Fly Poses as part of power customization

I dunno if this has been brought up anywhere, but why werent the fly poses part of i16? I understand that the OTHER travel powers may not have options yet, but these poses are done. Should have been simple enuff, no?

Also, i think this is a great opportunity for the devs to add some of the other types of flight (like those included in that OTHER superhero game), such as ice slide, fire, the Magneto style hover, or Sue Storms bubble/platform. Flight can = lots of fun customizations. Not so much the other travel powers...at least i dont think.

Can u guys come up with some other options?

Fly poses have been in the game for a few issues. Just type "/em flypose1" - 4.

Understood. But why would ALL of Pool Power customization have to be done just to release the parts that are already done (flight poses)? You could always just add other poses (see my examples above) when the next wave of customization is done.

I'm pretty sure there'll be alternative animations for the other travel powers too.
And I also think that travel powers might be the next ones ot get PC, as there are only 4 pools to work on.

I guess it would depend on how hard it would be to program, OR, the angle they were going with. It just seems like it would be easy enuff to open up a FLIGHT category (in the Power Customization screen), when someone has opened that pool - similar to how WEAPON opens up for an AT that accepts weapons customization.

I guess Im not following the difference between the regular powersets and pool sets (not APP/PPP). Why would they involve that much more work? And even if there IS alot of work CUSTOMIZING said power pools, why would adding the code to the customization screen be any different?

You want to over emphasize the difference between powers and weapons. Ok fine. But lets consider that the AT sets code should work similarly:

-If character has ice armor, add ice armor dropdowns.
-If character has flight, add flight dropdowns.

The only real difference with pools should be that theyre 'unlocked' later, but that really shouldnt be that big of an issue as you suggest.

(And also, if I recall correctly, there have been excel programming references made by the devs before. :P )

I do recall reading the Devs saying that the pools were a good bit more work than the standard powersets. Why that is? Who know? I suspect it has alot to do with the Pool Powers not being 'locked' to your Character at creation, becaused I don't see the basic hooking of animations and/or colors to specific pool powers to be inherently more difficult than for the basic powers. Could be, but I'm sure it's the fluid nature of the pools that's it.

How are they going to do it? One way would be to give each Character Editable access to all Potential Pool Powers they *could* get at creation time. That's only about 5 times the data you have to hook to each character haha. Or (most likely) you'll only be able to edit a pool upon first selecting it (and then after), and that will require extra tables/files keeping up with which pools you've selected.

When they say it's alot of work, I believe them...

I'm a non-gaming programmer, and I get amused or irritated (depending on my mood) every time a user thinks the 'behind code' is easy simply because they see only a couple of controls on an interface. I can't imagine what gaming code must be like *shivers*

Socorro, thnx for your input.

Are you suggesting that because the powers arent locked to you (ie you can respec out) that it may prove to be a problem? Thats an interesting angle. Im not sure how that would affect things. I would think that rather than have to tackle ALL the powers someone could get (which WOULD be 5x the work - and would have to be done eventually I suppose), why not just write in FLIGHT?

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Originally Posted by Lemur Lad Honestly though, I'd like you to look at this and tell me again how you think it would be pretty easy.

Thats a horredously bad example. Most of what he's referring to is getting to where we are now. Most of that is already done. In the FX case, there is no work left for flight poses ALSO already done.

But there IS remaining work in updating the editor to display pools you've picked. There IS remaining work to provide scripts for the other power pools. There IS work left to do to get the poses to display correctly in the editor.

It is more work then just adding a field or two in a spreadsheet and copy pasting.

Besides, the chances of them doing all that groundwork for Flight and not doing the work needed for the other pools, is slim.

No one is arguing that applying existing scripts/emotes to the next round of Power Customization would be cool. However it's disingenuous of you to try and minimize the amount of work it would take, and trying to convince people that half-measures are the way to go.

Short version: be patient for the next round, and don't make assumptions about how easy things would be.

Animations and FX are only one piece of the puzzle, there's also all the coding that has to go on to add support for the pools (and adding a hack to only support one pool then rewriting it will only slow everything down, and double the stabilization period). If they'd decided to also add the Flight pool, we may not have had Issue 16 for another 2 months... and then we'd have all the people complaining about how it's unfair that ONE pool power gets to be customized (when it already had some options already!) while none of the others do.

We've been saving Paragon City for eight and a half years. It's time to do it one more time.

A quick temp toggle in the options would be quite enough for me for the flypose until they get it done properly. Wouldn't be hard to do since the animations are already there.