its time we make a change, calling all buff bots to send a msg to devs
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Posted on: 2009-11-02 14:03 in Archetypes and Powers General Discussion
I'd be all for making the buffs last an hour, 10 minutes, a day, anything reasonably longer than four minutes. Of course, this would have to add new conditions on how these buffs behave because this kind of long durations would add problems.
One problem I can think of: this would make PvP builds much less tight at the lower end, because with 1h durations you could just take the buffs at 47/49 and buff everyone before actually entering the PVP zone and they'd be safe for an hour unless someone took them down.
With added duration I'd suggest that they always vanish when zoning (I'm fully aware that I don't have the slightest clue if this is even possible or how hard it would be to implement it), increased endurance cost and whatever else you can think of.
OR: then you could just give them the MM pet upgrade treatment...
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QoL things like this are always welcome IMO. There are though, as stated vehemently, virulently and venomously, some logistical problems to be worked out. We've added all kinds of elements from other MMO's (loot, rest xp, etc.) so 10-30-60 minute duration buffs as appropriate to the buff would be welcome, I guess?
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No, not really; as said, with the current system, such long-term buffs could be greatly abused. Considering that a single application of well-slotted buffs can make a character virtually invincible already, that's saying something.
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Originally Posted by Brawlnstein
QoL things like this are always welcome IMO. There are though, as stated vehemently, virulently and venomously, some logistical problems to be worked out. We've added all kinds of elements from other MMO's (loot, rest xp, etc.) so 10-30-60 minute duration buffs as appropriate to the buff would be welcome, I guess?
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That's just mean. This idea would get violently murdered in S&I. | There is a suggestions and ideas section of the forums. You should go post this there. |
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I would not welcome them. The fun of buff sets is in using their powers. |
Originally Posted by Brawlnstein
QoL things like this are always welcome IMO. There are though, as stated vehemently, virulently and venomously, some logistical problems to be worked out. We've added all kinds of elements from other MMO's (loot, rest xp, etc.) so 10-30-60 minute duration buffs as appropriate to the buff would be welcome, I guess?
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I want the joy of using Blaze, Fireball, Golden Dragonfly and Ice Storm; all of which involve me choosing when to use them, choosing a target, and pressing a key (or pressing a key and then choosing a target on the ground in the case of Ice Storm).
I want the joy of using Clear Mind, Speed Boost, Deflection Shield and Accelerate Metabolism; all of which involve me choosing when to use them, choosing a target, and pressing a key (or positioning myself in the center of my allies and then pressing a key in the case of AM).
I could see raising some of the current 1 minute duration buffs to 90 seconds or 2 minutes (although the 90 seconds of CM and Antidote are plenty, IMO, 2 minutes might be better for them as well).
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Base buffs. Paragonwiki seems to be down right now, but if you go there and look up "empowerment stations" you'll find what you're looking for. +20% Recharge for an hour is the one I remember, but there are others- I think around 7% Resistance to various types, knockback resistance, things like that.|
Originally Posted by Brawlnstein
QoL things like this are always welcome IMO. There are though, as stated vehemently, virulently and venomously, some logistical problems to be worked out. We've added all kinds of elements from other MMO's (loot, rest xp, etc.) so 10-30-60 minute duration buffs as appropriate to the buff would be welcome, I guess?
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(edit) By the way, in the "give em something, they'll ask for more" category: Clear Mind used to be 30 seconds for the first few years of the game, I think. I know that FF had three bubbles with a 2 minute duration, but that was back in beta.
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Notably, many of those buffs are very weak, and you cannot stack them. 5% resistance to a single damage type for one hour. A defense version would probably be 2.5% Defense, non-stacking.
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Originally Posted by Fulmens
Base buffs. Paragonwiki seems to be down right now, but if you go there and look up "empowerment stations" you'll find what you're looking for. +20% Recharge for an hour is the one I remember, but there are others- I think around 7% Resistance to various types, knockback resistance, things like that.
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How about 5 for 5 (20 min for 48.75); give you a reason to slot these things beyond defense/resistance?
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Originally Posted by Catwhoorg
Would you accept a 15 fold increase in endurance cost per shield for the 15 fold increase in duration ?
That would be a 146.25 base cost per shield btw. (MM is 9.75 currently) |
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I think EQ2 fixed that in a good way. Buffs have long durations (Hell most don't EVER expire, even after death), but you have to be teamed to have them. That wouldn't be a bad tradeoff in my opinion.|
Originally Posted by Steele_Magnolia
I played EQ. In EQ there were long duration buffs. People would stand around in a centrally located area and sell them. It was their biggest contribution... and not needed for teaming at all. I don't think that is the direction COH went or wants to go.
Four minute buff timers and you're complaining? I would love it if all my buffs were four minutes long. Have you ever played an empath or kin which have one minute buffs? My FF'er is easy as pie to play by comparison. Here's a little cheese to go with your... complaint. |
Grant buffs a long, say 10-30 min duration, but in exchange they're group ally only, like grant invis.
I think your objection is the most sound. In fact, I don't think it's a balance issue at all, I think the devs are just trying to avoid having people sell buffs like with EQ or using buff bots that they log on just to give shields for and then log off.
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I agree with my SG partner, and I play several emp/-- also.
I would love to have someone buff my uber Tanks / Scrappers so I wouldn't have to worry about any ingame effects for the durations I am running a TF. Yea sign me up... Not
A longer buff for some powers could be an idea but If it was to be looked at, it should be looked at one power at a time and balanced with the other powersets, and the record for this is nerf the other sets not increase the other powers. YMMV. 
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A more reasonable solution might be to treat the selection of an additional buff as a upgrade.
So in the case of FF selecting Insultation Shield adds those benefits to the existing Deflection Shiled - 2 bubbles in one.
Obviously you would need to double the End per application.
This would halve the buffing.
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I can sympathize with joshz's plight, since one of my favorite characters is my Bot/FF MM. I took a different route though, I don't buff any of my pets aside from the t3. I also tend not to buff all my teammates since it is an unusual team where everyone constantly needs all the protection I can provide. Were I to try and buff everything and everyone, I think I'd just log off too.
That being said, this discussion isn't going anywhere nice, so I'll head it off at the pass.
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I played EQ. In EQ there were long duration buffs. People would stand around in a centrally located area and sell them. It was their biggest contribution... and not needed for teaming at all. I don't think that is the direction COH went or wants to go.
Four minute buff timers and you're complaining? I would love it if all my buffs were four minutes long. Have you ever played an empath or kin which have one minute buffs? My FF'er is easy as pie to play by comparison. Here's a little cheese to go with your... complaint.
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