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With your statement whats to stop people from reporting others who said before in the post someone who said peanutbutter and jelly?
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Originally Posted by dj13
I don't think it is that NCSoft is saying it is okay to be offended by gays. I think they are seeing that someone thought that your statement was somehow meant TO BE offensive. Someone reported what you said to them because that person thought YOU were belittling either God or gays.
It is an on-going struggle in online communities. People being offended by statements that have nothing to do with them. People being offended 'on behalf' of a group they don't actually belong to. Watchdogs who blow their whistle at the first sign of perceived intolerance (or ironically... Bohemia). I would not worry about it. |
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Nothing. Absolutely nothing is stopping them from reporting you. However, the GMs would then look at the chat logs, and see that there was nothing that broke the EULA, or even came close to it.
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Originally Posted by orangemonkey
With your statement whats to stop people from reporting others who said before in the post someone who said peanutbutter and jelly?
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Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted.
~Ralph Waldo Emerson
"I was just the one with the most unsolicited sombrero." - Traegus
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Hello! No one could manage to tell me how it was offensive. How can I learn from my 'mistake' if I have no idea what I did wrong. And in response to your people in the US straying away from using religious beliefs in speeches to keep others of a different religion from being offended is an outright lie. Most people in politics only got to become a senator or what have you was because they claim to be good hearted Christian.
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Originally Posted by Commander
Actually, from this comment, it just backs up my troll comment. I renege the apology.
If you would take the time to read the many comments made to tell you how it was offensive, then you would know. ANYONE CAN FIND OFFENSE IN ANYTHING! It's not up to you to determine if people can or can't be offended. Just like it's not up to you whether or not a GM gives you a warning. Many examples of how it could have been seen as offensive were given. If you are expecting a GM to give you the exact reason, then you don't know anything about corporate business. And why do you assume it has anything to do with the word "gay?" You seem to be pressing it as if YOU known for a fact that it is. What if anyone of another religion found the comment about "God" offensive. I mean, the game is ruled by the laws of the U.S. You've heard about the separation of Church and State? I'm sure you know that in recent years, public speaking about religious beliefs has been toned down to keep others of a different religion from being offended. Wait, there's that word again... offended. Once again, the C O N T E X T of what was said may have been missed. You can either 1.) continue on with a rant that no one but yourself believes in or 2.) drop it, move on, and play the game and learn from your actions. I suggest going the route of teh 2nd option. |
I'd like to add that the warning also included something I said in team chat and I'm pretty sure I know who sent it. I think it was a guy I kicked for almost killing the main AV while someone was logging back in from a DC. I'm most upset that it had NOTHING to do with actually being offended.
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The only person who's going to be able to tell you is the person who reported you. You see, you've given us full context of the event, from you point of view of course, so of course we're not going to be able to answer that question definitively. Keep in mind that the person who reported you may have mistook your comment as a slur against gays. Or bashing religion. |
Originally Posted by orangemonkey
Hello! No one could manage to tell me how it was offensive. How can I learn from my 'mistake' if I have no idea what I did wrong.
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There's just no telling what goes on in the heads of others. Given some of the encounters I've had in the game, I can tell you that sometimes very little is going on.
Don't take the warning as a disciplinary action. Think of it more as the GMs politely saying, "Hey, just so you know, someone found that offensive. You may want to think twice the next time you want to say something similar to that."
@Rylas
Kill 'em all. Let XP sort 'em out.
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Nothing whatsoever. However, in most communities (at least in the ones I moderated) frivolous reporting has its own penalty. In the end, people will usually hit the report button for one of a two reasons:|
Originally Posted by orangemonkey
With your statement whats to stop people from reporting others who said before in the post someone who said peanutbutter and jelly?
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* They feel offended by something. (Whether this offense is intended or warranted isn't a factor.)
* They think that someone else WOULD be offended (and they choose to be a busy-body)
If a moderator reads a report and sees that something COULD be misunderstood and thinks you should be more careful he's probably going to warn you to be more careful and then move on down his list. If he sees that someone is reporting something frivolous and has just wasted his time, he should warn the person who made the report instead. Sometimes he might actually do both.
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If you can't explain the harassment how is it harassment?
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Originally Posted by Rylas
The only person who's going to be able to tell you is the person who reported you. You see, you've given us full context of the event, from you point of view of course, so of course we're not going to be able to answer that question definitively. Keep in mind that the person who reported you may have mistook your comment as a slur against gays. Or bashing religion.
There's just no telling what goes on in the heads of others. Given some of the encounters I've had in the game, I can tell you that sometimes very little is going on. Don't take the warning as a disciplinary action. Think of it more as the GMs politely saying, "Hey, just so you know, someone found that offensive. You may want to think twice the next time you want to say something similar to that." |
I actually thought this was going to be a troll thread just from the title. Even if it is a quote, taken out of context, it can sound quite offensive. So I can see how it might upset someone.
If this is your second offense as you say, I'd be much more careful choosing words for broadcast.
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Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU
Dispari has more than enough credability, and certainly doesn't need to borrow any from you.
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Thanks for your help guys.
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Already answered by Cat and Dumple (IIRC) -|
Originally Posted by orangemonkey
Thanks for your help guys. One last question...What are the little green things on the bottom of the avatars?
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That's reputation people have assigned to you on this forum and is basically meaningless.
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Unfortunately, its not limited to just online communities.
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Originally Posted by dj13
It is an on-going struggle in online communities. People being offended by statements that have nothing to do with them. People being offended 'on behalf' of a group they don't actually belong to. Watchdogs who blow their whistle at the first sign of perceived intolerance (or ironically... Bohemia).
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There I was between a rock and a hard place. Then I thought, "What am I doing on this side of the rock?"
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Without getting into a flame-baiting conversation on a topic that includes the word "God" and "gays," that's the best explanation you're going to get. In a country where everyone gets offended all of the time and "Political Correctness" abounds (assuming your in the States) you should know this. |
Originally Posted by orangemonkey
If you can't explain the harassment how is it harassment?
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*Views in this comment are not necessarily the views of poster.
@Rylas
Kill 'em all. Let XP sort 'em out.
OP: Did you consider that the person doing the reporting may not have cared in the slightest about the word "gay", which you have mentioned numerous times, and instead the use of the word "God"? One could claim that you took the name of God in vain, which some religious people find VERY offensive.
Short version: You used a word that gets blocked by the language filter in a public channel. This IS a petitionable offense. Whether we agree or not.
@Roderick
Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted.
~Ralph Waldo Emerson
"I was just the one with the most unsolicited sombrero." - Traegus