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Originally Posted by MindRipper
The impression I got from my talk was that the Devs have not even put that much thought in how they are going to handle this issue yet.
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Ocho laughed and said it wasn't likely to ever happen.
Matt shook a fist at me and exclaimed it would never happen. He shook his head, closed his eyes and repeated it several times as if seeing the horror of a merged market.
Sorry, 'goat.
"I do it better than anybody you've ever seen do it.
The screams from the haters, it's got a nice ring to it.
I guess every super hero needs his theme music .."
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"Inf isn't money" is not so bad when you look at the names of enhancements. At least the IO names are a bit surreal, but look at the SOs... My katana works better because I've strapped grenades to it??|
Originally Posted by Nethergoat
The whole "inf isn't munny!" pretense drives me nuts.
Keep your RP out of game mechanics, peoples! I mean, they can call it whatever they want- influence/infamy is as good as anything else. But please dump the posturing about how it isn't currency, it's reputation. r/e GR, I expect we'll have some sort of bar to fill with bad deeds or good deeds to get to the 'other side'. the tagging of missions as 'heroic' or 'villainous' seems to support this approach. And they may as well officially merge the markets, because the minute GR goes live players will start working on the most efficient way to ferry goods back and forth. |
My (new) prediction: they won't merge the markets, but you can take your inf and stuff to the other side. Rogues will only be able to trade with other Rogues. Assuming it takes some time to switch sides (e.g. one night's play or more), this will mean high end items will normalise in price a bit, but most stuff will maintain a price and supply disparity.
Why do I think this? Because it will require the least programming. I think the devs care more about the distribution of loot between factions, more than the distribution of inf. I highly doubt they would strip a character of his enhancements when he changes sides, so I therefore doubt they'll freeze your inf when you change sides. If the baby has been thrown out, they may as well toss out the bathwater too.
Some players will make a motza from switching sides and respeccing stuff out for sale, but most players won't bother.
I suppose GR might push up the respec recipe price, though. Even a small number of players flip-flop-speccing will chew up the supply of respec recipes.
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Well, it would work better. Kinda. If you're willing to really think outside the box on how to use it...
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Originally Posted by COTCaveHater
At least the IO names are a bit surreal, but look at the SOs... My katana works better because I've strapped grenades to it??
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Blue
American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
Twilit Destiny: 43 MA/DA
Red
Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA
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Everything works better with a couple of grenades strapped to it.
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Originally Posted by COTCaveHater
"Inf isn't money" is not so bad when you look at the names of enhancements. At least the IO names are a bit surreal, but look at the SOs... My katana works better because I've strapped grenades to it??
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@Catwhoorg "Rule of Three - Finale" Arc# 1984
@Mr Falkland Islands"A Nation Goes Rogue" Arc# 2369 "Toasters and Pop Tarts" Arc#116617
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I think your prediction is pretty reasonable. I would have hoped they would have thrown out the bath basin of split markets when they tossed the baby, but I'll likely be one of the people riding the grey line. I suspect that means I'll benefit if your prediction is correct. I'm not going to complain.
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Originally Posted by COTCaveHater
Some players will make a motza from switching sides and respeccing stuff out for sale, but most players won't bother.
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Blue
American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
Twilit Destiny: 43 MA/DA
Red
Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA
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Originally Posted by Catwhoorg
Everything works better with a couple of grenades strapped to it.
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total kick to the gut
This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.
I also asked Matt at CCI about merging the markets, and he said it couldn't be done because influence and infamy are 2 different objects in the database. I don't know why a conversion to one type or the other couldn't be done, but that was the reply. He said that also meant that there will not be a new currency for Going Rogue.
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You know, what if gray means you earn half of each?
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Originally Posted by Silurian
I also asked Matt at CCI about merging the markets, and he said it couldn't be done because influence and infamy are 2 different objects in the database. I don't know why a conversion to one type or the other couldn't be done, but that was the reply. He said that also meant that there will not be a new currency for Going Rogue.
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total kick to the gut
This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.
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You are so getting a good rep shot in about 23 hrs, 30ish minutes.
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Originally Posted by UberGuy
Statesman Decries Praetorian "Tax Havens"
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Explorer: 93%. Achiever: 40%. Socializer: 40%. Killer 33%.
Current Heroes and Villains (altitis holding at 50 currents)
To all the devs, past, present, (and may there be) future: /salute
To NCSoft: Understand that you reap what you plant, and you cannot gain what you throw away.
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That's pretty interesting, as it seems to fly in the face of stuff we've been told about rewards in the past. I am pretty sure we were told they were the same thing with different labels.
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Originally Posted by Silurian
I also asked Matt at CCI about merging the markets, and he said it couldn't be done because influence and infamy are 2 different objects in the database. I don't know why a conversion to one type or the other couldn't be done, but that was the reply. He said that also meant that there will not be a new currency for Going Rogue.
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Blue
American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
Twilit Destiny: 43 MA/DA
Red
Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA
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Indeed, I can't imagine why they would need to be different if they are mutually exclusive, especially in situations like co-op teams, where inf drops for both factions equally.
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Originally Posted by UberGuy
That's pretty interesting, as it seems to fly in the face of stuff we've been told about rewards in the past. I am pretty sure we were told they were the same thing with different labels.
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Hmm, and what would happen in SG mode? I assume your SG affiliation goes out the window when you switch anyway.
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Originally Posted by SwellGuy
You know, what if gray means you earn half of each?
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I would expect if you are going the other way until you complete the cross you should still get to stay in your SG but if gray characters can form SGs, and I would think they could, that may be the best SG to be in since you would earn prestige everywhere.|
Originally Posted by Silurian
Hmm, and what would happen in SG mode? I assume your SG affiliation goes out the window when you switch anyway.
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Lots of stuff the devs have to figure out and perhaps that means about 2-3 months in beta.
Perhaps they will take tips from other games which have this kind of ability. Does anyone know what WoW can do?
total kick to the gut
This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.
I know what WoW can do.
But, it would get censored.
"I do it better than anybody you've ever seen do it.
The screams from the haters, it's got a nice ring to it.
I guess every super hero needs his theme music .."
Further during the early (closed may have reached open) testing of level pacts, villains would earn xx experience and yy influence from their pact.
Could have been a text string error, or a sign that they point to the same database field.
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@Mr Falkland Islands"A Nation Goes Rogue" Arc# 2369 "Toasters and Pop Tarts" Arc#116617
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Originally Posted by The_Bronx
I know what WoW can do.
But, it would get censored. |
I just meant how they handle the factions and if people can cross over but your answer is win.
total kick to the gut
This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.
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Not sure why a conversion couldn't happen either. If they must keep the markets separate then they should give the option to access either Whentworth or the Black Market when ever you go to either market. Via a choice button.|
Originally Posted by Silurian
I also asked Matt at CCI about merging the markets, and he said it couldn't be done because influence and infamy are 2 different objects in the database. I don't know why a conversion to one type or the other couldn't be done, but that was the reply. He said that also meant that there will not be a new currency for Going Rogue.
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Then put a infamy/influence conversion NPC near by.
~MR
AE Arc: 305214 Blood Diamonds (Villainous)
Unleashed/Unchained/B.O.S.S.
One more thing they can do is to just lock up the markets. That is, if you've started as a hero, the "black market" you're using after going rogue would be actually WW and vice versa. So are "trade with the enemy" restrictions.
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WoW does have faction changes but it's not an ingame function you have to pay real money for it (similarly to a server transfer). WoW seems to have put a lot of effort into it since everything gets switched to what it would have been if you'd rolled that faction from the start. In addition to changing your race everything, your flight paths, mounts, faction reputation etc gets changed to the equivalent for your new faction.
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Originally Posted by SwellGuy
ha!
I just meant how they handle the factions and if people can cross over but your answer is win. |
Actually, if they go down the 'third faction' route (ie. rogues have separate currency, markets etc), what will they call Rogue's inf? Anyone know a third synonym for reputation that starts with "inf"?
My reputation is low at the moment because I offered millions of it to get 10 recipes, and then get somebody else's reputation in return.
But some ofnthat has to go to the auction fee, since their infrastructure runs on reputation energies.
I also managed to infuse several hundred points of my reputation in various inventions.
A game is not supposed to be some kind of... place where people enjoy themselves!
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Synonym?|
Originally Posted by COTCaveHater
Actually, if they go down the 'third faction' route (ie. rogues have separate currency, markets etc), what will they call Rogue's inf? Anyone know a third synonym for reputation that starts with "inf"?
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No.
But... how about, oh... inflection, informal, import, hegemony?
Explorer: 93%. Achiever: 40%. Socializer: 40%. Killer 33%.
Current Heroes and Villains (altitis holding at 50 currents)
To all the devs, past, present, (and may there be) future: /salute
To NCSoft: Understand that you reap what you plant, and you cannot gain what you throw away.
How about inference?
Being a "grey currency" - that would work, you're not influential or infamous, per se - But people could infer that you might be... due to rogue-ish acts they think you're possibly (or probably) responsible for.
Plus (IMO) it sounds funny
Try it, I dare ya...
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
City of Heroes didn't fail, City of Heroes was killed. If a 747 dropped on your house, you'd say you were killed, not you failed to find a safer dwelling.
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Information.... Their grey market economy is based on Blackmail and info brokering.|
Originally Posted by COTCaveHater
Actually, if they go down the 'third faction' route (ie. rogues have separate currency, markets etc), what will they call Rogue's inf? Anyone know a third synonym for reputation that starts with "inf"?
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And instead of Reward Merits, you get Demerits for TF/SFs because the goverment, which sent you on the TF/SF publiclly disavows what you did and calls you a rat for it, but secretly keeps track of how well you did for them on the sly. Naturally, Demerits can't be traded or sold and have nothing to do with Merits except performign the same function.
Option 1) Take bad guy to jail, earn influence
Option 2) Take parts of bad guy to jail, earn infamy