Super Reflexes Disected (y'know that wierd little res boost thing)

Hey everyone

A while back i had a search for a guide or something which gave the resisitance boost numbers for the super reflexes auto powers. I didn't find anything that had any kind of statistics stuff in it so i thought i would make my own.

Unfortunately i only have a lvl 4 /SR scrapper so i made do with only having access to one of the powers and at a quite low level.

Each jump is representative of a jump's worth of base resistance, whcich is an increase in 5.07% total health each time. I used this to work out that for ever 1% loss in health below 60% gives a 0.33% increase in resistance. This means that in total with a 3 special auto powers and Hp at 1% or less (a.k.a 1 Hp) the user would have about 60% res to all damages. At 30% (half way) the user would have about 10% res from each so would have about 30% res.

HP% - w/1 - w/all
0% - 20% - 60%
15% - 15% - 45%
30% - 10% - 30% (The Adverage from a tank Toggle power)
45% - 5% - 15% (The adverage from non melee At's toggle powers)
60% - 0% - 0%

These numbers arn't that big, but they do make a difference, whilst fighting a SR critter in Architect i could see the damage i was doing weakening and could see the 1/3 loss from the bonus quite easily, so in the long term, or in large fights this extra res is pretty sweet for something you get completely free =)

Hope this helps all you SR scrappers out there =D

if it hasn't been done before that is =P

Ps: I'm right in thinking SR has already been like super nerfed so much so that its perfect (in a dev friendly way) right =D

You mean a buff? The problem is, that you do need all the powers in SR to be worth it, save for maybe elude if you are grabbing both tough/weave which i never think NEED to be considered for a scrapper secondary to be justified.

The biggest problem i've always had, was that the aoe defense comes WAY too late. They've been needing to incorporate the aoe defense into the melee and ranged defense powers. Move Evasion into focused fighting and focused senses as "melee aoe" and "ranged aoe". And then move lucky's defenses into agile/dodge the same way as melee aoe and ranged aoe.

Then, Originally before willpower was ever an inkling of thought i suggested the literally EXACT power of high pain tolerance in place of lucky's level 28 power choice. AS you are losing the scaling resistances of lucky, it would even out by granting the resistance and hp buff of high pain tolerance, which would start working at 100% health, which is where SR really gets hurt, the passive resistances come in to play when its far too late IMO.

Then at level 35 i suggested basically World of Confusion, only without the damage, and used solely as a confuse power.

The way this would be implemented is because you are dodging so much, the enemy's attack misses you, and they end up hitting another nearby enemy with the attack that missed you.

This still IMHO is a perfect fix, as it lets you get the aoe defense sooner, without increasing defense values at all, with HPT (would have to be named something else for SR of course) it would grant some resistance and HP boost that would work starting at 100%, instead of when you are almost dead before you even notice it at all, and with the confuse aura at level 35, FINALLY would grant SR a power that's skippable, though would be cool to have as well.

This addresses the main issues with SR while keeping its performance generally the same, only more rounded out and less of a pain to level having to wait so long to get rid of such a huge gap in the defenses.

It would also finally grant a slottable resist power in which to put the steadfast IO without being forced to take tough which is a big issue IMO

Actually, the fact that they're split up doesn't seem to be a problem.

It's the levels you get the AOE toggle that's the problem. Brutes have fixed this.

/SR should replace Lucky and Evasion, imo anyways. Get the toggle Defense before the passive.

Arcanaville's equation from way back in the day:

DR = ((60-HP%)*#of passives)/3

All three passives and 45% health:
15 = ((60-45)*3/3

1 passive and 30% health:
10 = ((60-30)*1/3

2 passives and 27% health
22 = ((60-27)*2/3

1: If you want a set that's like SR but doesn't force you to take as many powers, get Ninjitsu or wait for it to be ported over.

2: SR passive scaling DR kicks in at 60% health. Not 10%.

3: Yes, I would like to see the brute SR power order cycled back to scrappers and while we're at it have brute sr evasion's taunt aura added to scrapper sr evasion.

4: Other than #3s change, I don't see any changes to SR being necessary at all. Adding an HPT like power to the set would make it grossly overpowered on brutes and scrappers alike.

Have a couple of semi-related questions, assuming I am going to take all other SR powers:

1. Am I better off taking the three passives from SR over boxing/tough/weave?
2. Can I hit the soft-cap without dipping into the fighting pool?

Would like to try and avoid taking fighting pool if I can help it, but if I'm going to IO out this toon I want to hit the soft-cap.

Yes, it is understood that the PSDR doesn't kick in until 60%, so using the equation for anything over that is indeed stupid.

In short, SR is a 'late blooming' build. For much of the game it's rather sub-par, but all the powers come together to become a great set.

There's a reason it's considered to have good synergy with Broad Sword and Katana for levelling, because of Parry/Divine Avalanche. The fact that it's a redraw-light set with +recharge to help BS's big heavy attacks is icing on the cake. OF DEATH.

[QUOTE=BrandX;2215069]I really see nothing wrong with a set that has every power being must takes.

Look at the sets where people skip certain powers. Those are the powers people are asking to be buffed.

Countless AVs soloed with /SR builds. I can't think it's because it's a lousy set.

I have my own at 50. I see nothing wrong with the set, and like has been mentioned, it does have one power that can be skipped, if you build to softcap, and softcapping isn't hard on a /SR scrapper.QUOTE]

I'm sorry, but i don't see dropping one power, suitable when you need to pick up 3 other powers for tough/weave to do so, that kinda defeats the purpose...

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Originally Posted by BrandX I really see nothing wrong with a set that has every power being must takes. Look at the sets where people skip certain powers. Those are the powers people are asking to be buffed. Countless AVs soloed with /SR builds. I can't think it's because it's a lousy set. I have my own at 50. I see nothing wrong with the set, and like has been mentioned, it does have one power that can be skipped, if you build to softcap, and softcapping isn't hard on a /SR scrapper.QUOTE] I'm sorry, but i don't see dropping one power, suitable when you need to pick up 3 other powers for tough/weave to do so, that kinda defeats the purpose...

You don't "NEED" to pick up fighting to soft cap. It just makes it cheaper and gives you some res up front that you otherwise wouldn't have. I hate taking fighting pool (because of boxing/kick) so I always look for other ways around to get what I want. At times, there is no other way. Soft capping a def base set like /SR isn't one of those times.