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Originally Posted by Talen_Lee
I personally am trying to recall three-man teams of experienced players that can't handle AVs. I am sure there are some I've been on - things like a situation where we had a sidekick.
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| Good that DC is having fun - and good that he's having fun with friends. I am however, interested in promulgating accurate information, and the thread title feels like an attempt to spin information and perception. |
If I quote #'s, they're from City of Data.
Global: @Kazari
It was either Taunt or Purple Triangles of Doom. I stand by my decision!
-BackAlleyBrawler
I don't remember starting a thread telling people that I totally remember this one time I did a thing.
I'm still not seeing it as all that big a deal to kill two AVs in a team of three when your powers stack. I'm really not seeing it as some kind of grand congratulation on /Earth that determines it's the AV killer, as if somehow this whole feat would never have transpired if not for Earth Assault, especially since the buffs to the dominator.
I am also certain that there are players out there who can fail in a three-man-team to take on any specific AV you like to mention. But I'm also not sure what that proves either. Taking on an AV in a trio with well-stacking effects seems to me to be pretty much completely pointless to boast about.
Finally, I'm not sure how a video of me fighting an AV solo would meaningfully contribute to a discussion of what teams of stacked dominators do vs AVs. On the other hand, the point of this thread seems to be leave DC alone, which is probably some kind of lofty goal amongst you kids these days.
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Neither did DC. He's *showing* what has been done.|
Originally Posted by Talen_Lee
I don't remember starting a thread telling people that I totally remember this one time I did a thing.
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[Again: money, mouth...]
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| I'm still not seeing it as all that big a deal to kill two AVs in a team of three when your powers stack. I'm really not seeing it as some kind of grand congratulation on /Earth that determines it's the AV killer, as if somehow this whole feat would never have transpired if not for Earth Assault, especially since the buffs to the dominator. |
Perhaps if you'd stop reading past what's actually written...
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I am also certain that there are players out there who can fail in a three-man-team to take on any specific AV you like to mention. But I'm also not sure what that proves either. Taking on an AV in a trio with well-stacking effects seems to me to be pretty much completely pointless to boast about. Finally, I'm not sure how a video of me fighting an AV solo would meaningfully contribute to a discussion of what teams of stacked dominators do vs AVs. |
Also, who's *discussing* teams of stacked doms? You?
That's *monologue*.
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If I quote #'s, they're from City of Data.
Global: @Kazari
It was either Taunt or Purple Triangles of Doom. I stand by my decision!
-BackAlleyBrawler
Oh yeah, who was doing the heavy lifting in this one? That was about 30 DE I leapt into and herded up for you.
Oh, and there's the beatdown of Zenflower in 100 seconds, too. Only took 5 of us this time. We're getting better at this AV killing!
Please buff Ice Control.
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Originally Posted by DarkCurrent
Oh yeah, who was doing the heavy lifting in this one? That was about 30 DE I leapt into and herded up for you.
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If I quote #'s, they're from City of Data.
Global: @Kazari
It was either Taunt or Purple Triangles of Doom. I stand by my decision!
-BackAlleyBrawler
Still not seeing anything special about these achievements.
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For the record, when I15 was on test I did it in 25 minutes. The few extra mag from Seismic Smash would certainly be welcome. Animation times and the absence of a self damage buff would be the deciding factor.
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Originally Posted by DarkCurrent
But comparing a pre-revamp permadom soloing AVs for 60-80 minutes each after multiple failed attempts to 3 doms post-revamp, nonperma, defeating an AV in 4 minutes the first time doesn't make sense.
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Because you're choosing not to see it. He's pointing out that Seismic Smash's hold is stacking with the primary hold. This has really interesting potential. It's not "just" that three doms are taking down AV's (sans debuffs, tankage, etc...)...its that Seismic Smash is allowing them to stack holds quickly.
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Originally Posted by Weatherby Goode
Still not seeing anything special about these achievements.
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My level 50 Dominators:
Madame Mindbender 50 Mind/Energy
Fly Agaric 50 Plant/Thorn
Nate Nitro 50 Fire/Psi
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Originally Posted by RiverOcean
Because you're choosing not to see it. He's pointing out that Seismic Smash's hold is stacking with the primary hold. This has really interesting potential. It's not "just" that three doms are taking down AV's (sans debuffs, tankage, etc...)...its that Seismic Smash is allowing them to stack holds quickly.
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But isn't that what I said in the very first post?
"/Earth is officially the new AV killer. Being able to stack holds quickly with your ST + Seismic Smash is to die for."
Now if he's saying that's not special, then he's clueless. So let me spell it out.
With domination active, you can stack 20 mag by my calculations with 3 chained attacks: AoE hold, ST hold and Seismic Smash in the time it takes to cast them. If you have a pet like singularity or animate stone that also spams hold powers (1 of 3 attacks), then it will add another mag 3 in the same time as your 20 mag was added, so a total of 23 within about 6 seconds. Then, another 16 can be added by the ST hold, seismic smash and pet in another 6 seconds. Then, another 16 6 seconds after that for a total of 55. Five more than needed to break an AV's PToD up phase (50 mag).
With power boost (and megalomaniac possibly) increasing durations and some moderate recharge and accuracy slotting, there's no reason such a NON-perma dominator and his pet couldn't hold an AV through PToD SOLO. You just need to survive the first 20-30 seconds, which is fairly easy with the correct inspirations or Surge of Power/Demonic.
Now, killing it will take a long time, but it is certainly doable and I dare say moreso than any other secondary combo out there although /psi brings -regen to the table, so it'd be an interesting experiment. However, I leave that up to the die hards. I'm content to bring 1-2 others with me to speed the killing along.
Please buff Ice Control.
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And this is my goal that I'm working towards with my Grav/Earth. A viable (cheap) option for those who don't want Perma, but want to feel a little uber. If it works, I'll post all about. But first I need to get a computer that won't die when FRAPS or Hero Stats is running!!! Xmas here I come.
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Originally Posted by DarkCurrent
With power boost (and megalomaniac possibly) increasing durations and some moderate recharge and accuracy slotting, there's no reason such a NON-perma dominator and his pet couldn't hold an AV through PToD SOLO. You just need to survive the first 20-30 seconds, which is fairly easy with the correct inspirations or Surge of Power/Demonic. . |
My level 50 Dominators:
Madame Mindbender 50 Mind/Energy
Fly Agaric 50 Plant/Thorn
Nate Nitro 50 Fire/Psi
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Originally Posted by RiverOcean
[...]He's pointing out that Seismic Smash's hold is stacking with the primary hold.
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... Oh wait, we did know controls stacked, it's pretty common knowledge...
Seriously? That's the best flame you could do?
Better luck next time.
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But its all smashing damage and you lack damage buffs outside of assault.
/Fire hast the highest single target dps. /Mental could probably solo gm´s(i think its been done but not sure).
No, no, you need to read the thread again.
For the purpose of this thread "AV Killer" doesn't actually mean what nearly every player in the game thinks it means. This thread has instead redefined it to mean "useful as part of a team fighting an AV".
Please help the rest of the forums understand the new meaning, because I suspect we'll have better luck convincing the rest of the world of this then to get DarkCurrent to admit that "AV Killer" is a misleading title.
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I was considering "The Mediocre Player's Guide to Blogging About Dominators", but that was already taken.
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Originally Posted by MinMin
No, no, you need to read the thread again.
For the purpose of this thread "AV Killer" doesn't actually mean what nearly every player in the game thinks it means. This thread has instead redefined it to mean "useful as part of a team fighting an AV". Please help the rest of the forums understand the new meaning, because I suspect we'll have better luck convincing the rest of the world of this then to get DarkCurrent to admit that "AV Killer" is a misleading title. |
Please buff Ice Control.
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Originally Posted by DarkCurrent
I was considering "The Mediocre Player's Guide to Blogging About Dominators", but that was already taken.
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Was it? That's too bad, because it describes most of your videos.
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Originally Posted by Weatherby Goode
Was it? That's too bad, because it describes most of your videos.
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If I quote #'s, they're from City of Data.
Global: @Kazari
It was either Taunt or Purple Triangles of Doom. I stand by my decision!
-BackAlleyBrawler
Hang on a sec. I'm not having a shot at the achievement. I think Earth Assault is pretty cool for stacking mag and I entirely agree that having one on your team is a good thing if you want to take down an AV and the video shows that well.
My only point in this is that calling an Earth Assault Dom an AV Killer implies to just about anyone reading it that the video is going to be of an Earth Assault Dom killing an AV. Not a team killing an AV that happens to include an /Earth Dom.
So don't lump me in with the "put-up-or-shut-up" response.
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Originally Posted by HacknSlash
Which, sadly, would still make them better than the ones you, Min, and Talen have posted.
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I prefer to think of my lack of contribution as maintaining what little quality remains on the internet.
loluallmad
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Well, technically, the whole team in the Woodsman video were /earth doms... |
Originally Posted by MinMin
Hang on a sec. I'm not having a shot at the achievement. I think Earth Assault is pretty cool for stacking mag and I entirely agree that having one on your team is a good thing if you want to take down an AV and the video shows that well.
My only point in this is that calling an Earth Assault Dom an AV Killer implies to just about anyone reading it that the video is going to be of an Earth Assault Dom killing an AV. Not a team killing an AV that happens to include an /Earth Dom. |
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If I quote #'s, they're from City of Data.
Global: @Kazari
It was either Taunt or Purple Triangles of Doom. I stand by my decision!
-BackAlleyBrawler
Now come on DC I think you and Min agree more than I think you realize you do. 
Play Nice...
My level 50 Dominators:
Madame Mindbender 50 Mind/Energy
Fly Agaric 50 Plant/Thorn
Nate Nitro 50 Fire/Psi
I am impressed. If you're not than I say try it yourself with three Dominators and tell me how it went...
Good that DC is having fun - and good that he's having fun with friends. I am however, interested in promulgating accurate information, and the thread title feels like an attempt to spin information and perception.