They offer better raw enhancement amounts than most IOs.
they Ehnace different things.
for example my rad defender can slot 3 tohit/defence debuff/endrec in Rad Infection
Soft capping all 3 properties in just 3 slots. It is impossible to do that with any IO
The other example I use
Follow-up 3 acc/dam 2 tohitbuff/recharge 1 tohitbuff endrec - the equivalent of 12 slotting the power with SO.
http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Enhancem...ncement_Values
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Because they're not split like IOs, they're split like HamiOs. Each one is the same as 2 or 3 full enhancements in the slot. An Acc/Damage IO is giving 33.3% on both Acc and Damage.|
Originally Posted by eryq2
I've played this game for a long time and have never used these on builds. What, if any, are the benefits of using them? I know the %'s are split like IO's but why even bother with Hami's if they do the same thing and they don't offer bonuses?
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They may not have set bonuses, but they are giving full power to two or three attributes.
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First off, i'd like to give thanks to Westley for one of the most informative replies that i've ever read. Now, i can see how you can have time reach 11k posts. I bet all of them offer just as much info, too. It has to be very hard to fully answer questions and sum it all up into one word, but i can see it was easy for you. Congrats!
2nd, that's what i was curious of Cat. That the %'s may be high enough to save a few slots on tight builds. Thanks.
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Originally Posted by eryq2
First off, i'd like to give thanks to Westley for one of the most informative replies that i've ever read. Now, i can see how you can have time reach 11k posts. I bet all of them offer just as much info, too. It has to be very hard to fully answer questions and sum it all up into one word, but i can see it was easy for you. Congrats!
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Ooops, yeah. 2, my bad. Hands cookies to the "big contributer".
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Some of them also offer enhancement combinations that you can't find in any Set IOs, which make them valuable for niche purposes.
Membranes, for example (Tohit/Def/Rech). It's basically the best thing you can slot in Fortitude or Forge. Or Cytoplasms (Tohit/Def/End) in Invincibility. Or Enzymes (ToHitDebuff/DefDebuff/End) in Radiation Infection. Peroxisomes (Dam/Mez) are another, albeit much less useful.
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Membrane goes great in Mind Link as well. With 3 slots you can max out all 3 attributes of the power, including one that's not slottable with standard SOs/IOs.|
Originally Posted by Laevateinn
Some of them also offer enhancement combinations that you can't find in any Set IOs, which make them valuable for niche purposes.
Membranes, for example (Tohit/Def/Rech). It's basically the best thing you can slot in Fortitude or Forge. Or Cytoplasms (Tohit/Def/End) in Invincibility. Or Enzymes (ToHitDebuff/DefDebuff/End) in Radiation Infection. Peroxisomes (Dam/Mez) are another, albeit much less useful. |
Throw 3 Endoplasm Exposures in Lich and giggle madly. You just increased his accuracy, hold duration, immobilize duration, and fear duration. 4 attributes maxed with 3 slots.
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Endoplasms go great in Dark Servant too, for the same reasons.
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Hi Guys,
minor thread jack albeit about Hami rewards!
After completing a Hami raid and getting the reward screen, do you get given a choice of all the Hami O's, or is it a "Select a Hami O and get a random drop" situation?
Just wondering about how long it would take to get the right O's for the build you need them on.
Thanks.
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The reward pop up is:
Merits (IIRC 52 right now)
Random HO
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Also something people should remember about Hami-Os is that they have "features" in them that enable otherwise unboostable attributes to be enhanced. Best example I can think of is slotting Membranes in Active Defense which enhances its Def Debuff Resistance.
Also HOs such as Enzyme (DefDebuff/ToHitDebuff/End) enhance the "counter-attributes". For example, Enzyme enhances Defense by 33% which is markedly higher than anything else in the game and you can get to ED cap of Defense with just two of these. As another example, Microfilament (Travel/End) enhances Slow.
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Hm, i think i need a couple of these. lol. I'll have to check wiki i guess and see which pieces would benefit the build best.
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Very small quibble, it's actually 53. I suspect the 52, which was advertised in the threads where they announced the increase, was one of many rounding errors on merit rewards. (Whether the posting or the in-game values are the error, I couldn't say.)|
Originally Posted by Catwhoorg
The reward pop up is:
Merits (IIRC 52 right now) Random HO |
Either way, it's enough merits that I never, ever take a HO for a Hami raid. While some of them are extremely valuable (either to slot or sell), the odds are heavily weighted to a few that there is glutted supply on, so you're usually trading 53 merits for a Damage/Range or Damage/Mez. If I want a shot at a good HO, I go on an STF/RSF. These days even the STF is a hard sell at ...38?
Blue
American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
Twilit Destiny: 43 MA/DA
Red
Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA
I've played this game for a long time and have never used these on builds. What, if any, are the benefits of using them? I know the %'s are split like IO's but why even bother with Hami's if they do the same thing and they don't offer bonuses?