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First, and to re-iterate my comments in other threads, a hearty CONGRATULATIONS to *every* winner in the First Annual MA Awards. The variety of winners shown, and the fact that not all arcs were five star popular, shows that there are as many opinions out there as there are noses, and good stories aren't all dictated by the number of runs an arc has.

That said, am I the only person that submitted an arc that's really curious about what went on behind the scenes? For instance, there were several technical aspects to the submissions -- making certain certain files were submitted, for example. Were arcs immediately rejected because a file was missed, or files weren't sent in directories? Were close contests won simply because the images a person submitted were bigger or crisper than others? What was the elimination process for arcs that weren't rejected on technicalities, and what was the voting process.

I doubt we'll get answers -- and I'm not trying to sound critical if we don't -- but I can't help wondering if my arcs, or other quite capable arcs, didn't even make it to the starting gate because of a technicality, even though the authors did their best to comply with the submission process as they understood it.

Really, this isn't sour grapes. As an author who's arc didn't make the cut, I'm simply very curious. Anyone else?


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I was actually kind of hoping for a bit of description of why each arc was chosen to win in each category - though it's possible they might have done this at the banquet when they announced them (Remember that our information on the winners was just what people who were present posted - so they might have just posted the winners and left out the discussion because hey! Way too much typing for a cell phone). I think that kind of information would be helpful to everyone, because like Dr. Aeon's "I'm going to run one random arc and review it" thread, it shows us what the professionals look for in terms of quality.


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Well to assuage one of your questions, I can tell you that sending your files all together rather than in their seperate directories didn't disqualify you outright, because I didn't include directories in my submissions.


 

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That said, am I the only person that submitted an arc that's really curious about what went on behind the scenes? For instance, there were several technical aspects to the submissions -- making certain certain files were submitted, for example. Were arcs immediately rejected because a file was missed, or files weren't sent in directories?
Especially as most of the files were redundant. Any info that was in critter and cvg files were all included in the storyarc file itself. That one file and the screenshots were all that they needed.

It was annoying as I use custom villain groups mostly for organization on the backend, a single critter from a group might be used in an arc but their rules implied that they wanted ALL the files, including critters who were not actually used in the arc but are attached to that group. Heck, I wonder if a few submissions got disqualified for submitting too many files.

And I don't see where this directories question keeps coming from. The rules specified FILES, not DIRECTORIES. Was that a rumor just started by someone who is probably too computer illiterate to even make their submissions properly?


 

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Agreed on all points. As for myself, I'm sad, but I'm not bitter. When I get around to playing Sabrina's Tale, I will definitely be playing it with an extra critical eye. And I would very much like to hear the reasoning for why the devs chose what they chose over what they didn't. And hopefully it's not something along the lines of "these people are prominent in the forums, so they already have a lot going for them."


 

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And I don't see where this directories question keeps coming from. The rules specified FILES, not DIRECTORIES. Was that a rumor just started by someone who is probably too computer illiterate to even make their submissions properly?
As someone who has put their time in at the help desk, I can tell you files versus directories is a distinction most people don't grasp, and the writer of the rules may not have either. Heck you're hard pressed to find people who don't call them FOLDERS or who know what a file structure is.


 

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As someone who has put their time in at the help desk, I can tell you files versus directories is a distinction most people don't grasp, and the writer of the rules may not have either. Heck you're hard pressed to find people who don't call them FOLDERS or who know what a file structure is.
Apparently I've only worked in the few places were users were not utter idiots.


 

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Apparently I've only worked in the few places were users were not utter idiots.
Well then my friend, best not take any prescription drugs anytime soon then. Don't want to take anything the idiots are R&Ding, right?


 

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Well then my friend, best not take any prescription drugs anytime soon then. Don't want to take anything the idiots are R&Ding, right?
I work in a Pharmacy College.


 

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Agreed on all points. As for myself, I'm sad, but I'm not bitter. When I get around to playing Sabrina's Tale, I will definitely be playing it with an extra critical eye. And I would very much like to hear the reasoning for why the devs chose what they chose over what they didn't. And hopefully it's not something along the lines of "these people are prominent in the forums, so they already have a lot going for them."
Considering that two of the winners have Dev's Choice arcs, and you can't turn around in this forum without running into another "Blight" mention, I doubt it.


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I work in a Pharmacy College.
Well then I hope it's not contagious then. Don't want to catch anything nasty from Abbott Laboratories, Novartis, or Sanofi-aventis, do we?

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Considering that two of the winners have Dev's Choice arcs, and you can't turn around in this forum without running into another "Blight" mention, I doubt it.
I would point out I got nominated twice and I don't think I'm particularly prevalent on these forums.


 

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I would absolutely love an explanation, too. Especially since at least one of the arcs (I haven't played all of them) breaks rules that are in the "How to make dev's choice" thread. I'm just not sure how that works.


 

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Agreed on all points. As for myself, I'm sad, but I'm not bitter. When I get around to playing Sabrina's Tale, I will definitely be playing it with an extra critical eye. And I would very much like to hear the reasoning for why the devs chose what they chose over what they didn't. And hopefully it's not something along the lines of "these people are prominent in the forums, so they already have a lot going for them."
I feel pretty much the same as Bubba, disappointed I did not win, but not bitter. I was surprised that the Arc of the Year was taken from a category and not stand alone set of nominations as I thought it would be.

I am still hoping they Dev's Choice all the nominees too since they are all technically selected by the Devs. Well I can dream, can't I?

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I feel pretty much the same as Bubba, disappointed I did not win, but not bitter. I was surprised that the Arc of the Year was taken from a category and not stand alone set of nominations as I thought it would be.

I am still hoping they Dev's Choice all the nominees too since they are all technically selected by the Devs. Well I can dream, can't I?

WN
Actually Aeon did say he would use the submissions as a pool to draw from for DCs, and I'm assuming the nominees would probably be the first ones he'd take a look at.

So that doesn't GUARANTEE Dev's Choice but I'd say it offers a pretty good shot at it.


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Anything that streamlines the process is a good thing, DC has been such a disappointment in how rarely arcs get added to the list.


 

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Actually Aeon did say he would use the submissions as a pool to draw from for DCs, and I'm assuming the nominees would probably be the first ones he'd take a look at.

So that doesn't GUARANTEE Dev's Choice but I'd say it offers a pretty good shot at it.
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Agreed on all points. As for myself, I'm sad, but I'm not bitter. When I get around to playing Sabrina's Tale, I will definitely be playing it with an extra critical eye. And I would very much like to hear the reasoning for why the devs chose what they chose over what they didn't. And hopefully it's not something along the lines of "these people are prominent in the forums, so they already have a lot going for them."
I am definately not extremely well known in the forums (I think I'm a bit under 900 posts) and I am a bit of a rabble-rouser around here. I also lack any Dev's Choice Arcs so I've been flying a wee bit under the radar, it seems.

I would like to know some of the thinking behind the nomination process as well as selection of the winners. Like many others, I think it would be helpful to know what the Devs are looking at. On the other hand, I like to think that we're writing for ourselves and the other players, not to win developer approval (I know, I know, easy for me to say at this point). It would also be interesting if someone had videoed the Awards and posted it just to see if they made any comment on the winners, but I am unsure if anyone did so.

I would also like to see every nominee given Dev's Choice. The fact they were nominated means they were chosen by the devs.

I could make some guesses why Sabrina's Tale won, but they would be just that, guesses, without a developer making some sort of comment.


 

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And hopefully it's not something along the lines of "these people are prominent in the forums, so they already have a lot going for them."
I'm not sure what you mean as most of the winners are not big forum names by a longshot and even the few who are forum names haven't been very active at all in the MA sections.

Maybe you meant that some people were not picked because they were already well known?


 

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I'd kind of doubt the devs had any sort of list-able criteria they could tell us about. I'm guessing they just sat down and fired up the arcs and then wrote down how they felt about it afterward, noting the obvious errors (grammar, etc) that might disqualify them. Other than that, we were all prey to their very personal and subject feelings at the time they played them. If RednameX had an upset stomach the day he played your arc, then it might not go so well for you.

You know, the way it always goes for arc ratings.


 

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a) It was clearly stated IIRC that the Arc of the Year would be chosen from the winners of the other categories minus Best Faction.

b) If the devs have two brain cells to rub together, they will walk away from this without a word. Absolutely nothing good will come from explicating the process.


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a) It was clearly stated IIRC that the Arc of the Year would be chosen from the winners of the other categories minus Best Faction.

b) If the devs have two brain cells to rub together, they will walk away from this without a word. Absolutely nothing good will come from explicating the process.
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6. Arc of the Year: This final, and pinnacle award, will be selected from all of the submitted arcs for the other five categories.
Says nothing about from the winners of the other five categories.

(and as much as it seems like I'm being a stickler for the rules, it really doesn't have anything to do with me not winning. At this point, I'm mostly over it)


 

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b) If the devs have two brain cells to rub together, they will walk away from this without a word. Absolutely nothing good will come from explicating the process.
Nothing good will come of them not explaining themselves either. They chose some controversial arcs with niche appeal. If they wanted to avoid the ****storm that inevitably follows such a decision, they would have chosen differently.


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a) It was clearly stated IIRC that the Arc of the Year would be chosen from the winners of the other categories minus Best Faction.
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6. Arc of the Year: This final, and pinnacle award, will be selected from all of the submitted arcs for the other five categories.
Actually, by all accounts of friends who were actually at Herocon, they actually made a mention that best faction was one of the most important categories to the devs, so go figure.


 

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I don't even care who won the thing as long as all the nominees get their respective arcs promoted to Dev Choice. That's the real prize and they all seem worthy of it.