LGTF Bugged: Don't run it with any less than 50

There are a couple scenarios where if you have a less than 50 on the team at all, the team may become permanently set below level 50 and you won't be able to complete the TF.

At that point, no amount of logging out/logging back in to force a 50 to the top and reset the mission will work, and the GM's won't help you (they just say it's "working as intended"). You're done.

It's possible for a change in leadership to cause all kinds of odd behavior. So far, i have personally witnessed the following...
* Missions may be repeated.
* The contact might not talk to the leader (person with the star), but still responds to the old leader.
* Level of the team may decrease, but the level of the missions stay capped.
* Level of the mission may increase (if not already capped), but the level of the team does not change.

This is true of other TFs as well, not just LGTF... but I have not been able to come up with certain "steps to reproduce" to purposely cause any of the above behavior, other than.. keeping the same leader since the first team invite, and not ever disconnecting or relogging in any way seems to prevent it.

Yes, they did:

Yeah, I find that to be shocking. I pointed out issues with this for the ITF back in October to Arbiter Kim, and he said, "thanks for letting me know, we're looking into this." That's not him saying anything about WAI, but I don't know how this could be an intended feature or okay in any way.

Simply put, the level of the team for a TF/SF is set and locked when the TF/SF is started.

Unless you are deliberately intending to make it difficult for yourself, the leader should be at/above the cap for the TF/SF.

This simple advice applies to every TF/SF in the game.

Had that with the defeat weakened Hamidon mission. Drag the rikti in, defeat the mitos, defeat the pylons defeat the pylons Hami explodes, go out the mission is still there. Repeat, call a gm, gm resets it, repeat, repeat next thing you know half the team is gone and the rest don't have a chance.

Hami always spawned at 50, so a bunch of 45s used to be able to start, but basically be unable to finish.

The STF villains always spawn even higher.

Posi always spawns at 15, though in this case at least one group of 3 level 10s ran this just to show it can be done.

Signature TFs have been like this for as long as I have been playing.

For Lady Grey Specifically: The first way was you needed 4 players at/near 50 the rest needed to be 35+ (then adjusted to 45+)and were sidekicked manually, or now have a single 50 and the rest 45+ under SSK is all that is needed.

SSK makes it easier than ever to get a team, just make sure the 50 starts it.

The problem isn't with the TF, it's a shortcoming of the SSK system. No need to call this hate for SSK though - this issue *is* repairable, or at least can be mitigated somewhat.

For instance, have the contact refuse to talk to the team leader unless they're level 50. Or even more flexible, have the leader on one of those TF's auto-sk'd to 50 and the rest of the team follow the usual SSK rules (then your only handicap is the lack of powers/slots between 45 and 50). The latter might be more flexible, because then a whole team of 45's can still take on the TF if they insist.

Whether or not this was broken since the dawn of time is irrelevant, the point is whether or not you have a reasonable expectation to finish a TF once you've gone 2/3 the way through it.

I've actually noticed this with AE missions lately.

1) I run a 1-54 mission, as a level 50, set to +2. I'll fight level 52s.
2) I crash out and star is passed to someone else.
3) Logging back in, the mission is now setting us both to 38, regardless of who has the star, or their actual level. The mission now can't be completed because we're 38, fighting 52s.

Has happened on more than one occasion.

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Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU Dispari has more than enough credability, and certainly doesn't need to borrow any from you.

I remember the discussion, but I still believe it is a bad design. It is essentially requiring a level 50 for TFs that range in level from 35 to 50. There is also no indication of this for the average player. As an example, a player at level 45 forming a LGTF has no clue they will require a 50 to lead it, otherwise it can't be completed.