1 you and then do it in the arena and don't complain about the way you get killed in a zone. |
Originally Posted by Necromatic
Don't take my post seriously.
BTW, you bring up a point I've always wanted to elaborate on. A common TEAM tactic is $Target and attack. Am I wrong? Zones mind you. Where is the strategy in that? Especially after I13. Concept wise, I dare someone to crack open a comic book where there are two large factions and show me this tactic in action. Not a one. Usually, they match-up. |
That is all, nothing else to see here, move along...
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Put two balanced and roughly comparable 8-man teams into the arena. Put one team on Vent, and let the other rely on team chat for communication. All else being equal, the team on Vent will win every time because they can communicate in real time and everyone can be speaking up without having to stop to type or fumble for keybinds. Even in zones, while heal decay and travel suppression have loosened the necessity, spiking a target is still the best way to guarantee a kill - all you're trying to do is get lots of damage in at once so neither the target nor their support can react in time.
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Originally Posted by Necromatic
Where is the strategy in that?
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Originally Posted by Necromatic
Don't take my post seriously.
BTW, you bring up a point I've always wanted to elaborate on. A common TEAM tactic is $Target and attack. Am I wrong? Zones mind you. Where is the strategy in that? Especially after I13. Concept wise, I dare someone to crack open a comic book where there are two large factions and show me this tactic in action. Not a one. Usually, they match-up. |
I for one welcome our new n00000bish freedom RV overlords from other servers.
argh i lag too much there now 
In addition to the influx of farm targets and bad stalkers I've noticed a increase in the amount of support toons. Some of them were pretty good too. Tis gud.
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con asked this before but, when you transfer to freedom, do you get a little dialog box asking you if you want to get fly?
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Originally Posted by SmegHead
In addition to the influx of farm targets and bad stalkers I've noticed a increase in the amount of support toons. Some of them were pretty good too. Tis gud.
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Has anyone else noticed the blasters that transfered that only have sj? Almost makes me want to respec my farm brute into webz.
was alot of new people in rv last night, actually had alot fun ..
Unfortunatly got a few new guys who spent the night broadcasting lol
Think we got some confusion PVP = Player Verbals Player
Its funny at 1st then gets old after n hour of the same 3 people on broadcast
Anyways good to see the population grow
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Put two balanced and roughly comparable 8-man teams into the arena. Put one team on Vent, and let the other rely on team chat for communication. All else being equal, the team on Vent will win every time because they can communicate in real time and everyone can be speaking up without having to stop to type or fumble for keybinds.
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Not everyone uses vent.
Some players use all 9 trays.
Some players don't have to type in combat, because they already KNOW what each other is going to do.
Combat at that level isn't about coordination...it's about creating a symphony of power.
It's not about what one has to do in combat, its about what one wants to do.
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Originally Posted by Galactor
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Not everyone uses vent. Some players use all 9 trays. Some players don't have to type in combat, because they already KNOW what each other is going to do. Combat at that level isn't about coordination...it's about creating a symphony of power. It's not about what one has to do in combat, its about what one wants to do. |
Anyways, i transfered my mind/elec dom but lack of self heal has me playing my level 40 lolenergy/pain instead of my IO'd accoladed lvl 50 dom...
Besides the lag it was a great time i had alot of fun healing/blasting and spamming power push, especially on the fire scraps.
So how 'bout this Galactor, you get an 8 man team that "already KNOWS what each other is going to do" and then let those of us that have PvP'd rather regularly get a team of 8 on vent and lets just see which team wins, I would say the team on vent doubles, or more, the kills on the team not on vent. You can not possibly spike a target when your team doesn't:
a) all know who the target is.
b) be able to all spike the above said target at the same time so as not to give away who the target is, so that the healer can not know who your target is and heal him through your spike.
c) be able to tell your team that you are evading, you are the target, you are hibering, etc.
So again I will say you get your team of 8 that needs no co-ordination but can just jedi-sense what each other is doing and/or needs without using vent and go up against a team of 8 PvPr's on vent. YOU WILL GET WRECKED.
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Psy, since u HAVE been away for a bit, I would like to do the pleasure of introducing you to Galactor; #1 best player ever. No Exceptions. He solo'd an AV on his rad. He is bet game, so unbettable he solo u wit Heal Other > : O
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Originally Posted by Psyrene
So how 'bout this Galactor, you get an 8 man team that "already KNOWS what each other is going to do" and then let those of us that have PvP'd rather regularly get a team of 8 on vent and lets just see which team wins, I would say the team on vent doubles, or more, the kills on the team not on vent. You can not possibly spike a target when your team doesn't:
a) all know who the target is. b) be able to all spike the above said target at the same time so as not to give away who the target is, so that the healer can not know who your target is and heal him through your spike. c) be able to tell your team that you are evading, you are the target, you are hibering, etc. So again I will say you get your team of 8 that needs no co-ordination but can just jedi-sense what each other is doing and/or needs without using vent and go up against a team of 8 PvPr's on vent. YOU WILL GET WRECKED. |
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As much as you seem to want to think it, these are not the CO boards, and this is not PvE. So I'll run over your points from an intelligent PvP perspective instead of the whiny little "I'm really bad but I like to think I'm good because I can occasionally get a kill on something" perspective you seem to have.|
Originally Posted by Galactor
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Not everyone uses vent. Some players use all 9 trays. Some players don't have to type in combat, because they already KNOW what each other is going to do. Combat at that level isn't about coordination...it's about creating a symphony of power. It's not about what one has to do in combat, its about what one wants to do. |
1. "Not everyone uses Vent." This is true. As I said you will see a severe disconnect between teams with Vent and teams without Vent. Even if not every member is actually talking, just having them there to listen helps a ton.
2. "Some players use all 9 trays." Good for them, this has nothing to do with what I was talking about. If you're not on Vent and you need to Hibernate, you just do it, and hope that your healers notice when you go in as well as when you come out so they don't waste buffs on you. If you're on Vent you just say "Hibernating" or "Coming out of Hibernate" and everyone is on the same page instantly, without you having to stop to type. Likewise, if a target phases and no one on the team has a "Target is phased" bind, there's going to be some confusion as the team searches for a new target.
3. "Some players don't have to type in combat, because they already know what each other is going to do." Show me an organized PvP team that does that and I'll show you a team that 1) has been practicing with one another for a long time, AKA most pre-I13 ladder teams, and 2) has Vent or TS. Any other situation and you're more or less deluded.
4. "Combat at that level isn't about coordination, it's about creating a symphony of power." While you used pretty language (+1 cookie for you!) you basically said "Combat isn't about coordination, it's about coordination." The "creating a symphony of power" you talk about comes only from being coordinated. There's no way you can make a successful damage spike against a target with a few healers backing them up unless you're coordinated and time the damage spike and debuffs.
5. "It's not about what one has to do in combat, it's about what one wants to do." With that thought process, it's no wonder you're downright terrible on every character I've ever seen you on. People play support or damage or disruption because it's what they're good at. Being good at something makes them more likely to want to do that in a match, yes, but there are defined roles in organized team PvP. If there weren't, it would basically turn from an 8v8 into eight 1v1s.
Seriously, go get farmed a bit more in RV, justify your dying by claiming everyone is bad, and then come back and post more wrong stuff.
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Wow. This is one of the most amazing things I've ever read on these forums.
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Some players don't have to type in combat, because they already KNOW what each other is going to do.
Combat at that level isn't about coordination...it's about creating a symphony of power. |
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Wow. This is one of the most amazing things I've ever read on these forums.
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Btw Hai max.
hai friend!
Its kinda weird, when I type /em galactor my toon instantly dies and I say you suck in local.
Duel me.
I will work on my sig pic more when I have time.
I wonder if under Symphonie he means Divine spamming targetkey on first 2 min and then never doing anything the rest of the match 
Thanks all to those who have transferred to Freedom. Last night was the most populated I've seen RV ever. How many were there? More than 50? You have made the experience most enjoyable.
To all the noobs I pwned, don't worry, you'll get better.
To all the lucky gankers who got me, good job.
To all the fools I kill-stealed, har har.
To those who kill-stealed me, damn you.
All this pvping is hatching more ideas in my head. Damn need to lvl up some toons. This has got to boost PVE as well.
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