I'm guessing you slotted this in a while ago? Currently, the +stealths can only be slotted into powers that take Universal Travel sets; ie, the travel powers. Sprint can't take that type of set any more.
Enhancements scale down to the level that you currently are; for example, if you exemp down to level 15 for Positron, your enhancements will scale down to DO levels.
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So all the enhancements in a power are active, just debuffed a bit? Also, if I can't slot stealth in sprint... oh man... I'm going to have to put stealth in fly instead. Looks like I have to find a loose slot somewhere |
Originally Posted by Satanic_Hamster
I'm guessing you slotted this in a while ago? Currently, the +stealths can only be slotted into powers that take Universal Travel sets; ie, the travel powers. Sprint can't take that type of set any more.
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However, does that mean that if I put the stealth power in the right power, it will be available at low levels again?
Actually its Swift that doesn't take the +stealth. I have slotted them in Sprint fairly recently.
Not sure why the IO isn't working for you while exemped. The procs are supposed to work if the power is available.
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Originally Posted by _Uun_
Actually its Swift that doesn't take the +stealth. I have slotted them in Sprint fairly recently.
Not sure why the IO isn't working for you while exemped. The procs are supposed to work if the power is available. |
Now that I think of it, it was working perfectly as a level 50 just yesterday. So I don't know what's going on, but the way I checked was by turning on sprint to see if I went translucent and nothing. Thinking that maybe the graphics were just too lousy on the laptop, I tried to sneak up on someone, but they saw me.
Maybe it's a bug?
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Really? I thought all the +stealths were in Universal Power sets.|
Originally Posted by _Uun_
Actually its Swift that doesn't take the +stealth. I have slotted them in Sprint fairly recently.
Not sure why the IO isn't working for you while exemped. The procs are supposed to work if the power is available. |
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I can't find any information on paragon wiki about stealth procs being limited to sets that take universal travel. They just say running and leaping which means swift should technically work too.
I would still like to get this resolved, but on a second related note, I noticed that globals (like defense or -kb) work at all levels, but not if you're exemped more than 3 levels below the enhancement EXCEPT for PVP. Does that mean that while in PvP zones, the globals always work or that ONLY PvP Specific globals are active at all times?
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From here:| So, e.g., if you slot a level 50 Run Stealth in Sprint (a level 1 power) and then exemplar down to level 15, you will still get the Stealth bonus when you turn on Sprint even though you're 35 levels lower than the level of that Special IO. |
http://wiki.cohtitan.com/wiki/Invent...e_enhancements
That means it SHOULD work. Maybe I should put in a bug report. But they don't answer those right? So should I put in a petition instead?
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1) The +Stealth IOs are not in the Universal Travel sets (Winter's Gift and Blessing of the Zephyr), but rather in individual travel sets (Celerity, Time & Space Manipulation, Unbounded Leap, and Freebird)|
Originally Posted by Satanic_Hamster
Really? I thought all the +stealths were in Universal Power sets.
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2) Sprint does accept Universal Travel sets.
http://www.fimfiction.net/story/36641/My-Little-Exalt
I believe the difference is that the Stealth IOs don't work in auto powers, which excludes Swift and Hurdle as well as Primary/Secondary auto powers that take Run/Fly IOs like Quickness and Lightning Reflexes.
I *think* if a power a) takes travel IOs, and b) is a toggle or a click power, you can slot the Stealth IOs. Which would explain why Sprint works and Swift does not.
(Waits for someone to come along with the inevitable counter-example.)
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But that aside, why won't it work for me when I'm exemped?
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Originally Posted by Finduilas
I believe the difference is that the Stealth IOs don't work in auto powers, which excludes Swift and Hurdle as well as Primary/Secondary auto powers that take Run/Fly IOs like Quickness and Lightning Reflexes.
I *think* if a power a) takes travel IOs, and b) is a toggle or a click power, you can slot the Stealth IOs. Which would explain why Sprint works and Swift does not. (Waits for someone to come along with the inevitable counter-example.) |
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Pretty sure that Sprint does not take Universal Travel sets, but it does take Running and Jumping sets.|
Originally Posted by Fleeting Whisper
1) The +Stealth IOs are not in the Universal Travel sets (Winter's Gift and Blessing of the Zephyr), but rather in individual travel sets (Celerity, Time & Space Manipulation, Unbounded Leap, and Freebird)
2) Sprint does accept Universal Travel sets. |
Swift and Hurdle do not accept any sets.
The +Stealth IO's should work at any level that the power is available, regardless of the level of the IO. Unsure why it's not working for you, as it does work for me.
Do you have a stealth power to stack with the IO? The stealth IO itself isn't enough to let you sneak up next to someone, you would have to stay at least 10' away to prevent them seeing you. To stand next to someone without being spotted you need to stack the IO with some stealth power.
If you only have the IO that's why you get spotted, but that would apply at all levels and exemping would have no effect. If you have a power to stack with it at what level do you lose that power? If you exemp below your stealth power you would lose the stacked stealth and the IO by itself would not be enough.
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Well, from what ParagonWiki says about "Proc120s", it *should* work-they even use an example that's very similar to your situation.|
Originally Posted by Jordan_Yen
But that aside, why won't it work for me when I'm exemped?
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However, it wouldn't be the first time that the player/Wiki understanding of how something works isn't quite right. Why don't you PM Castle and ask?
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Check the Stealth number in Combat attributes to see if it's just a graphics issue. (On the top of the power trays, click Powers, then at the top of that click Combat Attributes. You'll find stealth listed in the 'Base' section.)|
Originally Posted by Jordan_Yen
Now that I think of it, it was working perfectly as a level 50 just yesterday. So I don't know what's going on, but the way I checked was by turning on sprint to see if I went translucent and nothing. Thinking that maybe the graphics were just too lousy on the laptop, I tried to sneak up on someone, but they saw me.
Maybe it's a bug? |
Also, try zoning once. When I just exemplared in Ouroboros to test my TimeSpace Manipulation: Stealth enhancement the stealth didn't kick in until I zoned out of Ouroboros, but it did show up after zoning in the Combat Attributes and visually. (Edit: looks like stealth is suppressed in Ouroboros, even after zoning back in)
Of course, also make sure no difficulty settings are set in Flashback, like no travel / no Temp powers.
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All I can add to this is when my warshade exemps below level 8, the level 11 KB prot turns off. It is in Absorption which they get at level 1. But my level 33 Devastation: Chance to Hold always works as long as I have the power it is in.
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Originally Posted by Nights_Dawn
Do you have a stealth power to stack with the IO? The stealth IO itself isn't enough to let you sneak up next to someone, you would have to stay at least 10' away to prevent them seeing you. To stand next to someone without being spotted you need to stack the IO with some stealth power.
If you only have the IO that's why you get spotted, but that would apply at all levels and exemping would have no effect. If you have a power to stack with it at what level do you lose that power? If you exemp below your stealth power you would lose the stacked stealth and the IO by itself would not be enough. |
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WA HA HA HA! You got it! I forgot all about that! I was doing flashbacks with "Enhancements have no effect".|
Originally Posted by Katze
Check the Stealth number in Combat attributes to see if it's just a graphics issue. (On the top of the power trays, click Powers, then at the top of that click Combat Attributes. You'll find stealth listed in the 'Base' section.)
Also, try zoning once. When I just exemplared in Ouroboros to test my TimeSpace Manipulation: Stealth enhancement the stealth didn't kick in until I zoned out of Ouroboros, but it did show up after zoning in the Combat Attributes and visually. (Edit: looks like stealth is suppressed in Ouroboros, even after zoning back in) Of course, also make sure no difficulty settings are set in Flashback, like no travel / no Temp powers. |
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Though while I still have the floor, can anyone with a PvP global confirm that they "always work" in PvP or PvE or does that just apply to PvP? Also do ALL globals always work in PvP or just the PvP set ones?
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That's working as expected as the KB protection is considered a 'Global' (acts like a 'set bonus') type, while the Chance to Hold is a Proc. type.|
Originally Posted by SwellGuy
All I can add to this is when my warshade exemps below level 8, the level 11 KB prot turns off. It is in Absorption which they get at level 1. But my level 33 Devastation: Chance to Hold always works as long as I have the power it is in.
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There's a Wiki table that explains the different types of "Special IO's" and which ones work like globals [set bonuses], and which are Procs that work as long as the power they are in is usable.
Table of Special IOs
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Great news that it's not a bug, but rather the Flashback Challenge settings.
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It's more complicated than that. Your Exemplar level matters, but so does how far you drop. The farther you go, the more it hurts. And it's a sliding scale, not "DO strength at Level X, SO strength at X+1".
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Originally Posted by Satanic_Hamster
Enhancements scale down to the level that you currently are; for example, if you exemp down to level 15 for Positron, your enhancements will scale down to DO levels.
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The Wiki is correct with how Procs and Globals work. It's been tested. Anyone who claims it's not working as the Wiki says has either found a /bug or is confused and needs to provide a screenshot to back up their claim.
+Stealth Proc120s can *not* be placed in passive powers, otherwise they can't be shut off and you'll never be able to lead a hostage out of a mission. They *can* be placed in any of the Sprints. The slotting of +Stealth Proc120s has nothing to do with the slotting of Universal Travel Power sets.
Universal Travel Power sets can not be slotted in Sprints. This was purposely done so that the special IOs of those sets can't be stacked 5 high by placing multiple copies of them in the prestige sprints, or that multiple Special IOs from various Universal Travel Power sets can't be loaded in all those free and unused prestige Sprint slots.
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Originally Posted by Jordan_Yen
Though while I still have the floor, can anyone with a PvP global confirm that they "always work" in PvP or PvE or does that just apply to PvP? Also do ALL globals always work in PvP or just the PvP set ones?
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The Wiki page on the effects of exemplaring says
The Set Bonuses of Purple (Very Rare) Sets and PvP Sets are immune to the effects of exemplaring. However, the aspects of the power that they buff (e.g., Accuracy or Damage) are affected by exemplaring just like any other enhancement.But I have not tested that personally.
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Originally Posted by Corebreach
It's more complicated than that. Your Exemplar level matters, but so does how far you drop. The farther you go, the more it hurts. And it's a sliding scale, not "DO strength at Level X, SO strength at X+1".
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So, since my PB did a frankenslotting with primarily level 25 IOs in her level 30 and under powers, how hard would she be hit in effectiveness when she exemps? Higher level powers I went ahead and did higher level IOs in, since when she exemps down, those would not be available anyway.
Like, say she exemps down to 15 or 20? Will the level 25 IOs not be effected too badly, or will she get a big performance hit?
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It depends. There are certain thresholds where your enhancements aren't affected.|
Originally Posted by Willowpaw
So, since my PB did a frankenslotting with primarily level 25 IOs in her level 30 and under powers, how hard would she be hit in effectiveness when she exemps? Higher level powers I went ahead and did higher level IOs in, since when she exemps down, those would not be available anyway.
Like, say she exemps down to 15 or 20? Will the level 25 IOs not be effected too badly, or will she get a big performance hit? |
Your values NEVER scale, if you exemplar to level 35 or higher. Below that are two or three tiers (each based on your exemplared level), where, if the bonus is lower than a certain number, it won't scale. By using multi-aspect IOs, the INDIVIDUAL enhancements are lower, and that's what counts. By using triples up to level 43, or quads up to 50, you can exemplar all the way to 21 and not lose any enhancement, IIRC.
I'd post the wiki link that explains it all, but I'm at work, and my phone hates the wiki layout. Hopefully someone else can post it.
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Sprint doesn't accept the Universal Travel sets to prevent people from loading up Sprint and all 4 Prestige Sprints with Blessing of the Zephyr for huge defense bonuses|
Originally Posted by Dying_Breath
Pretty sure that Sprint does not take Universal Travel sets, but it does take Running and Jumping sets.
Swift and Hurdle do not accept any sets. The +Stealth IO's should work at any level that the power is available, regardless of the level of the IO. Unsure why it's not working for you, as it does work for me. |
I can't imagine why you would want to do that, since that's 10 slots you could have put somewhere better. But that's the reason.
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Originally Posted by Roderick
I'd post the wiki link that explains it all, but I'm at work, and my phone hates the wiki layout. Hopefully someone else can post it.
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All the guidance I can see says that as long as a power is active any proc IOs slotted in it will also be available. However, I have a lvl 50 stealth proc IO in my sprint power, but when I'm doing Ouroboros missions all the way up to 30 and down to 10, the stealth doesn't work.
Am I doing something wrong?
Also, when exemping, clearly your powers go, but do your enhancements that were slotted above that level become disabled as well? I ask because if I respec again, I want to do so by putting the most important enhancements for the power first in the slotting.