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This is entirely a guess, but.... I am operating under the assumption that if/when they have the Second Annual Awards, there will be a "creation cutoff" time and that that time period will start with "created after October 12th 2009" or something similar and nothing created before that date will be eligible in order to stop resubmission of not only nominees and winners but also all previous entries in order to get a "fresh crop" of arcs for that year.
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Originally Posted by Coulomb2
I agree completely - in fact, in my original post, this was the primary reason I stated wanting to see which arcs were "just shy" of nomination too. If I've got an arc that I've already been thinking of several ways the arc could be improved, and I also know the arc just narrowly missed being a nominee, then I really *would* seriously consider re-submitting it in 2010. On the other hand, if the arc wasn't "just shy", sure I might still make the improvement, but the odds are I wouldn't re-submit it unless I just flat out didn't have anything to submit that I felt was better and (as a result) I was willing to bank on the slim chance the 2010 entrees were more anemic than the 2009 ones.
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Arcs that are more than 5 missions are common on the blueside, and to be honest most of them are way too long. 5 missions is about the point where I just want the story to wrap up already so I can move to something else, especially in MA since I cannot "pause" and arc and go play another one for a bit.|
Originally Posted by Dalghryn
I certainly think that multi-arcs in the MA may be victims of their creators ambition when it comes to contests and Dev's Choices. I find that a little funny concerning the vast majority of CoH content arcs run more than five missions and there are many multi-arcs in the game.
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I prefer redside arcs because they're more compact and don't waste time on redundant nonsense missions like "go check out 3 labs with 1 computer each (in 3 different zones)" instead of "1 lab with 3 computers".
In keeping with my NOT Sour Grapes, but I'm really curious theme... has everyone noticed that the winners of the 2009 MA Awards were made into regular Dev's Choices?
I have to admit to a little disappointment in this decision. I mean, if they can make new icons for Guest Writers, I kind of thought they could make one for contest award winners. Had they done so, then they could have immediately given the runners up Dev's Choice, or even created a MA Award Runner up Icon and listed them below the winners. After all, the winners would still have the leg up in prizes.
Then they could have started giving arcs that almost made the cut Dev's Choices, thereby spreading the wealth a bit and adding incentive for future award submissions. It just seems like another lost opportunity to promote MA activity.
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They didn't technically make a new icon for Guest Author. It's been there since i14 beta. Several of the Dev's Arcs were under the Guest Author icon. I think (hope) what they are doing is giving the winners dev choice over the nominees for a certain period of time, then awarding the nominees either all at once, or one at a time with their own posts, like they've been doing. If they keep a regular pace on the Dev Choice forum posts, I would expect to start seeing some of the nominees show up before too long.
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Originally Posted by Dalghryn
In keeping with my NOT Sour Grapes, but I'm really curious theme... has everyone noticed that the winners of the 2009 MA Awards were made into regular Dev's Choices?
I have to admit to a little disappointment in this decision. I mean, if they can make new icons for Guest Writers, I kind of thought they could make one for contest award winners. Had they done so, then they could have immediately given the runners up Dev's Choice, or even created a MA Award Runner up Icon and listed them below the winners. After all, the winners would still have the leg up in prizes. Then they could have started giving arcs that almost made the cut Dev's Choices, thereby spreading the wealth a bit and adding incentive for future award submissions. It just seems like another lost opportunity to promote MA activity. |
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I agree with this final statement completely. As it stands now, the fact that an arc was a nominee is virtually meaningless. The arcs don't get moved closer to the top of the list and are effectively banished to obscurity as a result. At this point I would have prefered to see the winners not having received dev's choice because, given their very generous RL prizes, it seems that adding the dev's choice on top of those is the equivalent of kicking the nominated player's when they are down. This basically has the effect of, yet again, devaluing the whole dev's choice concept. |
Originally Posted by Dalghryn
Then they could have started giving arcs that almost made the cut Dev's Choices, thereby spreading the wealth a bit and adding incentive for future award submissions. It just seems like another lost opportunity to promote MA activity.
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Fortunately, we do have something better in the MA player's choice awards. Since these are awards that were initiated by and are being selected by the players, they will have considerably greater value to me personally. In fact, the one thing that has been much better with these awards is the delay between the nomination and final selection process. This is obviously for the practical need of giving people time to play the arcs to be able to vote on them. This gives the nominees considerably more time in the limelight as well as getting more plays for them. Getting arcs more plays does not only drawing more attention, it draws exactly the sort of attention (getting the arcs played) that you want MA to be receiving.
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Agreed, the nominees are already being forgotten in general. The Devs didn't even put an announcement here in the MA forum itself listing them, it won't be long before that list gets buried deep in the Announcements forum. Right now nomination doesn't even have a consolation prize.|
Originally Posted by Jail_Bird
I agree with this final statement completely. As it stands now, the fact that an arc was a nominee is virtually meaningless.
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If they're going to tease the nominees with possible DC status then I hope they do it in a timely matter and not take weeks, if not months, to do so.
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Playing devil's advocate here, but announcements are pretty much never cross posted into other sections of the forum. Most of the nominees are also in the player's choice awards, meaning that they're not exactly hurting for publicity. Lastly, there's no consolation prize at awards ceremonies like the Oscars.|
Originally Posted by Lazarus
Agreed, the nominees are already being forgotten in general. The Devs didn't even put an announcement here in the MA forum itself listing them, it won't be long before that list gets buried deep in the Announcements forum. Right now nomination doesn't even have a consolation prize.
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If anyone wants to know the nominees, the list was posted right here just a week ago: http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=196272
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If this was like the Oscars then one arc would have won at least 3 of the categories.
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Originally Posted by LaserJesus
Lastly, there's no consolation prize at awards ceremonies like the Oscars.
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One did win 2, and the Oscars also has a lot more than 6 categories.
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Originally Posted by Lazarus
If this was like the Oscars then one arc would have won at least 3 of the categories.
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Originally Posted by LaserJesus
Most of the nominees are also in the player's choice awards,
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The Oscars are also a major televised event. Besides, the main page still has the nominees as the second news item. It's been up for exactly one week. Anyone who cares about MA can find out the nominees quite easily.
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Originally Posted by LaserJesus
The Oscars are also a major televised event. Besides, the main page still has the nominees as the second news item. It's been up for exactly one week. Anyone who cares about MA can find out the nominees quite easily.
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I have for quite a awhile now stopped actively promoting my arcs or even asking for reviews of them (Blappy being the exception since it has been recently reviewed).
During the week before Death to Disco! was nominated it received 0 plays/ratings. After the nominations were announced and before the winners were selected (Thursday - Saturday) it received 1 play/rating. Since the winners were announced it has gotten 0 plays/ratings.
WN
Check out one of my most recent arcs:
457506 - A Very Special Episode - An abandoned TV, a missing kid's TV show host and more
416951 - The Ms. Manners Task Force - More wacky villains, Wannabes. things in poor taste
or one of my other arcs including two 2010 Player's Choice Winners and an2009 Official AE Awards Nominee for Best Original Story
Aye. I expect the Devs wanted everyone's files so they could load the arcs up on a dedicated server in a little room with lockable cubicles and a pizza-sized slot in the door. They would have had to get through a huge amount of material, and they only have one Dr. Aeon. Or maybe there's quite a few Dr. Aeons. But he might still only have one opinion. Anyway, that would explain not leaving votes on the live servers.
But I'm just conjecturing wildly, and probably should be shot.
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Just thought I would chime in here and say that my own experiences have mirrored this, though the plays after the nomination are a tad higher than that. I'm not terribly disappointed, however, as I pretty much make each arc expecting it to be lost among all the other arcs and never get more than a few plays, so every play one of my arcs gets is just icing on the cake. |
Originally Posted by Wrong_Number
I hesitate to comment on this since Death to Disco! was a nominee, so I will just stick to the facts.
I have for quite a awhile now stopped actively promoting my arcs or even asking for reviews of them (Blappy being the exception since it has been recently reviewed). During the week before Death to Disco! was nominated it received 0 plays/ratings. After the nominations were announced and before the winners were selected (Thursday - Saturday) it received 1 play/rating. Since the winners were announced it has gotten 0 plays/ratings. WN |
I'd really love love love a Dev's Choice, but I'm not about to hold my breath for it. n.n;
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Just out of curiosity, how has the Player Awards impacted the plays on your two arcs nominated there? (Blap, Blap, Blappy Day, and Poor Taste)?
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Originally Posted by Wrong_Number
I hesitate to comment on this since Death to Disco! was a nominee, so I will just stick to the facts.
I have for quite a awhile now stopped actively promoting my arcs or even asking for reviews of them (Blappy being the exception since it has been recently reviewed). During the week before Death to Disco! was nominated it received 0 plays/ratings. After the nominations were announced and before the winners were selected (Thursday - Saturday) it received 1 play/rating. Since the winners were announced it has gotten 0 plays/ratings. WN |
I think I gained about a dozen extra plays for Teen Phalanx Forever! as a result of the Architect Awards nomination, which was really nice. I admittedly had a couple advantages over the other nominees; Teen Phalanx was first on the list, and is also listed pretty high on the default Architect Entertainment search, both of which probably make it a little easier for a casual MA player to find.
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I've gotten a few more plays on Astoria in D Minor, but I think most of those were because of the player's choice nomination rather than the official one.
Though it's entirely possible people are playing and not rating. I wish there was some way to tell that.
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I received a dozen new plays on MacGuffin Delivery Service but not a single comment, and since my nominations in both contests were announced on the same day I cannot tell which affected it more. All I know is that once the official contest was over that arc stopped receiving new ratings.
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Originally Posted by PoliceWoman
I think I gained about a dozen extra plays for Teen Phalanx Forever! as a result of the Architect Awards nomination, which was really nice. I admittedly had a couple advantages over the other nominees; Teen Phalanx was first on the list, and is also listed pretty high on the default Architect Entertainment search, both of which probably make it a little easier for a casual MA player to find.
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Check out one of my most recent arcs:
457506 - A Very Special Episode - An abandoned TV, a missing kid's TV show host and more
416951 - The Ms. Manners Task Force - More wacky villains, Wannabes. things in poor taste
or one of my other arcs including two 2010 Player's Choice Winners and an2009 Official AE Awards Nominee for Best Original Story
You also have to take into consideration that all of those arcs (Death to Disco, Teen Phalanx, MacGuffin and Astoria in D Minor) have been around since the early days of MA, have been highly publicized, and already had hundreds of plays. Many of us have already played them.
It would be interesting to see what the official contest and the player contest did for arcs with few plays.
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Originally Posted by Lazarus
I received a dozen new plays on MacGuffin Delivery Service but not a single comment, and since my nominations in both contests were announced on the same day I cannot tell which affected it more. All I know is that once the official contest was over that arc stopped receiving new ratings.
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Right. Ironically, Death to Disco! was not a PC Awards nominee so my data is as pure as you can get with what we have available. I do think the PW might have gotten a few plays from being at the top of the list. I got a max of 1 play since that is the total I have gotten since the nominations were announced last Thursday.
To answer Bubba's question, Both of my arcs in the Players Choice have gotten plays/ratings. I think Blappy has had around 7 or 8 and Poor Taste 3-4. Though Poor Taste's Category is way lower on the list so I am betting many have yet to get to it.
WN
Check out one of my most recent arcs:
457506 - A Very Special Episode - An abandoned TV, a missing kid's TV show host and more
416951 - The Ms. Manners Task Force - More wacky villains, Wannabes. things in poor taste
or one of my other arcs including two 2010 Player's Choice Winners and an2009 Official AE Awards Nominee for Best Original Story
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Mercytown was a relatively unknown arc, at least outside of the EU community. I think I may have gotten a dozen new plays since having it nominated for player's choice.|
Originally Posted by Eva Destruction
You also have to take into consideration that all of those arcs (Death to Disco, Teen Phalanx, MacGuffin and Astoria in D Minor) have been around since the early days of MA, have been highly publicized, and already had hundreds of plays. Many of us have already played them.
It would be interesting to see what the official contest and the player contest did for arcs with few plays. |
Edit: I've also received a few more comments, which I am especially happy with.
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Originally Posted by Eva Destruction
You also have to take into consideration that all of those arcs (Death to Disco, Teen Phalanx, MacGuffin and Astoria in D Minor) have been around since the early days of MA, have been highly publicized, and already had hundreds of plays. Many of us have already played them.
It would be interesting to see what the official contest and the player contest did for arcs with few plays. |
That is an excellent point.
WN
Check out one of my most recent arcs:
457506 - A Very Special Episode - An abandoned TV, a missing kid's TV show host and more
416951 - The Ms. Manners Task Force - More wacky villains, Wannabes. things in poor taste
or one of my other arcs including two 2010 Player's Choice Winners and an2009 Official AE Awards Nominee for Best Original Story
It's odd watching what everyone that's been nominated for both awards is saying. I think the comment re. several of the arcs having been around awhile has merit. CoW I has had about 11 plays since it was nominated for the Players Choice Award. CoW II has only had four. That would lead me to think that seven were simply because it's a fairly new addition to the second page of MA arcs, whereas the other four are PC Award checker-outers... but I may be completely wrong.
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