NO!
i keeed...i keed because i luv...
My PvP advice: go into zones with and against people you know and (at least kinda) like. Go into zones with the understanding that you will be getting killed and may or may not be doing any killing. Go in with a buffer for a good taste of zone life without too much new gameplay responsibility. Go into zones understanding that there will be some d-bags in there either bragging or whining in broadcast. ignore it if you can. disable enemy chat if you cannot. You can tweak your build then, but being able to PvP is 99% attitude (I don;t mean 'tude, I mean that you can tolerate the good- and not-so-good-natured harrasment and the sheer tardery that happens in zones and often in the arena. Settle for "enjoying" rather than "being good at" PvP, and you'll be fine.
@Ba'alat/@Zizka
"Plausibility is nothing compared to nerdrage." --PumBumbler
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You better know them pretty well. I've been attacked when running around by a group of people I thought were decent folk in pve and the channels, but they had no problems just spiking me repeatedly for the heck of it. Some would call it griefing since they got no rep for it and just decided to pick on me since I was solo, but you can always make a decision to just leave the zone.|
Originally Posted by Baalat
NO!
i keeed...i keed because i luv... My PvP advice: go into zones with and against people you know and (at least kinda) like. Go into zones with the understanding that you will be getting killed and may or may not be doing any killing. Go in with a buffer for a good taste of zone life without too much new gameplay responsibility. Go into zones understanding that there will be some d-bags in there either bragging or whining in broadcast. ignore it if you can. disable enemy chat if you cannot. You can tweak your build then, but being able to PvP is 99% attitude (I don;t mean 'tude, I mean that you can tolerate the good- and not-so-good-natured harrasment and the sheer tardery that happens in zones and often in the arena. Settle for "enjoying" rather than "being good at" PvP, and you'll be fine. |
Just be prepared to see some asinine behaviour from people simply because they can get away with it.
If I PvP it will be with the intention to win.
I will have fun whether I win or lose.
I will do everything possible, including making a specific build, to increase my chances of winning.
Baa, Pum, <3, but I just wanted build critiques.
This was made on Mac's and Con's advice, full disclosure.
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A most excellent attitude. Good luck, Ralen.
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Originally Posted by Sir_Ralen
If I PvP it will be with the intention to win.
I will have fun whether I win or lose. I will do everything possible, including making a specific build, to increase my chances of winning. Baa, Pum, <3, but I just wanted build critiques. This was made on Mac's and Con's advice, full disclosure. |
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who the hell are you?
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Originally Posted by SmokeSignal
A most excellent attitude. Good luck, Ralen.
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@Ba'alat/@Zizka
"Plausibility is nothing compared to nerdrage." --PumBumbler
Pretty sure I'm me. But I'll double check for you.
"His Imperial Majesty's Minister of Restraints and Leather" -LHF
Two naughty acronym teams / Ascension / Convenient / Artic and the Chillz / Fap / Other teams I can't remember (sorry.. mind is goin')
Someday, someone will comment on my build.
Edit: OH! And there are four unused slots, I couldn't figure out where to put them! Advice on that would be good!
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Originally Posted by Sir_Ralen
Someday, someone will comment on my build.
Edit: OH! And there are four unused slots, I couldn't figure out where to put them! Advice on that would be good! |
* I'd take Hurdle over Swift since Lightning Reflexes already covers your +run and none of that really matters when you're suppressed anyways.
* Found a home for your 4 extra slots: 1 went into Stamina and changed the slotting from what you had to the endmod, endmod/acc, endmod/rech, and +end proc (all from the Performance Shifter set). Added a slot each to SS and SJ and stuck a level 50 endredux IO in each. Added a slot to Jab and put a second damage proc in (Mako in this case).
* You don't really need the stealth IO in Sprint, as stealth's not terribly important in PvP unless you're a Stalker or a VEAT (squishies will often have one or two layers of stealth but that's more for escape than anything IMO).
Other than that, looks like a solid build. As long as you're on the ground there shouldn't be much to worry about in regards to knockback. Get the passive accolades and Demonic if you haven't already (especially the +HP ones, they go a long way in helping your survivability). No time better than now to get them either, with the badge changes in I16.
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Thanks mac, those slots were driving me up the wall.
I think the stealth IO was more of a 'why not?' situation than anything, that's why I put it in sprint and not SS.
Badge changes? I know some missions you can run a lot easier now with the -1 change, I don't know what you mean by badge changes.
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Changed/reduced requirements with I16 help with getting accolade(s) redside.
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Originally Posted by Sir_Ralen
Badge changes? I know some missions you can run a lot easier now with the -1 change, I don't know what you mean by badge changes.
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I think you will still need to fit the medicine pool in with an /Elec. The recharge just isn't fast enough on Energize for PvP. Also, you should get powersink as well in case your rage and hasten crash at a bad time or you go up against a thermal.
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The +regen from Energize should keep you going as long as it's up even if you're not being actively healed, and a good Therm or Pain will keep you up even during that downtime. As for Power Sink - you need to hit two enemies to get any real benefit from it even when it's slotted up, which isn't a real likelihood in a PvP environment. I've seen maybe one or two heroside Therms on Justice so I don't think I'd worry about them too much.
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Originally Posted by Black_Mute
I think you will still need to fit the medicine pool in with an /Elec. The recharge just isn't fast enough on Energize for PvP. Also, you should get powersink as well in case your rage and hasten crash at a bad time or you go up against a thermal.
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So we can agree if he's solo, then he could use the medicine pool? Especially without tough to up his resists, I know my Fire/SS tank would own him with his current build.
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Originally Posted by macskull
The +regen from Energize should keep you going as long as it's up even if you're not being actively healed, and a good Therm or Pain will keep you up even during that downtime. As for Power Sink - you need to hit two enemies to get any real benefit from it even when it's slotted up, which isn't a real likelihood in a PvP environment. I've seen maybe one or two heroside Therms on Justice so I don't think I'd worry about them too much.
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I don't see how its "asinine" or "grieving" when you get attacked in a PvP zone. As soon as you enter the zone it gives you a warning that you will be attacked by other players. Personally I think its asinine to expect otherwise.
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Originally Posted by PumBumbler
You better know them pretty well. I've been attacked when running around by a group of people I thought were decent folk in pve and the channels, but they had no problems just spiking me repeatedly for the heck of it. Some would call it griefing since they got no rep for it and just decided to pick on me since I was solo, but you can always make a decision to just leave the zone.
Just be prepared to see some asinine behaviour from people simply because they can get away with it. |
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Yep, being attacked over a dozen times serially by the same group of people in a ten minute span is the epitome of expected and normal behaviour.
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Originally Posted by SmegHead
I don't see how its "asinine" or "grieving" when you get attacked in a PvP zone. As soon as you enter the zone it gives you a warning that you will be attacked by other players. Personally I think its asinine to expect otherwise.
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I would be all over you all the time if I knew i could take you down........just sayin
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Maybe you should try getting on a team and work together like they did. I know if my team sees a solo person in zone we spike them to death. It has nothing to do with grieving and everything to do with the fact that I'm in a PvP zone to PvP... go figure.
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Originally Posted by PumBumbler
Yep, being attacked over a dozen times serially by the same group of people in a ten minute span is the epitome of expected and normal behaviour.
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decent looking build,
i would take out the +movement and +movement/end from combat jumping and put them into stamina for the 5 slot bonus from performance shifter, or 4 slot it and keep a kismet in cj.
if you have the money to spare you could probably easily put some more -kb from karma into concealment and if youve got deeper pockets go for a couple more zephyrs in super jump and speed. slotting those powers for +movement is silly imo with supression and the prevalence of phasing when people really want to evade. the same can be said for slotting the 2 zephyrs other than the -kb piece on a build that doesnt specialize in positional defense, its useless unless you had alot to begin with.
powersink is probably completely useless now with energize up most of the time and a decent IO build. also, unless i missed some obscure patch note elec armor still has end drain resistance so thermals should not pose a threat at all.
im glad to see you took and slotted taunt, not enough melees do that. if they had any sense theyd put it on auto or alternate it with web envelope only occasionally tossing in a KoB or hurl etc.
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Originally Posted by Solo_One
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im glad to see you took and slotted taunt, not enough melees do that. if they had any sense theyd put it on auto or alternate it with web envelope only occasionally tossing in a KoB or hurl etc. |
Stop telling him to play like a nazi
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The build looks fairly fun to play, but watch out for a few things in RV. Since you don't have any ranged damage, smart heroes will lure you onto lower levels then web you, where they will be able to tee off on you without any danger of being hit. Second, you will have to be very careful of hostile mob aggro since you don't have a fast recharging heal or exceptional defense. It is difficult for you to 'reset the fight' by stepping back for a few seconds to heal and lose a debuff. Still, you should be tough enough, especially with buffs, to almost never die unless your team wipes or you're faced with nasty odds. With that build, if you die to any single hero in a zone you are playing it wrong. Finally, realize that unless things change soon, you will be primarily teamed, or at least aligned, with stalkers. In this situation, you won't be all that effective against an equal number of heroes unless they are noobs. If you are the only visible villain and there are 3+ heroes of balanced ATs that have half of a clue, get ready to hit phase and run. On the other hand, if you have a pain dom, therm, etc. on your team, get ready to farm noob scrappers and feel invincible.
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taunt really neuters ranged attacks, they might get 1-2 attacks off if he sees them coming. also, if you can catch the other teams healer with -range from a taunt or 2 your team doesnt even have to kill it until last.|
Originally Posted by Gerswin
Since you don't have any ranged damage, smart heroes will lure you onto lower levels then web you, where they will be able to tee off on you without any danger of being hit.
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elec wants to be on the ground anyway for the extra -kb, and its not like he has to worry about stalkers lining up AS with him on the ground, as a villain in a zone.
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Another nice thing about Elec, which helped make it a decent choice in Warburg before I13: even though DR cuts into your resistances, a Therm or Sonic will still add a respectable amount of +res with their shields, and you'll have relatively good energy resists which will help with all the EM and Elec Stalkers once GR comes out.
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Originally Posted by Solo_One
taunt really neuters ranged attacks, they might get 1-2 attacks off if he sees them coming. also, if you can catch the other teams healer with -range from a taunt or 2 your team doesnt even have to kill it until last.
elec wants to be on the ground anyway for the extra -kb, and its not like he has to worry about stalkers lining up AS with him on the ground, as a villain in a zone. |
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Originally Posted by SmokeSignal
Pretty sure I'm me. But I'll double check for you.
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Here is my freakish attempt at a PvP build for my ss/elec brute.
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Level 50 Magic Brute
Primary Power Set: Super Strength
Secondary Power Set: Electric Armor
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Concealment
Ancillary Pool: Mace Mastery
Villain Profile:
Level 1: Jab
- (A) HamiO:Nucleolus Exposure
- (23) HamiO:Nucleolus Exposure
- (23) Touch of Death - Chance of Damage(Negative)
Level 1: Charged Armor- (A) Titanium Coating - Resistance
- (3) Titanium Coating - Resistance/Endurance
- (3) Titanium Coating - Resistance/Endurance/Recharge
- (7) Steadfast Protection - Knockback Protection
Level 2: Haymaker- (A) Mako's Bite - Accuracy/Damage
- (9) Mako's Bite - Chance of Damage(Lethal)
- (9) Mako's Bite - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge
- (13) Mako's Bite - Accuracy/Endurance/Recharge
- (15) Touch of Death - Accuracy/Damage
- (15) Touch of Death - Chance of Damage(Negative)
Level 4: Conductive Shield- (A) Titanium Coating - Resistance
- (5) Titanium Coating - Resistance/Endurance
- (5) Titanium Coating - Resistance/Endurance/Recharge
- (7) Steadfast Protection - Knockback Protection
Level 6: Hasten- (A) Recharge Reduction IO
- (21) Recharge Reduction IO
- (42) Recharge Reduction IO
Level 8: Knockout Blow- (A) Mako's Bite - Accuracy/Damage
- (17) Mako's Bite - Accuracy/Endurance/Recharge
- (17) Mako's Bite - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge
- (19) Mako's Bite - Chance of Damage(Lethal)
- (19) Touch of Death - Accuracy/Damage
- (21) Touch of Death - Chance of Damage(Negative)
Level 10: Static Shield- (A) Titanium Coating - Resistance
- (11) Titanium Coating - Resistance/Endurance
- (11) Titanium Coating - Resistance/Endurance/Recharge
- (13) Steadfast Protection - Knockback Protection
Level 12: Swift- (A) Run Speed IO
Level 14: Health- (A) Numina's Convalescence - Heal
- (39) Numina's Convalescence - +Regeneration/+Recovery
- (40) Miracle - Heal
- (40) Miracle - +Recovery
- (40) Regenerative Tissue - +Regeneration
Level 16: Grounded- (A) Steadfast Protection - Knockback Protection
Level 18: Rage- (A) Adjusted Targeting - To Hit Buff
- (25) Adjusted Targeting - To Hit Buff/Recharge
- (25) Adjusted Targeting - To Hit Buff/Endurance/Recharge
- (31) Adjusted Targeting - Endurance/Recharge
- (42) Adjusted Targeting - To Hit Buff/Endurance
- (42) Adjusted Targeting - Recharge
Level 20: Stamina- (A) Performance Shifter - Chance for +End
- (31) Performance Shifter - EndMod
- (34) Endurance Modification IO
Level 22: Lightning Reflexes- (A) Run Speed IO
Level 24: Super Speed- (A) Run Speed IO
Level 26: Hurl- (A) Devastation - Accuracy/Damage
- (27) Devastation - Damage/Endurance
- (27) Devastation - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
- (29) Devastation - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge
- (29) Explosive Strike - Chance for Smashing Damage
- (31) Perfect Zinger - Chance for Psi Damage
Level 28: Energize- (A) Doctored Wounds - Heal/Endurance
- (34) Doctored Wounds - Endurance/Recharge
- (34) Doctored Wounds - Heal/Recharge
- (36) Doctored Wounds - Heal/Endurance/Recharge
- (36) Doctored Wounds - Heal
- (36) Doctored Wounds - Recharge
Level 30: Taunt- (A) Accuracy IO
- (37) Perfect Zinger - Taunt/Recharge
- (37) Perfect Zinger - Taunt/Recharge/Range
- (37) Perfect Zinger - Accuracy/Recharge
- (39) Perfect Zinger - Taunt/Range
- (39) Perfect Zinger - Taunt
Level 32: Combat Jumping- (A) Blessing of the Zephyr - Run Speed, Jump, Flight Speed, Range
- (33) Blessing of the Zephyr - Run Speed, Jump, Flight Speed, Range/Endurance
- (33) Blessing of the Zephyr - Knockback Reduction (4 points)
- (33) Karma - Knockback Protection
Level 35: Super Jump- (A) Jumping IO
Level 38: Stealth- (A) Endurance Reduction IO
Level 41: Grant Invisibility- (A) Recharge Reduction IO
Level 44: Web Envelope- (A) Trap of the Hunter - Accuracy/Recharge
- (45) Trap of the Hunter - Endurance/Immobilize
- (45) Trap of the Hunter - Accuracy/Endurance
- (45) Trap of the Hunter - Immobilize/Accuracy
- (46) Trap of the Hunter - Accuracy/Immobilize/Recharge
- (46) Trap of the Hunter - Chance of Damage(Lethal)
Level 47: Focused Accuracy- (A) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff
- (48) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff/Recharge
- (48) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff/Recharge/Endurance
- (48) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - Recharge/Endurance
- (50) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff/Endurance
- (50) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - Chance for Build Up
Level 49: Phase Shift- (A) Recharge Reduction IO
- (50) Recharge Reduction IO
------------Level 1: Brawl
- (A) Empty
Level 1: Sprint- (A) Celerity - +Stealth
Level 2: Rest- (A) Recharge Reduction IO
Level 1: Fury------------
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