Weapon redraw issues and solution

Today I am proposing a fix for issues regarding weapon redraws, specifically unnecessary ones that interrupt the flow of attack chains.

You don't have a winner, because you don't seem to understand what the solution is that makes Brawl work that way. It's a custom animation script done by hand. To accomplish what you want, would mean hundreds if not thousands of custom scripts. The animation for the kick may look the same, but that's only because that was the base that was used. They'd have to make Kick with Katana, Kick with Mace, Kick with Rifle, etc etc.

They did the work with Brawl because everyone has it. Doing that work with the Fighting pool when it's optional most likely falls below the limit for tangible benefit vs the amount of time it would take.

Brawl is the animation with the MOST animations used for it. Brawl, the inherent, weak, everyone-gets it attack that really isn't that useful in the later levels, has had the most animation work on it to get it to work right.

In orger for power pool attacks to work with weapons, they would need the same treatment. As such, they would take:

3 Body Types * 2 pose types (flying versus on the ground) * 10 weapons sets (I think that's right) = 60 animations done for it.


It's not as easy as you might think.

How does shield and PPs work I've never tried it.

In the AE, they have 'custom weapon' animation that place whatever custom weapon you made in the custom critter creation be drawn and out. I wonder if there's a workaround once the pools become customizable for a 'custom weapon kick' animation option that draws the weapon from the costume info. There would, of course, be some different ones needed, as a mace/axe are held the same, but not an assault rifle/pulse rifle. Also, it gets tricky with things like bane spiders who can have two different maces.

This is just a thought, and I admittedly don't know the ins and outs of the system.

*edit* This assuming they can't simply completely copy the brawl kick animation and place it in the fighting pool animation options. Are the animation times actually any different?

630 animations does sound like a large load to get rid of Weapon redraws, a great deal. I will admit I didn't take into account that body-types and the number of powers to work on was extremely neglected.

But Weapon redraws will still be an annoyance upon the game until it's sorted, so perhaps it's not that it should be done all at once, but attempted every few patches until one day all weapons can avoid redrawing.

After all, there's nothing to say that if the devs have spare resources, they can't work on a particular power and all the body types and flight/ground animations. You could see Kick being compatible in one patch, then Boxing in another patch. It would probably have no mention aside from the patch notes, but those who had problems with that power and their weapons before can feel better that they're no longer restricted.

630 is far too much for one release, but spread it over a number years and it doesn't seem so threatening anymore.

I do agree that it *should* be done, but having a general idea of the workload involved throws it at the back of things I'd like to see fixed around here.

It was very nice to have the baked in redraw times removed from the sets that have been worked on so far. Claws, DB (which never had the baked in redraw,) and mace I know have been done. Not sure about broadsword and axe.

That's not to say I agree with Castle's claws damage tweak (I don't... at all) but the set certainly felt smoother after the rework.

Seems like more and more I see threads with good ideas that get shot down with the same basic excuse, "It's too much work!".

I understand some of the developers have made an attempt to show the kind of work involved with this game. They give how many animations it would take, the kind of time such animations would take, etc. Somewhere along the line many players jumped on this band wagon and every time a new idea comes up it is met with reasons why things can't be done.

I'm sure some people think that they're "helping" or just "being realistic", but sometimes it seems like they're just looking for reasons to shoot down an idea. If this same mentality had been used when the idea for this game was first thought of, I dare say that it would never have come into existence.

I'm sure there are plans in place and the developers have a system to determine which ideas are feasible based on existing work loads. I'm sure it's true that the amount of time to animate something combined with the number of people that use it play a significant factor in whether it gets done or not.

That being said, we as players do not have the data to determine that information and unless a red name specifically says an idea is not feasible, perhaps we should not be so quick to give our wonderful technical advice.

If someone wants a direct reply from a dev, they should PM the dev in question.

The dev can then copy/paste the reply they've sent out a hundred times explaining the ROI for a given suggestion.

Or they can post it to the forums once and allow the players to regurgitate the info.

When a poster chooses to post a suggestion to the open forum rather than a private message, often they'll get the second option. It's not so much that people hang out in the suggestions forum waiting to slap down ideas, it's more that many of the long time forum goers have seen the same suggestion proposed a thousand times.

It's a question of whether it's worth the time, and thus the money, to accomplish a task.

In this case, we've been told multiple times that the answer is, "No."

Try to keep that in mind next time you feel it necessary to share your baseless judgments with the rest of us.

Try the dev digest. Read through BAB's posts. You'll find it.

I think I'd get jaded too if I'd been around a long time, and had to reply to everyone who thought themselves a Nobel Prize winner for coming up with an idea for the 118th time, and then got told that the answer they gave, based off Dev responses for a long time, was for some reason wrong.

Just saying

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