Chain of Lightning for Electricity?
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Broken Voltage,
Posted on: 2009-09-07 22:04 in Archetypes and Powers General Discussion
I'd really like a 3rd attack in electric but not at the cost of VS. i like my ball of plasma.
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Ammo switching for Dual Pistols was my idea:
http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=135484
Fine! I've always disliked Elec snipe.
What's left is to normalize all Assassin Strikes and improve Stalker's old sets (Claw, MA and EM)! You don't need to bring back the missing PbAoE attack. You just need to make the existing ones better! For example, make Slice a WIDER and LONGER cone.
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I was thinking about suggesting using this as a snipe replacement, too, but I think that might be out of the question. The chaining effect would make it pretty aggro-licious for pulling/opening, which might be a bit too close to Cottage Rule territory.
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Originally Posted by Jibikao
Fine! I've always disliked Elec snipe.
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Having Vengeance and Fallout slotted for recharge means never having to say you're sorry.
Give VS a second attack that has a small chain lightning effect. Problem solved?
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I just wish VS had a longer duration. Re-summoning him every 60s gets to be not worth it.
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I think this is the primary problem. I'd love to see elec blast given a tier 3 blast, but it's kinda hard to do so without breaking the Cottage Rule. There are only 2 powers could really be replaced/modified to make a tier 3 blast: Tesla Cage (increase the damage to make it an energy damage clone of BFR) and Zapp (turn into non-Snipe blast).|
Originally Posted by Kelenar
bit too close to Cottage Rule territory.
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Zapp isn't likely to get the change, if not because of Cottage Rule then because of the problem of taking away IO set categories. The problem with increasing Tesla Cage's damage is that it wouldn't really do much to fulfill the "tier 3 blast" role because the base recharge would probably be somewhere near 20 seconds, which isn't really fast enough to make it a reliable contributor to an attack string.
The biggest reason to doubt a Voltaic Sentinel change is the Cottage Rule though. You don't get much more cottage rule than turning a pet into an actual blast power.
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Originally Posted by IanTheM1
Give VS a second attack that has a small chain lightning effect. Problem solved?
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Maybe Chain of Lightning with 12-16s recharge? Fair enough!
My only beef with VS is that once you take set bonuses into consideration, it is a very poor 3-tier attack replacement. With set bonuses and buffs, you can get a much better performance with Bitter Ice Blast/Blaze/Shout because you can use it often and you can choose the target you want.
Does VS even do anything in PvP with so much kiting going on??
What's left is to normalize all Assassin Strikes and improve Stalker's old sets (Claw, MA and EM)! You don't need to bring back the missing PbAoE attack. You just need to make the existing ones better! For example, make Slice a WIDER and LONGER cone.
I wouldn't mind telsa getting the cosmic burst treatment.
And yes a chaince of chain lightning on VS (and Lightning storm too) would be a very nice addition to those powers since Castle bent them over and defiled them a couple issues ago
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What makes you think the base recharge would need to be increased that much? Will the blaster version of Cosmic Burst have it's recharge increased over the defender version?
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Originally Posted by Umbral
The problem with increasing Tesla Cage's damage is that it wouldn't really do much to fulfill the "tier 3 blast" role because the base recharge would probably be somewhere near 20 seconds, which isn't really fast enough to make it a reliable contributor to an attack string.
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Increasing damage increases recharge as according to the damage formula, which, while not followed explicitly, is generally followed rather closely. Increasing the damage it deals while ignoring the recharge cost at the very least (endurance would definitely get increased a bit) would make the power more powerful than it should be (as according to "normal" balance considerations).|
Originally Posted by JohnnyKilowatt
What makes you think the base recharge would need to be increased that much? Will the blaster version of Cosmic Burst have it's recharge increased over the defender version?
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As to finding Cosmic Burst and Tesla Cage to be equitable, that's a question as to whether the damage increased Tesla Cage would be considered more akin to Bitter Freeze Ray (as I was assuming) or Cosmic Burst (as you are). I'd be more confident in a BFR style overhaul rather than a Cosmic Burst style simply because BFR and Tesla Cage are both holds whereas Cosmic Burst is a stun (which generally gets less "value" where balance is concerned).
Either way unless something is done to the set, I will continue to not play it, and it's very sad cause lightning is my favorite element.... :/ In fact it cause the gfx on all lightning powers that just look not quite right.... It's the details in light that keep me at my distance... Maybe one day I'll just except it and play it, but not happening any time soon...
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Originally Posted by Novawulfe
Either way unless something is done to the set, I will continue to not play it, and it's very sad cause lightning is my favorite element.... :/ In fact it cause the gfx on all lightning powers that just look not quite right.... It's the details in light that keep me at my distance... Maybe one day I'll just except it and play it, but not happening any time soon...
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I think adding Chain of Lightning to VS (or Lightning Storm?) is probably the easiest "fix" or "buff" for Electricity Blast sets in general because the dev won't change any power from any set no matter how bad that power is "perceived" (EX: Dimension Shift!).
I mean I would vote to get rid of Electricity Snipe but some may like it. I like the single hold (it's bit on the slow activation time).
Or maybe they can add Chain of Lightning effect to certain powers like Tesla Cage or Zap?
What's left is to normalize all Assassin Strikes and improve Stalker's old sets (Claw, MA and EM)! You don't need to bring back the missing PbAoE attack. You just need to make the existing ones better! For example, make Slice a WIDER and LONGER cone.
All they have to do is give VS a 240 second duration and it'll suddenly become a much more usuable power.
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Originally Posted by Jibikao
I mean I would vote to get rid of Electricity Snipe but some may like it. |
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| Or maybe they can add Chain of Lightning effect to certain powers like Tesla Cage or Zap? |
I'd happily ditch VS for pretty much any additional attack, whether or not it had special secondary effects. Out of four characters with VS as an option (an Elec/ Blaster, /Elec Defender, Elec/ Corruptor and /Elec Dominator), only one selected VS... and then only on the secondary build that I haven't bothered to switch over to in months. The rest played around with it on the test server, but decided not to bother in their live builds.
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Voltaic Sentinel looks ugly too. Needs more pretty.
quick edit: and strong!
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One thing to remember about Voltaic Sentinel is that it cannot be targeted by enemies. Anything it aggros will retaliate in your direction. Not sure if that effects your desire for how much AoE love it's spreading around.|
Originally Posted by IanTheM1
Give VS a second attack that has a small chain lightning effect. Problem solved?
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Although if boosting Sparkey is the way to go, consider adding Lightning Field. Now that would be pretty.
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Oddly enough, VS has a power called Electrical Field, and the description of it implies a damage aura effect, but it doesn't actually have one.
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Originally Posted by JohnnyKilowatt
One thing to remember about Voltaic Sentinel is that it cannot be targeted by enemies. Anything it aggros will retaliate in your direction. Not sure if that effects your desire for how much AoE love it's spreading around.
Although if boosting Sparkey is the way to go, consider adding Lightning Field. Now that would be pretty. |
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If you had the choice to change VS in Electricity Blast to Chain of Lightning (basically Chain Induction at long range), would you? Theme wise, I think it fits.
Don't get me wrong, I actually kinda like VS (ugh, why do they have to nerf Pet Recharge!).
I was just thinking about it after reading that the dev have fixed the proc bug with CI.
I figure the dev have finally perfected this type of power so it is not completely impossible to imagine Chain of Lightning in this game?
Maybe on a 6s recharge damage scale with 12-15 recharge rate and the chance of jump is the same as 75%, 50% and 25. Chain of Lightning will benefit from Aim.
What's left is to normalize all Assassin Strikes and improve Stalker's old sets (Claw, MA and EM)! You don't need to bring back the missing PbAoE attack. You just need to make the existing ones better! For example, make Slice a WIDER and LONGER cone.