Questions concerning the Rogue Isles


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Over the years the existence of the Rogue Isles has caused me to ponder several questions about the politics and infastructure of this independant nation.

1. What's the currency of the Rogue Isles? Is it unique to the country or do they just use US dollars for simplicity's sake?

2. Are the Isles represented in the United Nations? If so, is there an official delegate or does Lord Recluse have to step in? (I keep seeing the image of a cranky-looking Recluse wedged into one of those council seats while the delegates on either side of him try not to get clipped by his extra limbs)

3. The Isles *are* a sovereign nation, right? Thus the presence of Longbow troops on Mercy could be a potential international incident? And if Nerva isn't controlled by the Isles, who does?

4. Do Wolf Spider troopers serve as the official, civic police force on most islands? If so, what's the point of the Rogue Island Police (other than as a Wolf Spider boot camp)?

5. Who are all the current Govenors and Marshals for all of the islands?

6. Why doesn't Arachnos evacuate the remaining civilians from Bloody Bay and Warburg (come to think of it, why hasn't Longbow helped the locals there either?)


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3. The Isles *are* a sovereign nation, right? Thus the presence of Longbow troops on Mercy could be a potential international incident? And if Nerva isn't controlled by the Isles, who does?
There's an ongoing controversy over that, as Longbow's base in Agincourt could count as the invasion of a foreign nation. I don't believe, however, that Nerva is a part of Recluse's nation, not technically. I've no idea who it's under at the moment. I think it counts as a sovereign island state.

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5. Who are all the current Govenors and Marshals for all of the islands?
For Mercy and I Cap I don't know, but Dr. Aeon is the governor of Cap Au Diable, Kirk Cage is the governor of Sharkhead Island and Johnny Sonata is the de-facto governor of St. Martial Island. It's possible that Emil Marcone is acting governor of Port Oaks, though I can't be sure. I don't believe Nerva has a governor, and Grandville doesn't seem to need one.


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These would all be great questions for Manticore's fluff thread.

1) Infamy? I honestly have no idea. I have no problem spending the US dollars I steal from Paragon though.

2) I get the impression Recluse sends a delegate, some stuffed suit most likely, but I have nothing concrete. I am virtually certain that he has had to appear in person before that assemblege at least once though.

3) Correct and Correct. Nerva is I believe either independent or a US protectorate. Recluse however does encourage his operatives to engage in acts of crime on Nerva, I think because they can more easily get away with it so close to their home.

4) Arachnos is the Army, the RIP are the police. The RIP are also corrupt and bad at their job.

5) I think Aeon is Governor of Cap Au Diable, and Marshal Brass is obviously the Marshal. I remember hearing that Mako was given governership of Sharkhead, but I can't remember where that was.

6) We don't want to deal with PvP zones to get them out. If they can't escape on their own, Arachnos doctrine states that we should leave them there.



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6. Why doesn't Arachnos evacuate the remaining civilians from Bloody Bay and Warburg (come to think of it, why hasn't Longbow helped the locals there either?)
Is it bad that I read that as "lolcats" instead of locals?


 

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International waters. No man's land. A lawless place. Whatever you want to call it.


 

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These are just my guesses

1) I'd assume they use US Currency. Oh sure, they could have their own currency but with a corrupt system such as the Rogue Isles a constant exchange rate would be difficult to keep. Not to mention if you try to go to Paragon with different currency you'll be immediately flagged as a villain, even if you are a civilian who got a visa to visit his family stateside.

2) Lord Recluse would never stoop so low as to attend a UN meeting. yes, they are part of the UN Council. It's one more way he can gain Power with a capitl "P". What better way to do what you want then to be able to convince certain countries to side with you in your decisions. Lord Recluse would not be where he is today if he did it all alone.

3) Yes, it could be an international incident but I believe Recluse allows their presence on Mercy as a test to the newly freed prisoners from the Zig. Nerva, while protected by the US, is too spread out for the small contigent of Longbow to cover constantly so Recluse encourages crime there.

4)The Rogue Isle Police are the face of the law on the Rogue Isles. While the Wolf Spiders have the final say in everything, the RIP are so that when Paragon and the UN Council start looking at the Isles, they see a recognizable police uniform.

5) Don't know, it's been answered and that's one question I can't just put my imagination on.

6) Number of reasons, it could be finacially impossible to evacuate all those citizens while aliens are running about or with a warhead being launched constantly. It could be that the citizens refused to leave despite the danger or the respective governments just left them there when the fighting escalated.


 

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For Mercy and I Cap I don't know, but Dr. Aeon is the governor of Cap Au Diable, Kirk Cage is the governor of Sharkhead Island and Johnny Sonata is the de-facto governor of St. Martial Island. It's possible that Emil Marcone is acting governor of Port Oaks, though I can't be sure. I don't believe Nerva has a governor, and Grandville doesn't seem to need one.
Olivia Darque is the governor of Cap, I'm pretty sure. And Ghost Widow oversees Mercy, though I'm not sure to what extent.


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Olivia Darque is the governor of Cap, I'm pretty sure. And Ghost Widow oversees Mercy, though I'm not sure to what extent.
Doctor Aeon is definately the Governor of Cap



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Melody Harkness was the Governor of Warburg until she was murdered and replaced by Marshal Jason Blitz - but as he's a rogue Marshall, I'm not sure if he counts anymore


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Olivia Darque is the governor of Cap, I'm pretty sure. And Ghost Widow oversees Mercy, though I'm not sure to what extent.
I think you mean Port Oaks. And who is Olivia Darque? I've heard the name, I might have even rescued her one, but there's practically nothing about her that I'm aware of.

Also, yes, Ghost Widow has command of Mercy Island, but like the rest of the Patrons, she spends most of her time at Recluse's side or out on tasks (she was investigating the Port Oaks ghosts) so I'm sure the island would need at least a de-facto governor, much in the same way as Sharkhead Island is under the control of Kirk Cage and the Cage Conglomerate, despite it technically being under Mako's keep.


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Melody Harkness was the Governor of Warburg until she was murdered and replaced by Marshal Jason Blitz - but as he's a rogue Marshall, I'm not sure if he counts anymore
Blitz is a "rogue" in word only. Quietly, Recluse supports and approves of Blitz's actions, as they allow him to be a nuclear hostile with deniability.

Edit- meant Blitz. Was typing as the cab rolled up.

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I think you mean Port Oaks. And who is Olivia Darque? I've heard the name, I might have even rescued her one, but there's practically nothing about her that I'm aware of.

Also, yes, Ghost Widow has command of Mercy Island, but like the rest of the Patrons, she spends most of her time at Recluse's side or out on tasks (she was investigating the Port Oaks ghosts) so I'm sure the island would need at least a de-facto governor, much in the same way as Sharkhead Island is under the control of Kirk Cage and the Cage Conglomerate, despite it technically being under Mako's keep.
Maybe it's just an error, but Pither seems to think she's the governor of Cap. I always took that to mean that while your villain was busy stomping a path up the Arachnos food chain, so was Darque, starting off as Marshall Brass' assistant until finally putting herself above Aeon.


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Olivia Darque is the governor of Cap, I'm pretty sure. And Ghost Widow oversees Mercy, though I'm not sure to what extent.
Doctor Aeon is definately the Governor of Cap
Aeon is mentioned as being governor of Cap Au Diable, but Efficiency Expert Pither also says that Olivia Darque is the governess of Aeon City. It's either an error in Pither's text (and error like that by his character is very far out of character), or there's a relationship between Olivia and Aeon we don't know about...

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And who is Olivia Darque? I've heard the name, I might have even rescued her one, but there's practically nothing about her that I'm aware of.
There are actually two missions where you rescue her. One from Peter Themari, and one from Efficiency Expert Pither. You don't know much about her, because not much is said about her.

With the Themari mission, she's said to be an assistant to Marshal Brass, and a big player in Cap Au Diable. With Pither's mission, she's supposedly governess. And that's about all we know about her.


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Yes, Nerva is a US Protectorate.


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There's an ongoing controversy over that, as Longbow's base in Agincourt could count as the invasion of a foreign nation. I don't believe, however, that Nerva is a part of Recluse's nation, not technically. I've no idea who it's under at the moment. I think it counts as a sovereign island state.



For Mercy and I Cap I don't know, but Dr. Aeon is the governor of Cap Au Diable, Kirk Cage is the governor of Sharkhead Island and Johnny Sonata is the de-facto governor of St. Martial Island. It's possible that Emil Marcone is acting governor of Port Oaks, though I can't be sure. I don't believe Nerva has a governor, and Grandville doesn't seem to need one.
Marshal Brass is, well, Marshal of Cap Au Diable.


 

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Aeon is mentioned as being governor of Cap Au Diable, but Efficiency Expert Pither also says that Olivia Darque is the governess of Aeon City. It's either an error in Pither's text (and error like that by his character is very far out of character), or there's a relationship between Olivia and Aeon we don't know about...

There are actually two missions where you rescue her. One from Peter Themari, and one from Efficiency Expert Pither. You don't know much about her, because not much is said about her.

With the Themari mission, she's said to be an assistant to Marshal Brass, and a big player in Cap Au Diable. With Pither's mission, she's supposedly governess. And that's about all we know about her.
With Aeon's track record, it's quite possible he's been demoted by the time your character gets to Grandville. In fact, after doing Brass' arc, it's almost a certainty.


 

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Aeon is mentioned as being governor of Cap Au Diable, but Efficiency Expert Pither also says that Olivia Darque is the governess of Aeon City. It's either an error in Pither's text (and error like that by his character is very far out of character), or there's a relationship between Olivia and Aeon we don't know about...

There are actually two missions where you rescue her. One from Peter Themari, and one from Efficiency Expert Pither. You don't know much about her, because not much is said about her.

With the Themari mission, she's said to be an assistant to Marshal Brass, and a big player in Cap Au Diable. With Pither's mission, she's supposedly governess. And that's about all we know about her.
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With Aeon's track record, it's quite possible he's been demoted by the time your character gets to Grandville. In fact, after doing Brass' arc, it's almost a certainty.
This does make sense too for Pither's arch saving Olivia Darque. If Aeon lost his position of governor due to the PTS problems from Brass' arch, and it was given to Darque, this would infuriate Aeon into tossing Olivia into the Shadow Shard. As it said in the paragonwiki; Aeon tosses people into the Shadow Shard cause he feels like it, so it makes sense that he did it for this reason.


 

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1) There is no canon answer for currrency. But as many US dollars as get stolen and smuggled back to the Etoiles, and given that it's a former US colony, I'd be deeply startled if it wasn't on the dollar standard.

2) No canonical answer. I'd love to know. My guess is that they have at least permanent observer status, like Palestine and Taiwan. They may be recognized as a nation, they may not be.

3) If you go back over the canonical history, there's a loophole big enough to fly a giant robot through, more or less imposed on the world by Statesman when one of his incursions into Russia nearly brought about global nuclear war: the "hot pursuit" rule. Superheroes and their sidekicks (only) are allowed to pursue supervillains (only) across national borders.

Now let's case-by-case it: Mercy: In theory, the Longbow you see in Mercy Island are Miss Liberty's sidekicks, in hot pursuit of supervillains who've escaped from the Zig, like you. Nerva: No issue obtains; Nerva is part of the Rogue Isles chain, but did not secede from US control (or, if you prefer, was not conquered by Lord Recluse) back in the 1960s. It's still a US protectorate. Bloody Bay: the US position is that when Lord Recluse sold Bloody Bay to Malvoccio, that counted as secession; Longbow entered Bloody Bay in "hot pursuit" of Malvoccio and just hasn't left yet. Warburg: has seceeded from the Etoile Islands and has no recognized government at the time; Lord Recluse has made only token efforts to get it back. St. Martial: WHAT? THE? FLAGNOG? This is the one that utterly baffles me; what in the heck are Longbow agents doing sneaking around the northwestern part of St. Martial?

4) No explicit canonical answer, but if you watch how they operate and read the NPC descriptions, it's strongly hinted that the Etoile Islands follows the Italian model: "police" who are barely more than traffic wardens and "carabinieri" (military police) who do the actual police work. Notice also that you almost never see R.I.P. anywhere outside of Darwin's Landing. I'm assuming that they're effectively the Mercy governor's private militia.

5) I submitted this question to Manticore's list of story-bible questions months ago, and really really wish we could get a complete list.

6) Theoretically American superheroes did evacuate the civilians from Bloody Bay; I'm assuming that the ones we see still there are the people who refused to leave.


 

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3) If you go back over the canonical history, there's a loophole big enough to fly a giant robot through, more or less imposed on the world by Statesman when one of his incursions into Russia nearly brought about global nuclear war: the "hot pursuit" rule. Superheroes and their sidekicks (only) are allowed to pursue supervillains (only) across national borders.

Now let's case-by-case it: Mercy: In theory, the Longbow you see in Mercy Island are Miss Liberty's sidekicks, in hot pursuit of supervillains who've escaped from the Zig, like you.
This is a massive stretch. Of course I wouldn't put it past Longbow to try to stretch a loophole like this.

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St. Martial: WHAT? THE? FLAGNOG? This is the one that utterly baffles me; what in the heck are Longbow agents doing sneaking around the northwestern part of St. Martial?
They're attempting to sabotage the economy of a sovereign nation, that's what.

They're also all over the Grandville beaches, and have established countless bases in other parts of the Isles. How does building and staffing a base constitute "hot pursuit?"


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Chasing criminals isn't an act of war
When you cross into another border and try to invoke your laws against theirs it starts something illegal called, deprivation of liberty (I believe).


 

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When you cross into another border and try to invoke your laws against theirs it starts something illegal called, deprivation of liberty (I believe).
Not if their government is illegal, which it is -Recluse took power in a coup.


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Not if their government is illegal, which it is -Recluse took power in a coup.
Ah he is still the gov't though and the UN and Statesman recognizes the Isles as a county. This does happen in RL...but that is much aside from the point and sidetracking.

They are still a recognized Country with a "stable" government leading them, and their laws must be respected. Ms. Liberty does not totally believe in it (like you for this :P), which is starting some international flares of anger due to her stepping over her boundaries.