Talsorian name change
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Adeon Hawkwood,
Posted on: 2009-11-13 18:48 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
it was done so they could bring me vanguard mace!
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I don't believe that the devs have stated why, but it was probably a copyright issue.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R._Talsorian_Games
That would be lame. And yeah seriously, where is the tech axe and the talsorian axe???????? There might be a tech axe but if so its lame cause I don't even recall it, if not we need one, and we definitely need a "talsorian" axe, which if one exists i have yet to see it.
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We also BADLY need aura's for our weapons like Battle Maiden and Infernal have. Fire aura, electricity and cold aura, nether aura, light aura, you name it, our weapons NEED it!
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I figured it was just to bring them in line with the rest of the vanguard-named pieces. Vanguard weapon, Talsorian weapon..meh, whatever, as long as they don't change how they look.
Auras for weapons would be neat. They'd probably make it a booster pack though...humbug.
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The Vanguard, formerly Talsorian, Axe exists already.|
Originally Posted by Windenergy21
That would be lame. And yeah seriously, where is the tech axe and the talsorian axe???????? There might be a tech axe but if so its lame cause I don't even recall it, if not we need one, and we definitely need a "talsorian" axe, which if one exists i have yet to see it.
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As for a "tech" axe, the Impervium Axe fits nicely, IMO.
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IIRC, they can't give us customizable auras on our weapons. What they can give us is weapons that have auras baked in (see: Tech Sword, Tech Mace)
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Originally Posted by Windenergy21
We also BADLY need aura's for our weapons like Battle Maiden and Infernal have. Fire aura, electricity and cold aura, nether aura, light aura, you name it, our weapons NEED it!
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Originally Posted by Windenergy21
Why did they change the name of the Talsorian weapons to vanguard?
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"fits nicely" is not the same as "is a tech axe" Need a good tech axe, one that fits theme with the tech shield like the tech broadsword does with it.|
Originally Posted by Rush_Bolt
The Vanguard, formerly Talsorian, Axe exists already.
As for a "tech" axe, the Impervium Axe fits nicely, IMO. |
And really on the talsorian axe? I have yet to see it in game.
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Just like they "can't" give us customizable power colors? It can DEFINITLEY be done. Really, if they can do auras on body parts, there is no reason it can't be done on weapons.
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Originally Posted by Fleeting Whisper
IIRC, they can't give us customizable auras on our weapons. What they can give us is weapons that have auras baked in (see: Tech Sword, Tech Mace)
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Ew yeesh no wonder I haven't seein it yet, it looks terrible |
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They need to make a modified version of it with the double blades like the normal axe does .
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Originally Posted by Windenergy21
Just like they "can't" give us customizable power colors? It can DEFINITLEY be done. Really, if they can do auras on body parts, there is no reason it can't be done on weapons.
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Do what I do: Any time you see the word "can't" replace it with "the amount of effort and coding involved in the implementation of this would be such that it is unfeasible to do it with the budgeted time and resource that they have."|
Originally Posted by Windenergy21
Just like they "can't" give us customizable power colors? It can DEFINITLEY be done. Really, if they can do auras on body parts, there is no reason it can't be done on weapons.
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It's not that they literally can't do it, it's just that there would be several major changes that would need to be made to the underlying way that the characters are modelled, and they would basically need to take it down to zero before they could implement it is just not cost effective at this time.
As an aside, I'm beginning to think that they shouldn't have gone through with power customization. It seems it's becoming the justification for every idea that bounces through here. "They said they couldn't allow us to customize our powers, and now we can, why can't CoH make my computer print money?"
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wth is a talsorian anyway? Pardon my ignorance...
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Originally Posted by Fleeting Whisper
IIRC, they can't give us customizable auras on our weapons. What they can give us is weapons that have auras baked in (see: Tech Sword, Tech Mace)
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Actually, yes there is. Auras have to be attached to a node, or what the devs refer to as "bones" on your character model. Each bone can only have one attached object. If you have a weapon, then it's already attached to the bone in your hand(s), and thus there is nowhere else to attach an Aura--and it would HAVE to be attached to the same node, otherwise it wouldn't animate properly when you attack.|
Originally Posted by Windenergy21
Just like they "can't" give us customizable power colors? It can DEFINITLEY be done. Really, if they can do auras on body parts, there is no reason it can't be done on weapons.
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This last part is just an educated guess, but weapons themselves probably can't have bones because not every character has a weapon. Plus, I recall someone involved in character design or animation (probably BABs, though I'm not trying to use him as a "catch-all" dev for quoting
) stating that there were a finite number of bones available per character, and increasing that number would present significant coding and possibly account storage challenges for the team.
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But the coding already exists, thats the point, Its on the AVs. Not even just that look at ice sword, how its graphics were messed up, between having its form, and then the icy aura not matching up, they have the aura for us already there, fire sword, etc. They just need to make it customizable to normal weapons.
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Originally Posted by Basilisk
Do what I do: Any time you see the word "can't" replace it with "the amount of effort and coding involved in the implementation of this would be such that it is unfeasible to do it with the budgeted time and resource that they have."
It's not that they literally can't do it, it's just that there would be several major changes that would need to be made to the underlying way that the characters are modelled, and they would basically need to take it down to zero before they could implement it is just not cost effective at this time. As an aside, I'm beginning to think that they shouldn't have gone through with power customization. It seems it's becoming the justification for every idea that bounces through here. "They said they couldn't allow us to customize our powers, and now we can, why can't CoH make my computer print money?" |
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Standard code rant, again.
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Originally Posted by Windenergy21
But the coding already exists, thats the point, Its on the AVs. Not even just that look at ice sword, how its graphics were messed up, between having its form, and then the icy aura not matching up, they have the aura for us already there, fire sword, etc. They just need to make it customizable to normal weapons.
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Originally Posted by Iannis
Auras for weapons would be neat. They'd probably make it a booster pack though...humbug.
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"Talsorian" was the in-universe name given to the technology (possibly magitech) that made monomolecular energy structures possible.|
Originally Posted by beyeajus74018
wth is a talsorian anyway? Pardon my ignorance...
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Out-of-universe, "Talsorian" was an homage/nod to the R. Talsorian games, of which, I believe, Positron is a fan of.
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This isn't possible, because according to the Devs they can't "put a costume piece onto another costume piece"
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Originally Posted by Windenergy21
Just like they "can't" give us customizable power colors? It can DEFINITLEY be done. Really, if they can do auras on body parts, there is no reason it can't be done on weapons.
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Sure they could, though depending how you do it is the tricy part. they could do it like they did for elemental shields. A different weapon for each aura, and then just let us select the color scheme associated with it (like orange, green, blue elec shields etc)
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Originally Posted by ReclusesPhantom
This isn't possible, because according to the Devs they can't "put a costume piece onto another costume piece"
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You asked for a Talsorian axe, we showed you a Talsorian axe. Whether YOU like it or not is irrelevant to its existence.|
Originally Posted by Windenergy21
Ew yeesh no wonder I haven't seein it yet, it looks terrible
They need to make a modified version of it with the double blades like the normal axe does . |
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Originally Posted by Windenergy21
Sure they could, though depending how you do it is the tricy part. they could do it like they did for elemental shields. A different weapon for each aura, and then just let us select the color scheme associated with it (like orange, green, blue elec shields etc)
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Additionally, weapons with auras do not colour well, since you only have two colours per weapon, and one colour is required for the aura. Even if it's cloned over some details of the weapon, it's still restrictive, in the same way that all Rularuu weapons are predominantly black, with most colour going towards altering the eye. I realise shields can have emblems (some shields, those without effects), but I'm fairly confident in assuming shields are set up different from weapons.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
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Why did they change the name of the Talsorian weapons to vanguard? Talsorian was SOOOO much cooler of a name than lame Vanguard is
. Change it back!!! :P
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