Electrical Melee Running
By
Adeon Hawkwood,
Posted on: 2009-12-06 03:27 in Archetypes and Powers General Discussion
For some reason, I thought you were going to talk about the animation of ninja run while using electric melee. Now I want to hold that right arm out with a long streak of lightning trailing behind
Yes, your title is indeed a bit vague... I had no idea what this post was going to be about.
On topic: I have noticed an issue on my Spines/Elec, but my Electric Melee character is a Stalker, so his targets die pretty fast, I haven't noticed it much.
Yes, the prevailing theory seems to be that mobs run when:
1) low on HP
2) outgunned
3) recharge is basically non-existant
4) out of endurance
The last two basically translate to mean "when it has no powers available with which to attack."
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yes i see it on my stalker and its debuffs causing scatter.
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Originally Posted by Talen_Lee
Anyone else noticing this? I'm not sure if I'm seeing scotch mist, but I'm noticing more than a few enemies haring off when they're not really in any real trouble, and it's primarily on my electrical melee characters. Perchance a result of losing recovery?
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Elec Armor (on scrappers) and WP can aid in causing scatter even before low HPs. I have not seen any consistent scatter on my SD/Elm tanker, but I have not played it long.
Why Blasters? Empathy Sucks.
So, you want to be Mental?
What the hell? Let's buff defenders.
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It's a Scrapper/Stalker only issue. Brutes and Tankers have a taunt component in their attacks which prevents mobs from running away
I know that Short Circuit always got enemies to scatter when they got to 0 end, but I never really noticed if it was "0 end" or "not recovering end".
Sorry to be less than useful.
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I think that there may also be something based on -regen (or possibly a DoT effect). I seem to get a lot of runners with my Traps defender even from enemies at or near full health (and especially bosses). It could be the -recharge from PGT but that's not anywhere near non existent recharge so I'm wondering if the complete lack of regen is making them run.
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Originally Posted by Thirty_Seven
Yes, your title is indeed a bit vague... I had no idea what this post was going to be about.
On topic: I have noticed an issue on my Spines/Elec, but my Electric Melee character is a Stalker, so his targets die pretty fast, I haven't noticed it much. Yes, the prevailing theory seems to be that mobs run when: 1) low on HP 2) outgunned 3) recharge is basically non-existant 4) out of endurance The last two basically translate to mean "when it has no powers available with which to attack." |
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mortar causes scatter
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Originally Posted by Adeon Hawkwood
I think that there may also be something based on -regen (or possibly a DoT effect). I seem to get a lot of runners with my Traps defender even from enemies at or near full health (and especially bosses). It could be the -recharge from PGT but that's not anywhere near non existent recharge so I'm wondering if the complete lack of regen is making them run.
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Fair enough, although that raises the question of why? It doesn't have a fear effect so might it be the DoT?
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Originally Posted by TRTerror
mortar causes scatter
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Castle confirmed through PMs that it does have a fear effect, it's just not listed for some reason
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It affects my Widow too, who has -speed/-rech in her attack. Normal enemies she can kill lightning fast, but it's always amusing to have EBs and AVs flee from her.
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Originally Posted by Silverado
It's a Scrapper/Stalker only issue. Brutes and Tankers have a taunt component in their attacks which prevents mobs from running away
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Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU
Dispari has more than enough credability, and certainly doesn't need to borrow any from you.
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My main is an elec/elec brute, and I don't notice this, but this may be due to my attacks having a taunt component and my tendency to aggressively use powersink as a taunt and a source of end drain. I also keep lightning field running, which keeps things nearby.|
Originally Posted by Talen_Lee
Anyone else noticing this? I'm not sure if I'm seeing scotch mist, but I'm noticing more than a few enemies haring off when they're not really in any real trouble, and it's primarily on my electrical melee characters. Perchance a result of losing recovery?
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Originally Posted by Leo_G
For some reason, I thought you were going to talk about the animation of ninja run while using electric melee. Now I want to hold that right arm out with a long streak of lightning trailing behind
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Ah, that makes sense, annoying though.
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Originally Posted by Silverado
Castle confirmed through PMs that it does have a fear effect, it's just not listed for some reason
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Well yeah but I was talking about ATs who have access to Electrical Melee >_<|
Originally Posted by Dispari
It affects my Widow too, who has -speed/-rech in her attack. Normal enemies she can kill lightning fast, but it's always amusing to have EBs and AVs flee from her.
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At least Widows get access to AoE immobilizes, it's really hell for AoE focused Scrappers though (save for Shield and Invuln)
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Neither CoD nor *cough* an information source that we're not allowed to discuss on the forums *cough* list Acid Mortar as having a fear effect (or avoid/afraid, for that matter). CoD may be a little out of date at the moment, but my *ahem* other source is most decidedly not. Both sources are extremely accurate with regard to what powers in this game do.|
Originally Posted by Silverado
Castle confirmed through PMs that it does have a fear effect, it's just not listed for some reason
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So you'll forgive me for doubting, "Castle told me in a PM". While it's possible you're telling the truth, it's also unverifiable. With two sources contradicting your claim, I'm afraid I don't believe you.
http://www.fimfiction.net/story/36641/My-Little-Exalt
Ok *shrug*
I was going to suggest that we could test this in game using a power anlayzer but unfortunately it doesn't seem to show fear effects (just toerrorize)
I thought that debuffs in general caused things to run off. I've seen it with Acid Mortar. I've also seen it with Peacebringer attacks that debuff defense. Wasn't there a stickied thread somewhere named "Mob AI, Run Away!" or something like that?
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Still is, over in Player Questions.
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Originally Posted by Afterimage
Wasn't there a stickied thread somewhere named "Mob AI, Run Away!" or something like that?
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I'm confused by further comments in this thread with respect to this statement.|
Originally Posted by Silverado
Castle confirmed through PMs that it does have a fear effect, it's just not listed for some reason
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So I'll ask straight up, Silverado, in your quote above, are you referring to Electric Melee attacks or Acid Mortar having the fear effect?
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Acid Mortar
Anyone else noticing this? I'm not sure if I'm seeing scotch mist, but I'm noticing more than a few enemies haring off when they're not really in any real trouble, and it's primarily on my electrical melee characters. Perchance a result of losing recovery?